Brey to Stay at ND

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Long time Maryland Basketball Coach Gary Williams stepped down today and ESPN's Andy Katz listed Mike Brey as one of the prime candidates to take the job. Does anyone see this happening?
 
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If the money's right.


I think Brey is at his ceiling.
 
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Brey has ties to this area. Got his start under a local high school legend. Without writing a novel, I'll suffice to say that I could totally see this happening.
 

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If Brey was to leave, who are some realistic candidates that we could possibly get to replace him? Could we get the Butler Coach maybe??? Any other ideas. Just curious who we could potentially get.
 

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If Brey was to leave, who are some realistic candidates that we could possibly get to replace him? Could we get the Butler Coach maybe??? Any other ideas. Just curious who we could potentially get.

His name is Brad Stevens. He lives down the block from me. He will leave Butler University in a casket. That is all.
 

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Maybe Shaka Smart will take the job. I dont know his contract situation but Virginia is a hop, skip and a jump away from MD.

But if Brey left, the Brad Stevens comment above is pretty interesting. Would be cool to see but I think that 2nd National Championship Run keeps him at Butler for a long while.

What are Butler's academics like?
 

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Maybe Shaka Smart will take the job. I dont know his contract situation but Virginia is a hop, skip and a jump away from MD.

But if Brey left, the Brad Stevens comment above is pretty interesting. Would be cool to see but I think that 2nd National Championship Run keeps him at Butler for a long while.

What are Butler's academics like?

Butler's academics are great
 

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Maybe Shaka Smart will take the job. I dont know his contract situation but Virginia is a hop, skip and a jump away from MD.

But if Brey left, the Brad Stevens comment above is pretty interesting. Would be cool to see but I think that 2nd National Championship Run keeps him at Butler for a long while.

What are Butler's academics like?

Shaka would absolutely kill it recruiting in the DC/Baltimore area too.
 

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So GreatDayne I have to ask the question after hearing about you and your relation to Stevens...is that you in the pic!? -haha In all honestly tho, can't say I'd be heart broken to see Brey leave. I agree with Loomis in that he is near his ceiling...I wouldn't mind some fresh blood coming in a giving the program a little shake-up. I also agree it won't be Stevens, I'm sure he's had the world offered to him by all the huge schools in need of a change...can't see him coming to ND. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Smart also sign a contract extension recently and state he was staying?!

How bout some other names, anyone got a good one in mind?
Here are a few I thought of: Chris Mack at Xavier, Scott Drew Baylor(is he clean in eye of NCAA right now?), Greg Kampe Oakland(know him personally, great guy...would be my pick!) Mark Few Gonzaga (seems like their luster has worn a bit, maybe time for a change?) Sean Miller Arizona (new at AZ, doing well...probably long shot). Steve Wojciechowski - Duke Asst. Joe Dooley - Kansas Asst.

Really like Izzo's assistant that just went to Northern Illinois: Mark Montgomery, I think will be great before its all said and done. Too bad we would have just missed out on him.
 

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Shaka would absolutely kill it recruiting in the DC/Baltimore area too.

On April 4, 2011, Smart agreed to an 8-year contract extension with the VCU Rams, increasing his base pay from $350,000 to $1.2 million per year, prior to any performance bonuses. Answer to my question as well...
 

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A lot of conflicting info out there right now:

tnoie Thomas R. Noie
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Morgan Wootten on MIke Brey - He loves #NotreDame but he is a Maryland guy. It is home."

tnoie Thomas R. Noie
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Source on Maryland's interest in Mike Brey - on scale of 1 to 10, it's a 10. Feeling mutual? Have to stake out Churchill Downs to find out.

ChiTribHamilton Brian Hamilton
BREAKING: #Maryland contacts Mike Brey rep about BB gig, but Brey has #NotreDame extension in works, source tells Trib. Brey eyeing ND extension despite Maryland opening - Chicago Breaking Sports
 

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ChiTribHamilton Brian Hamilton
DeMatha coach & Mike Brey mentor Morgan Wootten: "As long as #NotreDame is really taking good care of him... all should be well." #Maryland
 

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The Maryland job is not as good as the Notre Dame job, all things being equal. But he is from there, so who knows.

Brad Stevens would leave Butler, but not for Notre Dame. I think he would take one of the Big-5 jobs, should one become available (UNC, Kentucky, UCLA, Duke or Kansas). I also think he would have to consider the Indiana job. But Notre Dame is not on that level as a basketball job.

Disclaimer: I am not really a ND basketball fan. I don't root against them, but my opinion that Maryland isn't as good of a job as Notre Dame at this point is not because I'm a ND fanatic. I just think Maryland is a middle-tier program in the ACC, and the ACC is probably the 5th best basketball conference now. I'd rather be in at a good Big East program than a middling ACC program.
 

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For once in my life... I have a "source." And my source thinks he's staying at ND as long as he gets the extension he's looking for. If not, it's an easy choice for him to come back to the area. Less because of the University of Maryland and more because the greater DC area just kicks the crap out of South Bend.

Also, take whatever Coach Wootten says as cannon... the man is an absolute legend who has launched many a coach's career. Just a great human being.
 

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The Maryland job is not as good as the Notre Dame job, all things being equal. But he is from there, so who knows.

Brad Stevens would leave Butler, but not for Notre Dame. I think he would take one of the Big-5 jobs, should one become available (UNC, Kentucky, UCLA, Duke or Kansas). I also think he would have to consider the Indiana job. But Notre Dame is not on that level as a basketball job.

Disclaimer: I am not really a ND basketball fan. I don't root against them, but my opinion that Maryland isn't as good of a job as Notre Dame at this point is not because I'm a ND fanatic. I just think Maryland is a middle-tier program in the ACC, and the ACC is probably the 5th best basketball conference now. I'd rather be in at a good Big East program than a middling ACC program.

I have to completely disagree.

If you look directly at the comparison between just the jobs, ND Basketball Coach vs. Maryland basketball coach, the Maryland position is a much better situation.

For one, just look at the recruiting ranks of the players brought in. Gary Williams was notorious (by Maryland fans) for being a poor recruiter, yet looking at the players brought in, he still was still ahead of most players we brought in (according to most recruiting sites). Like it or not, basketball recruiting is TOTALLY different from football, where the elite of the elite look for ways OUT of college in one year, and not a second past. Notre Dame is never going to be that place, but Maryland could be.

To win at Notre Dame, as much as most fans dislike hearing, you're going to need the perfect storm of upperclassmen. Face it, 1 and done players aren't coming to South Bend. But at Maryland? You can get those one and done guys, the types that Mike Brey has never had the ability (read: Oppertunity) to recruit.

Couple that with the idea that Maryland is a "Basketball first" school that, on the outside, will let you slide as long as you're respectable, and it seems like a win-win. Place 3rd in the ACC with a respectable showing in the conference tourny and a win or two in the big dance, it's a winner. In South Bend, put together a top 25 season with a group no one expected much from, finish the regular season in the Top 10, and have your job get called into question.

As Mike Brey looking at it, you're program is now second fiddle to no one at Maryland, you can recruit a new breed of player that you couldn't at Notre Dame, yet it doesn't seem like the fan base is near as punishing as the one in South Bend. Plus, with his personal ties, I wouldn't be shocked in the least to see him go.

And if that happens, I'll predict it now, ND fans will WISH, for the next 5-6 years, the Brey was still the coach. As much belly-aching that goes on, in today's basketball climate, he does one hell of a job.

Of course, I've had quite a few "Cinco De Mayo" drinks, so I could be wrong.
 

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Maryland is just another mid-Atlantic state university. It is in a good recruiting area, but they are not at the top of the pecking order in terms of getting that talent. I don't think Maryland is a great job. It is certainly a good job, but it isn't a job I would leave a school like ND for. Notre Dame is a mid-level Big East job with unlimited resources. Maryland is a mid-level ACC job with moderate resources for a state school. If I were the coach at Notre Dame, I wouldn't leave for the Maryland job. Then again, I'm not from Maryland.
 

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Maryland is just another mid-Atlantic state university. It is in a good recruiting area, but they are not at the top of the pecking order in terms of getting that talent. I don't think Maryland is a great job. It is certainly a good job, but it isn't a job I would leave a school like ND for. Notre Dame is a mid-level Big East job with unlimited resources. Maryland is a mid-level ACC job with moderate resources for a state school. If I were the coach at Notre Dame, I wouldn't leave for the Maryland job. Then again, I'm not from Maryland.

No offense intended here man, but you're way off.
 

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Maryland did win the National Championship in 2002. I'm a ND fan, but Maryland is the better job IMO.
 

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No offense intended here man, but you're way off.

None taken, but you are severely overrating the Maryland job. Ten years ago you may have been right, but the ACC has become two elite teams and a bunch of mediocre programs. Look at the problems that NC State had finding a new coach. And NC State is a better program than Maryland, historically. As a conference, the ACC is on the decline in basketball. It was arguably the best basketball conference as recently as 7 or 8 years ago, but it those days are pretty much gone.
 

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Maryland did win the National Championship in 2002. I'm a ND fan, but Maryland is the better job IMO.

Yeah, it is. Traditionally just behind Duke and UNC in the ACC... and only recently has the Big East overtaken the ACC as the basketball conference in the nation. It's situated in one of the top (if not the single best) recruiting hotbed in the United States... and until Debbie Yow ruined that University they were a perennial power. UMD is consistently better than Notre Dame and won a NC recently.
 

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None taken, but you are severely overrating the Maryland job. Ten years ago you may have been right, but the ACC has become two elite teams and a bunch of mediocre programs. Look at the problems that NC State had finding a new coach. And NC State is a better program than Maryland, historically. As a conference, the ACC is on the decline in basketball. It was arguably the best basketball conference as recently as 7 or 8 years ago, but it those days are pretty much gone.

I bolded the part that is very true. But the reason NC State had trouble finding a coach is because Debbie Yow is THE DEVIL. She ruined Maryland's lacrosse and basketball programs... the two jewels of that school. Also, you're right, NC State is a better "historic" program but in the past 10-15 years Maryland has been the better program and is situated in a better recruiting hotbed.

I underestimated your knowledge of the conference, and I'm sorry for that. We clearly have a difference of opinion, but at least you know what you're talking about :)
 

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Yeah, it is. Traditionally just behind Duke and UNC in the ACC... and only recently has the Big East overtaken the ACC as the basketball conference in the nation. It's situated in one of the top (if not the single best) recruiting hotbed in the United States... and until Debbie Yow ruined that University they were a perennial power. UMD is consistently better than Notre Dame and won a NC recently.

Totally agree with IrishLax on this.

It hasn't been long, but in the day the Maryland job has opened up, I've heard at least 3 different analysts consider Maryland a "Top 15-20 job". I don't want this to turn into a rank'um discussion, but the ND basketball job isn't even near that tier.
 

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We can certainly agree that Debbie Yow is terrible. Possibly the worst AD in the country. Maybe with her gone Maryland can get back to where it was 10 years ago.

When talking about what job is "better", unless the money is dramatically different it is really about personal preferences. There isn't a scientific formula. Maryland's biggest advantage is its location vis a vis basketball talent (I still prefer NYC/NJ as the best, but maybe I'm biased), but it isn't like Maryland gets every good player in that area. Other schools have been successful in poaching a lot of the talent out of there.

I guess its different strokes for different folks, but all I'm saying is if I were the coach at Notre Dame (and I wasn't from Maryland like Mike Brey) I don't think I would leave for Maryland, for a variety of reasons. I respect that other people could see it differently.
 

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Would cry if he leaves. ND BBall recruiting is finally looking up. Imagine what Brey could do with 4 star prospects compared to his usual lower-tier guys.
 

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Sorry Rhode, but I disagree here too. The main thing being, you said ND has unlimited resources but that simply isn't true. Or to be more precise, ND doesn't use it's resources towards basketball. Look at the facilities (crap), look at the assistant coaches' pay (low), not a great recruiting base, and look at how difficult it is to get elite basketball players from around the country with good grades who want to come to South Bend, Indiana to play second fiddle to football. This isn't Ohio St where you can get borderline kids easily through the door, and this isn't Butler where basketball is king and facilities are great (and they just so happen to have one of the top coaches in the country who happens to be a Hoosier boy, and the only job he is EVER leaving Butler for is Inidiana).

Maryland is a much easier school to recruit to, it has a history, it is the favorite program of the school, fertile recruiting base, good pay. I love ND with all my heart but it is NOT easy to win at ND, and I'm not even a Brey fan but the guy has done a remarkable job all things considered (I cannot believe I'm saying that).
 
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