How Tyrone destroyed Notre Dame: how we got here & why we should be excited for 2011

BeauBenken

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If you ran into Weis during those final years in South Bend supposedly he was a complete *******. :p
 

phork

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I just loved his Schematic Advantage.

PS: That was a joke.
 

kmoose

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I just loved his Schematic Advantage.

PS: That was a joke.

I'm not so sure it's all that good of a joke:

Early on in this season, I wondered about Michael Floyd's relative lack of production. One of the things that I noticed was this; early on in this season, it seemed like Michael Floyd was moving sideways across the field, or back toward the line of scrimmage, on every catch. Under the Weis regime, I'm sure we all remember that Michael Floyd almost always was headed for the end zone when he caught the ball. I'm not saying that Weis was successful in every facet of the offense, but he certainly seemed to run a more sophisticated passing game.
 

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I'm not so sure it's all that good of a joke:

Early on in this season, I wondered about Michael Floyd's relative lack of production. One of the things that I noticed was this; early on in this season, it seemed like Michael Floyd was moving sideways across the field, or back toward the line of scrimmage, on every catch. Under the Weis regime, I'm sure we all remember that Michael Floyd almost always was headed for the end zone when he caught the ball. I'm not saying that Weis was successful in every facet of the offense, but he certainly seemed to run a more sophisticated passing game.

To clarify, there was very little wrong with the offense.
 

Jerry

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I agree with pretty much everything in the original post. Except I don't think you can really blame Willingham for the bad 2005 recruiting class. He got fired in late November, there's no way you can pin a weak class that signed in February on Ty. With that said he recruited pretty badly when he did have the chance. I've read several times over the years that Willingham didn't think he needed to recruit at ND and that kids would just come to South Bend. So he whiffed on a bunch of big time recruits because he didn't court them enough and then had no back up plans. I'm pretty sure he didn't even fill all the scholarships he had available because they missed out on guys they thought they had in the bag.
 

Jerry

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I just loved his Schematic Advantage.

PS: That was a joke.

I'm pretty sure Weis said that behind closed doors and players told the media. But people seem to remember it as Weis opened his press conference with it.
 

eNDzone

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IMO Weis's biggest downfall was there was no fire in the belly. He came in with a good attitude and it remained while they were winning. When the loses started to mount there never seemed to be any sence of urgency. Compare him to Kelly on this aspect. Never during the season did it seem like Kelly's primary focus was aywhere but development and winning. They started out 1 and 3 and finished the year with less loses in their last 9 games then they had in their first .

Where was the fire with Weis in those last three years? Would Kelly have blamed the players he was left by Ty or would he have put the players he had in the positions they needed to be to succeed?
 
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I'm done with Ty. That was 6 years ago. All of his players are gone. Weis was a bad coach but a good recruiter. He's gone as well. Brian Kelly is our head coach.
 
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I'm pretty sure Ty was a lazy recruiter more than a bad recruiter. I wasn't following recruiting that much back then but I think we've all heard stories of highly regarded recruits who were basically ignored by Ty and his coaching staff when they came on campus... I believe that was the case of a qb that ended up at USC.

Many of you have been following ND and recruiting for years and before the internet... would you guys consider that 2004 class to be the worst in ND history???

6x 2* players and 8x 3* players... wow!!!

The most closely guarded secret in South Bend in those years was the amount of time Willingham spent on the links.

I prefer to take the long run on coaches. The only coaches that had the bona fides of the five coaches since Ara were Dan Devine and Lou Holtz. Not one other could prove qualifications for the head-coaching job. You had a high school coach from Cincinnati that could recruit, but was lost otherwise; you had a good defensive assistant that just wasn't smart enough; you had a head coach from Stanford that made his rep with another's talent (Walsh); and you had a brilliant OC from the pro ranks that didn't understand the first thing about coaching kids.

This original post is awesome. But, my post is complementary. This is kind of the “what went wrong in the past.” I am putting together the “what needs to be done right in the future.” Opposite sides of the same coin so to speak. It is simple. I am now playing a game and seeing how few of words I can use. (Major pain for me!)
 

NDbrbkny

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If you ran into Weis during those final years in South Bend supposedly he was a complete *******. :p

supposedly ty was the same too because he allways got pissed at everyone and i even watched a videotape of one of his pressers and the way he answered he seemed aarogant
 

irish1958

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To clarify, there was very little wrong with the offense.
Except that the line couldn't run block and as a result, they couldn't stay out of 3rd and long or reliably pick up 3rd and one (on the rare occasion when it occurred).
Weis had talent in the offensive line, but I don't think they were coached to their potential.
Ignoring the defense didn't help either, although in the last couple of years he tried to improve it, but, since he didn't recruit well for defense and develop defensive talent well, it was too late by the fourth year to really improve it.
The downfall of many coaches in college is ignoring the defense. A case in point is Michigan and Richrod.
A famous coach once said: "You can fake it on offense, but not on defense."
 
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