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I'm betting Hendrix is likely the guy next season.
Dayne, Rees, Massa, or Hendrix
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longrun, calling Dayne Slow? Not a correct comment. He is anything but slow. Come on, you may hate the guy. But, calling him slow is just incorrect.
I am just tired of Dayne bashers. The kid came back fast from a ACL Tear, brought us back against Michigan and Michigan State. And the defense let us down. And there is people that bash him. He isn't perfect. He is in his first year starting. And we want perfection??
I am a life long fan of ND. Got my grad cert. from ND. And listening to our fans, and a lot on this forum I wonder why any kid wants to put up with this. People bashed our last 2 5 star QB recruits. Clausen and Dayne, what do you want from a QB? They can't play defense, they can't run the ball as a RB, they can't protect themselves on the o-line.
All Jimmy did is get better every year, and people still bashed him.
Dayne in his first year is at a 129 efficience, 2000+ yards, 15 td's and 7 ints and over 59% completion rate. And he still gets bashed over and over.
Maybe some of the Irish fans-or so-called Irish Fans need to take a look and see if they are true fans, or fans that like to bash everyone. And then wonder why you hear from parents of recruits or recruits themselves about the bashing that goes on. Think about it, would you like to put up with that? I sure other teams have fans that bash. But, I am sure getting sick of reading how bad Dayne is, or cuss at recruits that decommit.
Support our recruits, support our players. It is a time to support, back-up, help our players. Not bash them. Critique is fine, constructive critisism is fine. But, the bashing???? Or not even giving them a fair shot, like Dayne 1st year as a starter, 2nd new system, a whole freaking different system, etc.
Circle the wagons Notre Dame fans. Or at least I will have one wagon that I will circle and support the Team and Recruits.
Go Irish, sorry I had to vent on this.
I am just tired of Dayne bashers. The kid came back fast from a ACL Tear, brought us back against Michigan and Michigan State. And the defense let us down. And there is people that bash him. He isn't perfect. He is in his first year starting. And we want perfection??
I am a life long fan of ND. Got my grad cert. from ND. And listening to our fans, and a lot on this forum I wonder why any kid wants to put up with this. People bashed our last 2 5 star QB recruits. Clausen and Dayne, what do you want from a QB? They can't play defense, they can't run the ball as a RB, they can't protect themselves on the o-line.
All Jimmy did is get better every year, and people still bashed him.
Dayne in his first year is at a 129 efficience, 2000+ yards, 15 td's and 7 ints and over 59% completion rate. And he still gets bashed over and over.
Maybe some of the Irish fans-or so-called Irish Fans need to take a look and see if they are true fans, or fans that like to bash everyone. And then wonder why you hear from parents of recruits or recruits themselves about the bashing that goes on. Think about it, would you like to put up with that? I sure other teams have fans that bash. But, I am sure getting sick of reading how bad Dayne is, or cuss at recruits that decommit.
Support our recruits, support our players. It is a time to support, back-up, help our players. Not bash them. Critique is fine, constructive critisism is fine. But, the bashing???? Or not even giving them a fair shot, like Dayne 1st year as a starter, 2nd new system, a whole freaking different system, etc.
Circle the wagons Notre Dame fans. Or at least I will have one wagon that I will circle and support the Team and Recruits.
Go Irish, sorry I had to vent on this.
just curious, but how should one categorize dayne?
i would never say "fast" or "elusive" because he is none of those things...so what is he?
as far as spread option QBs go, he is probably the slowest in the country and that is not "bashing" but just calling the situation as it stands...
i like dayne as much as the next guy, but he certainly is not a fast QB...
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He reminds me of a late-era John Elway.
As many know, Elway could pull it down and run pretty well in college and early in his career with the Broncos. In his last handful of seasons, he was much more limited, although if he did get the chance to take off he could pick up a head of steam.
That's how I see Crist. My biggest issue is he is not quick. The spread QB in this system has to recognize the play and get from behind the O-line to the edge very quickly, and Crist is not adept at doing that.
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What I don't get is everyone is talking about how Dayne isn't mobile and not suited for the offense...Um Tony Pike was probably the most least mobile QB in the NCAA last year. Just saying.
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Remember when Jason White won a Heisman trophy running a spread with no knees at all? I do.
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Reality check
Reality check
Joe started in high school and was a very good HS player, Nate, however was neither. They share a name and little else it appears, at least as far as football playing goes.
Don't be so hard on yourself.
Reality check
Joe started in high school and was a very good HS player, Nate, however was neither. They share a name and little else it appears, at least as far as football playing goes.
Don't be so hard on yourself.
dayne is "suited" for the offense, but he certainly is not "mobile"...
the difference between dayne and pike is knowledge base and accuracy
one does not have to be mobile to excel in the spread option, but it certainly helps...
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I think passing accuracy is most imperative in this version of the spread. Mobility would be more important in the Michigan version of the "spread".
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Completely agree with you. That's the point I was trying to make. If Dayne had the knowledge base and accuracy of Pike we would be in great shape. Also, saying that one doesn't have to mobile in the office for it to exceed, see Pike & Jason White. Crist is much more mobile than those two, which is a plus.
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Since people want to chew the fat on this till spring, I'll be a bad guy and throw a bit more fat on the fire. It seems to me that the [surprise??] stepping up of recruiting of Everett Golsten [apologize if name is slightly garbled], is suspiciously coincidental with Dayne's second injury [actually his third if you count Michigan]. One wonders a bit what Kelly is thinking about his chances of getting a season out of Dayne whether you, he, or I love the young man or not. Kelly seemed happy with his QB "plan" till this happened. Or is it the three frosh he has doubts about?? [I doubt the latter unless he has already heard rumblings about transfers]. Freedom, thy name is speculation!!
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I agree, but as I've noted elsewhere, and has been supported by many, Dayne isn't accurate. He has a cannon, is not mobile and has average at best accuracy. That's not a spread QB, that's a pro-style QB.
Look I cant help it that a ton of my friends feel the same. Crist cant move around like Rees. He is a large target and its takes him seconds to even think about running. Tommy I think has better instincts than Crist. Crist just doesn't have any luck and the poor kid is hurt again. I like Rees as QB I am actually excite to watch him in action against Utah. I am not bashing the kid I just dont like his style, and for the last few games he hasn't done anything impressive.
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I guess we have to agree to disagree.
I still rather have Dayne than Rees. Heck, I don't even think Rees is the best of your freshman.
Anyhow, support our guys and not bash our recruits/decomits.
Go Irish.
I still rather have Dayne than Rees. Heck, I don't even think Rees is the best of your freshman.
Anyhow, support our guys and not bash our recruits/decomits.
Go Irish.
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While I would be sad to see him go without having had any success, it might not be the worst thing in the world for either party- ND can get a QB better suited for the Spread and Dayne can get himself into a Pro-Style O somewhere. This is obviously not an ideal fit for either at present time.
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have you watched rees play? where in the world are you seeing his lack of arm strength?
and i see competition as a good thing as opposed to the label "qb controversy". bk's going to play the better qb, and right now....rees is it. he knows the system and gets reps in it. unlike hendrix. hendrix may have the physical tools to possibly play now, but bk doesn't have the time to bring him up to speed w/the playbook.
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um didn't he run for 28 yards before he got hurt???
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One more stone to throw into the pond: the discussion on Dayne's speed gives me a feeling of miscommunication going on, or at least different usages of the words. I distinguish between straight line speed and, for a better word, "niftiness". Dayne is one of those long strong striders who has pretty good straight line speed. But he seems lacking in niftiness--both in terms of pocket shifts and finding the "straight line" to run fast in. Whether he would/will develop that with more calmness in his role, I'm open-minded.
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My problem with the QB competition, or QB controversy, whichever label is used, is that all 11 players on this offense have a long way to go to become comfortable with the scheme, assignments..etc.
When there is a controversy, either, QB X will throw 1/2 the passes, and QB Y will throw the other half of the passes with the first team. Or, On Monday QB X will run the first team, and Tuesday, QB Y will run the first team.
The offense is nowhere near good enough, or comfortable enough, to make up for the difference in using 2 quarterbacks. The offense, IMO, should pick a direction, and work towards that goal. They need the reps with 1 QB to gel, and grow as a unit.
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The recruiting of Golson
The recruiting of Golson
has more to do with UNC's problems than Crist's injury. The kid appears to have soured on UNC and that piqued ND's interest. Also, ND's interest in him predates Crist's injury.
The recruiting of Golson
has more to do with UNC's problems than Crist's injury. The kid appears to have soured on UNC and that piqued ND's interest. Also, ND's interest in him predates Crist's injury.
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Speaking of mobile QB's, I wonder when we will see a QB with the accuracy of Peyton Manning, and the mobility of Mike Vick.What a weapon that would be
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That would be scary.
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yes they do.
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Not quite.
The only "option" we ever run is the zone read. And Kelly's outright refusal to run the football, coupled with Dayne Crist's inexperience in running it, pretty much axes that from the playbook.
exactly, zone-read spread option.
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Are you watching the same games as the rest of us? I've been Tommy's biggest backer on this board and even I admit his arm strength is a serious issue. He simply doesn't have the ability to throw long with any accuracy.
His big advantage right now is his ability to throw on the run, and that he is hyper accurate on short throws. Ask him to throw anything over ten yards and it's an adventure. Just re-watch the longer out route to Floyd on the last drive thrown from the right hash to the left edge of the field, the long throw to Floyd in the first half over the middle, or any of his throws over ten yards (and note that there aren't many).
There are lots of posts on this on this board, and it's acknowledged as a serious issue. Trying to claim he doesn't have an arm strength problem is just incorrect.
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Are you watching the same games as the rest of us? I've been Tommy's biggest backer on this board and even I admit his arm strength is a serious issue. He simply doesn't have the ability to throw long with any accuracy.
His big advantage right now is his ability to throw on the run, and that he is hyper accurate on short throws. Ask him to throw anything over ten yards and it's an adventure. Just re-watch the longer out route to Floyd on the last drive thrown from the right hash to the left edge of the field, the long throw to Floyd in the first half over the middle, or any of his throws over ten yards (and note that there aren't many).
There are lots of posts on this on this board, and it's acknowledged as a serious issue. Trying to claim he doesn't have an arm strength problem is simply incorrect.
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go to the game post and read what most others have said. i'm not the only one saying he doesn't have arm strength issues. and even mike mayock complimented tommy rees on his arm strength. and i believe that mike mayock knows what he's talking about.
and saying he has issues with throwing a ball more than ten yards is a joke. he's thrown the ball further than ten yards down field & some of those throws that you consider shorter than ten yards were across the field (which makes the throw even longer).
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I'm really not sure what posts you are talking about in the game day thread. I do know that there is an entire thread about the Utah game and whether dink and dunk will work and whether Rees is capable of throwing downfield (consensus is no). I do know that in the game day thread nobody praised his arm strength in the last third of the thread, whereas plenty of people expressed concern about it. Sure he had good zip on some of his throws, but they were all short. He only made long throws a handful of times all game and they universally looked terrible.
There is a general consensus here that he doesn't have the best arm strength, that was the concern on all the recruiting sites and it's something that's been commented on in many articles about the new ND QB situation.