Brey to Stay at ND

[NDinL.A.]

Sorry Rhode, but I disagree here too. The main thing being, you said ND has unlimited resources but that simply isn't true. Or to be more precise, ND doesn't use it's resources towards basketball. Look at the facilities (crap), look at the assistant coaches' pay (low), not a great recruiting base, and look at how difficult it is to get elite basketball players from around the country with good grades who want to come to South Bend, Indiana to play second fiddle to football. This isn't Ohio St where you can get borderline kids easily through the door, and this isn't Butler where basketball is king and facilities are great (and they just so happen to have one of the top coaches in the country who happens to be a Hoosier boy, and the only job he is EVER leaving Butler for is Indiana).

Maryland is a much easier school to recruit to, it has a history, it is the favorite program of the school, fertile recruiting base, good pay. I love ND with all my heart but it is NOT easy to win at ND, and I'm not even a Brey fan but the guy has done a remarkable job all things considered (I cannot believe I'm saying that).

 

[Rhode Irish]

OK, apparently I am alone on this. All I will say is that I think this might be a little case of "grass is greener" on the part of Irish basketball fans. I'm not a ND alum and I really only follow the football program, which I have rooted for since I was a little kid. I am not an Irish basketball fan, but I follow college hoops as much as football, if not more. And from the outside looking in Notre Dame's program looks to be in better shape than Maryland's. The glory years of Juan Dixon, Steve Francis, Joe Smith, all the way back to Len Bias, appear to be over. A lot of that is tied to the decline of the ACC and the rise of Big East, which Notre Dame has competed in very well. As far as my comment about ND's unlimited resources, that may have been a faulty assumption on my part, because like I said I don't follow ND basketball super-closely, but the school certainly has the wherewithal to support the basketball program at a high level.

The more I think about it, the more I can see why Brey (and apparently everyone on this board) would consider going to Maryland. If he can convince guys like Durant to stay home and play at Maryland, the upside is probably much better at Maryland than ND, but I also think ND is a safer proposition at this point. If the ACC further declines and he has trouble recruiting that could turn into a dead end job.

 

[Woneone]

OK, apparently I am alone on this. All I will say is that I think this might be a little case of "grass is greener" on the part of Irish basketball fans. I'm not a ND alum and I really only follow the football program, which I have rooted for since I was a little kid. I am not an Irish basketball fan, but I follow college hoops as much as football, if not more. And from the outside looking in Notre Dame's program looks to be in better shape than Maryland's. The glory years of Juan Dixon, Steve Francis, Joe Smith, all the way back to Len Bias, appear to be over. A lot of that is tied to the decline of the ACC and the rise of Big East, which Notre Dame has competed in very well. As far as my comment about ND's unlimited resources, that may have been a faulty assumption on my part, because like I said I don't follow ND basketball super-closely, but the school certainly has the wherewithal to support the basketball program at a high level.

The more I think about it, the more I can see why Brey (and apparently everyone on this board) would consider going to Maryland. If he can convince guys like Durant to stay home and play at Maryland, the upside is probably much better at Maryland than ND, but I also think ND is a safer proposition at this point. If the ACC further declines and he has trouble recruiting that could turn into a dead end job.

I agree, there are some grey areas, and some of it, at least at first glance, may look like a horizontal move, but...

I think you're over-stating the decline of Maryland basketball. Yea, it's been a bit worse in the last few years with regards to production in the NCAA tournament, but just last year they were co-ACC regular season champions.

Also, consider, since 2002 (a year after Maryland won the National championship), and during the "decline" of Maryland basketball, they have been to the NCAA tourny 2nd round 5 times.

Notre Dame? 4.

I'm in no way disputing the idea that it could be percieved as a horizontal move, but personally, I just think Maryland is a better basketball school, with a better outlook on recruiting (in regards to both who you can recruit and where you already have a built-in pipeline).

I don't fault someone for providing the arguments you provided, as I agree with most of them. But, if tomorrow, Brey announces he's leaving, I won't be shocked, and I'll understand why.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Brey would have to weigh the risks and rewards of going to Maryland.

At Maryland he would likely have an opportunity at greater rewards. However, he would be taking on much greater risk as well. If he were to have a couple of mediocre seasons back to back, he would likely be fired. Following a legend like Gary Williams, certainly wouldn't help. If the same were to happen at ND, nothing would happen. He definitely would have a longer leash at ND.

Some people would look at the Maryland opportunity and say the potential for rewards outweigh the risks while others would not.

 

[rtrn2glory]

haven't read the whole thread, but i'm not sure if/how maryland would be a step up from ND at this point. yes they're in the ACC, but recently that hasn't held as much weight as it used to. if he goes for the money that's because ND didn't throw a few more chips in the pile to keep em, which would tell me they did not want to keep him and i don't think that is the case.

 

[NDinL.A.]

haven't read the whole thread, but i'm not sure if/how maryland would be a step up from ND at this point. yes they're in the ACC, but recently that hasn't held as much weight as it used to. if he goes for the money that's because ND didn't throw a few more chips in the pile to keep em, which would tell me they did not want to keep him and i don't think that is the case.

You should read the whole thread.

 

[Kingbish01]

Sources said there is mutual interest between Maryland and Brey, who has deep roots in the area. One source close to the Maryland athletic department and to Brey said Brey wants the Maryland job.

Maryland already has reached out to representatives for Brey, the Chicago Tribune reported Thursday afternoon, and Brey has a contract extension in the works to remain with the Irish, a source told the newspaper.

Brey, this past season’s Big East coach of the year, has a 238-120 record in 11 seasons at Notre Dame. But Brey has made just one round-of-16 appearance (2003) during his tenure, and the Fighting Irish were upset by Florida State in the second round of this year’s tournament.

Born in Bethesda, Brey graduated from DeMatha and George Washington, and later returned to the area as an assistant for five seasons under Morgan Wootten.

 

[Rhode Irish]

OK, having had a night to sleep on it and get the tequila out of my system, I am going to admit that I may have been wrong on this. I'm still not convinced that Maryland is so much better of a job than Notre Dame that I would leave ND for Maryland, based on some factors that I mentioned last night (no need to revisit all of it).

But, I will say that my opinion that ND was a better job than Maryland was probably based on giving too much weight to (1) recent results, and (2) the strength of the respective conferences. I definitely stand by my belief that the ACC is in decline and that the Big East is clearly the #1 bball conference, and it isn't close. However, I think in my mind Maryland was a middle-tier program in the ACC and ND was in an equivalent position in the Big East, and that is where I gave too much weight to this past season, which was fresh in my mind. I also didn't give enough weight to the locations of the two schools with respect to recruiting bases.

It is tough for me to admit that I was wrong, but in this case I feel comfortable saying the Maryland job is probably better than the ND job. Still think Brey is in a good spot at ND and would be taking a risk by going to Maryland, but I could definitely understand why he would. I could envision a scenario in which he wins a national championship at Maryland if everything goes right, and it is much harder to see that happening at ND.

 

[IrishLax]

Sources said there is mutual interest between Maryland and Brey, who has deep roots in the area. One source close to the Maryland athletic department and to Brey said Brey wants the Maryland job.

Maryland already has reached out to representatives for Brey, the Chicago Tribune reported Thursday afternoon, and Brey has a contract extension in the works to remain with the Irish, a source told the newspaper.

Brey, this past season’s Big East coach of the year, has a 238-120 record in 11 seasons at Notre Dame. But Brey has made just one round-of-16 appearance (2003) during his tenure, and the Fighting Irish were upset by Florida State in the second round of this year’s tournament.

Born in Bethesda, Brey graduated from DeMatha and George Washington, and later returned to the area as an assistant for five seasons under Morgan Wootten.

I've got a source who knows Brey extremely well and says unequivocally that if Notre Dame gives him the contract he is looking for that he is staying in south Bend. So the ball is in our court.

If we don't, which is very possible considering the mixed bag of feelings some have with Mike Brey, he won't hesitate to take the job at Maryland.

 

[rtrn2glory]

You should read the whole thread.

no thanks....

espn is reporting right now that nd and brey are working on an extension...he's not going anywhere.

 

[hrc08]

His name is Brad Stevens. He lives down the block from me. He will leave Butler University in a casket. That is all.

Riiiight....

Let Wake Forest or UConn or UCLA offer him 3 million a year(not to mention all of the "perks" that Butler could never offer) and watch him skip out!

 

[rtrn2glory]

man after watching the espn special on butler and the tour he gave of their facilities i would be out of there in a heartbeat as well...they better get some alumni to start accumulating some funds for the basketball team or they're going to lose him for sure...i'm not saying tear down hinkle, but serioulsy give him something to brag about.

 

[IrishLax]

no thanks....

espn is reporting right now that nd and brey are working on an extension...he's not going anywhere.

Ummm... working on is not the same thing as "has signed an extension." Signs point to him staying but it is HARDLY a done deal.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Ummm... working on is not the same thing as "has signed an extension." Signs point to him staying but it is HARDLY a done deal.

making a prediction dude...he's not going anywhere.

 

[IrishLax]

making a prediction dude...he's not going anywhere.

ah then I agree with you prediction... seemed more like a statement at first read.

 

[irishfan]

I want him to stay. I think the ND job is a great one. From an unbiased point of view, however, this reminds me completely of Tom O'Brien leaving BC football to coach at NC State. A fairly horizontal move in terms of team success, but NC State could offer way more to O'Brien than BC ever could in terms of recruiting/money/overall team popularity.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i agree with the take that it could be a more appealing job...he will always be the 2nd tier to the football team at ND similar to Ohio St, Michigan, Oklahoma, and the other big time programs.

 

[NDinL.A.]

no thanks....

espn is reporting right now that nd and brey are working on an extension...he's not going anywhere.

Well dude, think about. You don't want to read the thread, but then you wonder "if/how maryland would be a step up from ND at this point". Well, lots of people already answered that. Just take a minute to read it, and then if you have a rebuttal, have at it. But your post was asked and answered by plenty of people before you. That's all I'm saying...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Great BBall chat and all that.

But...

Funny that Rhode mentions Cinco de Mayo. Seems it is more celebrated in the U.S. than in Mexico. Cinco de Mayo was a local battle in Puebla Mexico where a small band of locals defeated the French, and Napolean III. This defeat of the French actually is said to have helped the North defeat the Confederates in the U.S. civil war, since Napolean wanted to help the South win.

Mexico's actual Independence Day is against Spain, 200 years ago last year on the 16 de Septiembre.. It started with "El Grito de Dolores" by a Mexican Roman Catholic priest, FR. Hidalgo, calling the citizens to battle. Mexico city (Distrito Federal) was called Tenochtitlan by the Aztecs.

Yep, I have spare time today...

Teotihuacan is an amazing place to visit, near Tenochtitlan (Mexico D.F.) The Avenue of the Dead, the Pyramid of the Sun, Pyramid of the Moon, Pyramid of the Serpent, etc... Fascinating place to visit.

But yeah, basketball, and Coach Brey and ND and Maryland...

 

[phork]

Maryland can have him. Time to find a finisher if you ask me.

 

[IrishLax]

Maryland can have him. Time to find a finisher if you ask me.

^this kind of sentiment is exactly why there is a chance that Maryland gets him. There is a large contingent of ND fans that, despite Notre Dame's improvement under Brey/regular season success, think that he should be able to go out and recruit better/have his teams perform better in March. This may dissuade Notre Dame from offering him the type of extension he is looking for... and if that happens he will hop to Maryland without thinking twice.

 

[eNDzone]

What about the rumours that he is being forced to resign ?

 

[IrishLax]

What about the rumours that he is being forced to resign ?

Seriously? You believed any of that? Wow.

 

[mick2]

Maryland can have him. Time to find a finisher if you ask me.

ha good thing nobody is asking you.

 

[Irish2015]

Notre Dame men's basketball: Athletic Director Swarbrick sure Brey will stay - southbendtribune.com

Looks like Swarbrick thinks he's staying.

 

[phork]

ha good thing nobody is asking you.

Think the OP was asking everyone...

 

[KPENN]

Rumor is Sean Miller of Arizona is meeting with Maryland on Saturday

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

Rumor is Sean Miller of Arizona is meeting with Maryland on Saturday

Wow, I'm surprised! He has turned them around in his short time...can't believe he'd make a move from zona to Maryland...should we start that debate lol! Suppose the acc has more prestige, but isn't easier to win in the pac 10?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

OK, having had a night to sleep on it and get the tequila out of my system, I am going to admit that I may have been wrong on this. ..

Nah. You created a good discussion.

But do you celebrate the 16 de Septiembre as much as you do the Cinco de Mayo?

lol

 

[KPENN]

Sounds like Sean Miller is going to take the Maryland job.

A little off topic, but lol at MooU