USC Recruiting: 19 Verbal commits?? I thought 15 max!!

[jonesman]

I was just taking a look at our friends at USC recruit list. Can someone tell me how they are going to take 19 verbals when they are supposed to have a 15 recruit max??

Do they just plan to keep recruiting kids and only take the 15 they want?? That means that some kids are going to get the royal screw job at NSD.

Are they going to try to bring in some of these kids as early enrolls to count against the last recruiting class??

How the heck does all this work.

 

[aubeirish]

I think they have some guys going to the NFL...

 

[IrishLax]

They are appealing the ruling and refusing to accept all of the punishment for now. Hence, why they are "over" recruiting. This is also why the Cam Newton stuff might totally save their asses and pisses me off so much.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

If I remember reading correctly months ago, they can recruit all they want, they just have to stay below 75 for two years.

 

[Ben E.]

they only had 19 freshman last year so they are trying to get the max early enrolee's because as i understand they can count them against last years numbers. it appears there are alot of loop holes lining up for them to abuse. scumbags that they are...

 

[Ironman8]

they only had 19 freshman last year so they are trying to get the max early enrolee's because as i understand they can count them against last years numbers. it appears there are alot of loop holes lining up for them to abuse. scumbags that they are...

He's right, they are trying to max out the number of recruits they can get this year through EE's and JUCO transfers before the sanctions set in. I have heard reports they are trying to take up to 30 players this year to try and fill the roster before the punishment hits.

 

[BornNDfan81]

It doesn't make sense to load up while the sanctions are in the appeal status. When the appeal fails then what is their recruiting class going to look like next year when they are already going to be close to 75? I could be understanding the sanctions wrong unless they have a huge senior class next year. Will they even approve redshirt seniors the next 2 years?

 

[IrishLax]

It doesn't make sense to load up while the sanctions are in the appeal status. When the appeal fails then what is their recruiting class going to look like next year when they are already going to be close to 75? I could be understanding the sanctions wrong unless they have a huge senior class next year. Will they even approve redshirt seniors the next 2 years?

Hate to state the obvious but they're going to cut a bunch of kids. It just sucks that people don't see through Lane's bull****.

 

[IrishMoore1]

For now, they are not accepting the scholarship reductions penalty. So if the appeal does not work, the 3 year, 30 scholarship reduction will begin to take effect next year.

So now, USC is going to take up to 30 players in this class, and they can have at least 5 guys early in enroll to count as the previous class so that they may take that many players

 

[DomerBoy]

USC can take up to 10 early enrollee scholarship players that will count for 2010. The players that left the program without penalty actually helped them recruiting wise but hurt them with depth issues.

Look for their recruiting class to be in the range of 23-25 players.

 

[DomerBoy]

Hate to state the obvious but they're going to cut a bunch of kids. It just sucks that people don't see through Lane's bull****.

Untrue, like ND, USC offers scholarships for 4 years.

 

[IrishLax]

Untrue, like ND, USC offers scholarships for 4 years.

Untrue, like every school, every school offers scholarships for 1 year. I know MANY kids who have lost their scholarships to injury or other issues.

 

[DomerBoy]

Technically they are for one year, but if they give you a scholarship they honor it for 4 years like ND.

 

[IrishMoore1]

Technically, the scholarship is for one year, and must be renewed every year. I hope we take Montana's scholarship and give it to Ruffer. Montana can afford the school. Ruffer cannot, and he's earned it.

 

[DomerBoy]

I doubt Ruffer gets the scholly. BK is already recruiting Brindza and doubt he will have two scholarship kickers. Just saying.

 

[IrishMoore1]

I doubt Ruffer gets the scholly. BK is already recruiting Brindza and doubt he will have two scholarship kickers. Just saying.

U mean 3 scholarship kickers. Don't forget about Tausch. If Ruffer doesn't get a scholly, he ain't coming back. The guy is 100% on career field goal kicks. We need him back.

 

[IrishLax]

Technically they are for one year, but if they give you a scholarship they honor it for 4 years like ND.

Again, I can give you multiple examples of friends who lost their schollies (or almost lost their schollies) to things like coaching changes or injuries. Heck, for a football example, last year Brandon Walker was told if he got a certain back surgery that would put him out for too long he would lose his schollie. That's second hand, but from a very good source.

Scholarships at any school are handled strictly on a year by year basis. ND just happens to be very good about not taking them away from under-performing kids. At least in football, I have never heard of someone having a scholarship taken away because he wasn't cracking the depth chart. But athletes lose their scholarships all the time.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I doubt Ruffer gets the scholly. BK is already recruiting Brindza and doubt he will have two scholarship kickers. Just saying.

Not true. BK wants him back BADLY. You don't have a kicker go 100% and then tell him that he can leave b/c of a freshman with a big leg who's never kicked under real pressure before. From everything I've read, if Ruffer stays, he gets his scholly. He has already said he won't stay if he doesn't get a scholly, b/c he has Wall Street interviews lined up for him if he doesn't want to play football anymore (the dude apparently is pretty damn brilliant).

USC can take up to 10 early enrollee scholarship players that will count for 2010. The players that left the program without penalty actually helped them recruiting wise but hurt them with depth issues.

Look for their recruiting class to be in the range of 23-25 players.

True on the top paragraph, but incorrect on the part about 23-25 players. If they can, they will most likely end up with 30 (assuming they can get the 10 EE's, which they are on their way to getting).

Here's the thing with SC, as far as I can tell, and I follow them closely: They will self-impose 5 scholly reductions for this year. The appeal will not be heard on time, therefore they are accepting a 5 scholly ban instead of 10, and basically rolling the dice. So that leaves them with a class of around 20. However, with the 10 EE's, that will get them up to a possibility of 30. Now, they got a transfer from Miami mid-year, so he counts as an EE, so that leaves them with 9 EE's. And they have a FB who didn't qualify last year that might get in, and if he does, he would count as an EE too (although that's still very much up in the air).

So, SC will try to get into the 28-30 range. They're picking up some low-rated seniors and low-rated JC guys just to get their roster #s back, and of course they have their normal array of 4 stars and 5 stars as well. But I'm loving how they are justifying their 2 and 3 star guys with the "I trust the staff - they are the best recruiters in the country" - ignoring that it's obvious the guys they are getting are plan B's whose biggest asset is either their ability to be an EE or the fact that they play a position of dire need (O0line, LB) and SC is desperate...

 

[nvirish]

thank you for that summary it makes sense now that I have read espn saying that they are wanting ee really badly.

 

[jonesman]

I thought that USC could only have 15 schollies this year, not including early enrollees. Plus, a max of 75 kids on scholarship.

I hear what some of you are saying about them appealing, but I do not get the feeling that Pat Haden as the AD is a gambler regarding them winning the appeal. I see him saying, "let's play this clean and hope the NCAA treats us well". By ingnoring the sanctions, USC is basically spitting at the NCAA. I do not think that is a good thing.

 

[IrishLax]

I thought that USC could only have 15 schollies this year, not including early enrollees. Plus, a max of 75 kids on scholarship.

I hear what some of you are saying about them appealing, but I do not get the feeling that Pat Haden as the AD is a gambler regarding them winning the appeal. I see him saying, "let's play this clean and hope the NCAA treats us well". By ingnoring the sanctions, USC is basically spitting at the NCAA. I do not think that is a good thing.

It's what I heard on the USC boards, take it for what it's worth.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I was just taking a look at our friends at USC recruit list. Can someone tell me how they are going to take 19 verbals when they are supposed to have a 15 recruit max??

Do they just plan to keep recruiting kids and only take the 15 they want?? That means that some kids are going to get the royal screw job at NSD.

Are they going to try to bring in some of these kids as early enrolls to count against the last recruiting class??

How the heck does all this work.

I ****ing hate usc....thats all i can really add to it, recruiting is a odd thing

 

[IrishLax]

Not true. BK wants him back BADLY. You don't have a kicker go 100% and then tell him that he can leave b/c of a freshman with a big leg who's never kicked under real pressure before. From everything I've read, if Ruffer stays, he gets his scholly. He has already said he won't stay if he doesn't get a scholly, b/c he has Wall Street interviews lined up for him if he doesn't want to play football anymore (the dude apparently is pretty damn brilliant).



True on the top paragraph, but incorrect on the part about 23-25 players. If they can, they will most likely end up with 30 (assuming they can get the 10 EE's, which they are on their way to getting).

Here's the thing with SC, as far as I can tell, and I follow them closely: They will self-impose 5 scholly reductions for this year. The appeal will not be heard on time, therefore they are accepting a 5 scholly ban instead of 10, and basically rolling the dice. So that leaves them with a class of around 20. However, with the 10 EE's, that will get them up to a possibility of 30. Now, they got a transfer from Miami mid-year, so he counts as an EE, so that leaves them with 9 EE's. And they have a FB who didn't qualify last year that might get in, and if he does, he would count as an EE too (although that's still very much up in the air).

So, SC will try to get into the 28-30 range. They're picking up some low-rated seniors and low-rated JC guys just to get their roster #s back, and of course they have their normal array of 4 stars and 5 stars as well. But I'm loving how they are justifying their 2 and 3 star guys with the "I trust the staff - they are the best recruiters in the country" - ignoring that it's obvious the guys they are getting are plan B's whose biggest asset is either their ability to be an EE or the fact that they play a position of dire need (O0line, LB) and SC is desperate...

That is 100% what I've heard. Rest assured, for all those who think "Lane ****ing Kiffin, Bro" is going to keep the 2* and 3* kids on scholarship next year if he has 4* or 5* guys he wants and the appeal fails..... you are SORELY mistaken. Expect at least a half dozen guys to lose their schollies and they'll say "oh it's not our fault... it's the NCAA's... we're sorry we have to do this... we're good guys I swear!" When in all reality everyone knows there is practically no chance the appeal succeeds.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Again, I can give you multiple examples of friends who lost their schollies (or almost lost their schollies) to things like coaching changes or injuries. Heck, for a football example, last year Brandon Walker was told if he got a certain back surgery that would put him out for too long he would lose his schollie. That's second hand, but from a very good source.

Scholarships at any school are handled strictly on a year by year basis. ND just happens to be very good about not taking them away from under-performing kids. At least in football, I have never heard of someone having a scholarship taken away because he wasn't cracking the depth chart. But athletes lose their scholarships all the time.

Brandon had a few other issues: baseball, couldn't practice, etc. He was denied his fifth year. Doesn't that mean he got his first four?

 

[IrishLax]

Brandon had a few other issues: baseball, couldn't practice, etc. He was denied his fifth year. Doesn't that mean he got his first four?

Right, but I'm referring to last year and that's kinda my point. They told him if he got a certain surgery done that would put him out for the year they were going to pull his scholarship. A similar thing happened with a friend of mine on partial scholarship on the women's soccer team sophomore year and one of my roommates who almost lost his baseball scholarship because of a coaching change.

My point is... just because you have a scholarship one year in guarantee that you will have it 4 years. I think all of us (or at least most of us) agree on that. In this case, my point is that USC is sure as hell capable of yanking scholarships from these guys when the appeal fails.

 

[NCDomer]

The multiyear athletic scholarships ended in 1973. The NCAA provides funds to schools, and it's the schools that decide whether student-athletes meet the academic and participation expectations to keep their scholarships.

With that said, a class action is in the mix for challenging the status quo. Unless we return to the 4-year scholarships contingent upon passing classes and putting forth a good faith effort for the team, then the student-athletes deserve some money. Otherwise, schools can screw over student-athletes in a variety of ways. They get their new shiny recruit. They leave the school and the next coach doesn't want the kid. The whole process treats the kids as cogs in the multimillion dollar college sports enterprise as coaches, schools, and the NCAA reap the profits.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Brandon had a few other issues: baseball, couldn't practice, etc. He was denied his fifth year. Doesn't that mean he got his first four?

He also had a DUI. I don't know if it got around these boards but I have family in Findlay who work in some high up places who would know it. The info is public about it.

 

[DomerBoy]

Not true. BK wants him back BADLY. You don't have a kicker go 100% and then tell him that he can leave b/c of a freshman with a big leg who's never kicked under real pressure before. From everything I've read, if Ruffer stays, he gets his scholly. He has already said he won't stay if he doesn't get a scholly, b/c he has Wall Street interviews lined up for him if he doesn't want to play football anymore (the dude apparently is pretty damn brilliant).



True on the top paragraph, but incorrect on the part about 23-25 players. If they can, they will most likely end up with 30 (assuming they can get the 10 EE's, which they are on their way to getting).

Here's the thing with SC, as far as I can tell, and I follow them closely: They will self-impose 5 scholly reductions for this year. The appeal will not be heard on time, therefore they are accepting a 5 scholly ban instead of 10, and basically rolling the dice. So that leaves them with a class of around 20. However, with the 10 EE's, that will get them up to a possibility of 30. Now, they got a transfer from Miami mid-year, so he counts as an EE, so that leaves them with 9 EE's. And they have a FB who didn't qualify last year that might get in, and if he does, he would count as an EE too (although that's still very much up in the air).

So, SC will try to get into the 28-30 range. They're picking up some low-rated seniors and low-rated JC guys just to get their roster #s back, and of course they have their normal array of 4 stars and 5 stars as well. But I'm loving how they are justifying their 2 and 3 star guys with the "I trust the staff - they are the best recruiters in the country" - ignoring that it's obvious the guys they are getting are plan B's whose biggest asset is either their ability to be an EE or the fact that they play a position of dire need (O0line, LB) and SC is desperate...

30 not a valid number in my eyes. Their magic number is 80 correct? (85 minus 5 = 80)

They have 56 eligible returning players. Two have declared they are leaving early. So that is 54 returning scholarship players. To get to the magic number of 80, that would be 26 scholarship offers. I don't know how you got 30 when they have self imposed 5 scholarships this year. Are you saying they are aiming for 85, cause that would make sense then?