ND vs. SEC

[MacadamianNut]

ND travels all over the country to play. Pac 10, Big 10, Big 12...We play everyone. And comparing the service academies (who all were bowl eligible this year) against schools like Georgia State and San Jose St. is absurd.

The SEC does play a tough conference schedule, no doubt. But ND has nothing to be ashamed of either.

I did not even begin to compare Army and Navy to Ga. St. and San Jose St

 

[irishpat183]

I did not even begin to compare Army and Navy to Ga. St. and San Jose St

My point was, our "weaker" opponets are alot more formidable. Our "cupcakes" are bowl eligible (and bowl winning) teams. So while you play a tough conference schedule, our overall schedule is every bit as tough.

 

[phork]

Oh you really want to start the SOS thing?

I know ND isn't familiar with the conference thing since they are not obligated to play almost the same 8 opponents per year, but with Alabama recently coming off two straight years of season openers against a top 10 team, yeah I can live with starting off the season with a creampuff or two, something I'm sure Notre Dame has never done

I said nothing of SOS.

 

[ACamp1900]

no phork let's bring up SOS since he wants to go there...

GBE College Football Ratings

even the ones that favor bama don't by that much

USATODAY.com


and who the hell cares anyway, SOS rankings are so varied and most only really factor in poll ranking and win loss record... so much more goes into it... like how there is no excuse for a top 25 team to be playing D 2 teams in December every year when that same team has a fanbase that bashes everyone else for their schedules all the time... and yeah playing against a top 25 schedule that includes monthly creampuffs and never EVER includes leaving your region of the country is quite a bit easier then say, playing a top 25 schedule that is made of nothing but average and above D 1 teams every game with no let up, with games played in just about every region of the country,...

and honestly comparing Army and Navy to D 2 teams should have been a banning imo... REALLY??? you at least cold have gone with SDSU and Tulsa instead...

I wouldn't try to defend bamas history with the NCAA personally...

Alabama on probation -- again - CBSSports.com

and we all know the reason bama did anything this last time was because the previous two times they got hit it was widley believed they were VERY lucky not to get the death penalty... and if they had not played ball this last time then who knows... but leave it to bama to find student athletes with books a problem but completely go out of their way to hide players getting tens of thousands of dollars in the 90s, allowing players who had signed with agents to play entire seasons and more... you can not say the same for OU's situation... there is your difference...

anyway, good luck next season and hope to see you soon... i ain't scared.

 

[MacadamianNut]

<I>and who the hell cares anyway</I>

I dunno, maybe the guy that first mentioned "powerhouse" teams on a schedule

<I>and honestly comparing Army and Navy to D 2 teams should have been a banning imo... REALLY??? </I>

So it looks like you can't read. Even worse is I already flat-out reiterated that I was not doing that. My second post was in response to the comment about Kent St. and North Texas sandwiching the away game at Penn State (really don't see what those two teams have to do in regards to Alabama playing a big out of region game next season) at the beginning of the season as if Notre Dame has never started off the season with a gimme win.

I would like to hear the line of thinking that causes somebody to interpret me talking about cupcakes at the start of the season, which was explicitly stated, to the entirety of Notre Dame's schedule...or the later half of it at least.

If the "almost the same 8 opponents" comment threw anybody off, that was in regards to Alabama being confined to the same small region of the country for 2/3 of the season, something that does not apply to ND.

<I>and we all know the reason bama did anything this last time was because the previous two times they got hit it was widley believed they were VERY lucky not to get the death penalty</I>

That's great bud. But if you would check, you would see that my post was not arguing reason for action or saying that we are OU, but disputing your statement that Alabama "does nothing but fight tooth and nail". But if we're playing the "anything positive said about Alabama implies that they are saints" game, next time let me know in advance

<I>completely go out of their way to hide players getting tens of thousands of dollars in the 90s, allowing players who had signed with agents to play entire seasons and more</I>

This only applies to one player, Langham whose signing occurred on a napkin. But whatever. One player = players....whatever floats your boat. Also I'm gonna assume that the first part of your post references a 80s player, Gene Jelks. Alabama gave him "tens of thousands of dollars" eh? I didn't know that. Pretty sure he didn't know that as well. Maybe you're combining the Alabama and Auburn portions of that story.

 

[ACamp1900]

24,000 is usually confirmed to be in the tens of thousands, cept maybe in tide country... have fun

FOOTBALL - FOOTBALL - Alabama Gets Probation and Other Penalties In Football - NYTimes.com

 

[MacadamianNut]

I could also play this link game, unfortunately the archive link I have isn't as pretty as the NY Times one, but just as complete

Jelks (archive of Birmingham article)

And now stories start changing and Auburn comes into play

 

[ACamp1900]

I'll just leave that at 'lol'

 

[MacadamianNut]

Not surprised

 

[ACamp1900]

Nor should you be... it give me a headaches to try and read it... if what I think it implies is what it implies it would have been the college football version of the black sox scandal yet the only link you have to it is this??? First time I've ever heard of anything like it???


idk what to tell ya buddy

 

[MacadamianNut]

A much smaller newspaper that doesn't have an archive like the New York Times?

Crazy talk!

 

[MacadamianNut]

Also, college football version of the Black Sox scandal? Lol

We can stop playing this exaggeration game now. I get it. Perhaps it would have been if it was the sole cause of the probation instead of being combined with the much more prominent (even going by the link you posted) Langham issue

 

[ACamp1900]

A much smaller newspaper that doesn't have an archive like the New York Times?

Crazy talk!

breaking a story like that and it NOT making headlines across the country???

yup...

crazy.
talk.

 

[ACamp1900]

I didn't even read to whole thing because I can't, tha link is pretty bad... but it implies a booster from Auburn paid someone to lie about getting paid by a booster from Bama so to get bama hit... is that correct???


if so yeah, that would be the cfb scandal of that decade

 

[MacadamianNut]

Uh no.

Everybody and their grandma knows the meat of that probation arises from the cut and dry Langham situation, not Gene Relks changing his old story back in forth.

Also, a team helping to manufacture a story about us is nothing unheard of. How many times did you hear national reports about fat *** from Tennessee (Fulmer for those who don't know) and his business with Alabama

 

[ACamp1900]

then why post some dried up local article that is near impossible to read instead of just coming out and saying that??

lol


and no, the sanctions came from "complete lack of institutional control"... the NCAA does not seriously consider the death penalty for one of it's five greatest football programs because one player managed to make a fool of it's head coach... I would say 24,000 in cash payments is a bit more serious then one player having an agent and then (according to ya'll) lying about it to the school.

 

[MacadamianNut]

then why post some dried up local article that is near impossible to read instead of just coming out and saying that??

lol


and no, the sanctions came from "complete lack of institutional control"... the NCAA does not seriously consider the death penalty for one of it's five greatest football programs because one player managed to make a fool of it's head coach...

I would wager yeah, considering the NCAA did consider giving Alabama the death penalty for the Albert Means thing even though it boiled down to an Alabama booster acting alone and a HS coach willing to whore out his star player who IIRC, didn't even touch an Alabama uniform

So yeah, NCAA would do that for that reason

 

[General Colon Bowel]

I personally would love to see Notre Dame put Alabama on their schedule or meet in a bowl game. It'd be a great showdown between what are in my opinion, the #1 and 2 greatest college programs in the history of the sport. I think in a couple of years Kelly vs. Saban could be like a Parseghian vs. Bryant kind of deal. And we all know that Parseghian vs. Bryant worked out pretty well for us. Too bad Bryant didn't know about oversigning back then.

 

[ACamp1900]

lol... OU, SC and Michigan (at least) have something to say about those top spots too in fairness...

 

[The Polish Irishman]

we are not reading for the SEC....yet

 

[ACamp1900]

we are not reading for the SEC....yet

I can certainly upgrade their counting methods for them.....

you know, make them more.... shall we say, accurate.