Nobody (or Almost Nobody) Actually Wants BK Fired

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For some reason many posters seem to think that many people actually want BK fired. I do not think that is the case. [Note: discussing more attactive options, in the abstract, does not mean that people think BK should be fired]. It seems the vast majority think that he should at least get a few years to prove himself.

If you actually believe that BK should be fired, *today*, please post here and make your case.
 

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This is absurd in my opinion. No way should BK get fired. Granted this year has been tough, but had we all been realistic we would be more understanding. Between a new coaching staff, new offense and defense schemes, players getting hurt (we have lost alot of our top talent) and just the growing pains of re-building, we need to cut this guy some slack. Anyone who thought we would be BCS contenders over night or expect that have to re-examine their positions and be honest with themselves. Give BK a break and let the coaches coach. We are at the very bottom right now, but I see us slowly getting back to the top. We are literally in the process of re-inventing ourselves and our program and it's not pretty.
 

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People are slamming on the panic button because they feel that if BK fails, ND football has a lot more problems then a bad coach. I felt the same way when Weis got fired, one of the reasons I never supported the decision. So...yea, BK is our man. And just like Dayne was BK's man but still got yelled at, so will we yell at Kelly. Because we want him to be perfect, not because we think he's a failure.
 

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It is BKs program for at least the next 2.5 years. I do not think anyone wants BK to be fired either but I think everyone would like to see some changes.

I would even support a youth movement if it meant that some of the players on the D, not to be named, no longer played. Even if this cost us every game going forward.
 

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I don't think he should be fired, but he sure has made some bad decisions. Besides the players, he's made his fair share of mistakes too. I think we didn't realize how overrated and bad the current players are. All they know is losing so we can't assume things will turn around over night.
 

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1. He definitely shouldn't be fired, those who think so will be the same waning to suck his **** when they get good.
2. You obviously cant change a program overnight as IrishMoore mentioned
3.This season as much as i hate to say it is good for BK i think it will shrink his head a little bit
4. The thing I always will go back to..... Charlie weis was a failure he was 9-3 in his first year, Ty Willingham was 10-3, Lou Holtz was 5-6.
5. Give him some time people i live in Northern Kentucky and saw him work has magic first hand on UC
 

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He will be the Coach to turn us around, I still whole-heartedly believe in him, and his program.
 

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Just hang in there guys. I think ND (should) will be improved next season by a few more wins and then they can build off that.

Patience
 

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Anyone who thinks he should be fired at this point is behaving like some hyperventilating teenage girl at a Justin Bieber concert.
 

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I have a real bad feeling he is going to EXACTLY be our Rich Rodriguez. A great coach with a great system...unfortunately it takes four years to get the players that fit the system, and of course he won't get the time. Look at the schedule the next two years..BK is going to have three straight 5-7 (possibly 4-8 or 6-6) seasons.

Next yr we'll have another first yr qb..probably hendrix or some freshmen (cause it wont be that midget rees) and i don't see Bk ever getting his feet under him.
 

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i dont know maybe they should cut their losses with BK immediately and beg ( and get shot down by) urban meyer one more time..and throw a boat load of cash at Gary Patterson...but i think he's contractually locked up.

So maybe just settle for gary edsall at UCONN
 

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I have a real bad feeling he is going to EXACTLY be our Rich Rodriguez. A great coach with a great system...unfortunately it takes four years to get the players that fit the system, and of course he won't get the time. Look at the schedule the next two years..BK is going to have three straight 5-7 (possibly 4-8 or 6-6) seasons.

Next yr we'll have another first yr qb..probably hendrix or some freshmen (cause it wont be that midget rees) and i don't see Bk ever getting his feet under him.

You're pretty negative. Do you even like Notre Dame?
 

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Rich Rod and BK are nothing alike. Rich Rod has never been able to build anything less than a joke of a defense, even after time vested with the program. His has built his programs on a dynamic offense which can outscore the oposition with a defense that continually struggles. Most of his offense is built around one or two speed guys that raise the team to higher levels. BK takes players, talented and not, and gets them to play as a single unit and play above their skill level. He pairs this with a respectable defense to create success. BK hasn't had any huge talents at any programs he's been at to date, but has managed to take these programs to elite levels. BK is finally at a program where he will, over time, have more than a few talented players on the field at a time. As his players come in and his system gets fully implemented our programs will have the potential to be amazing. Even thru the struggles and hard times I look to the future and believe in what our program will become.
 

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Newsflash!!!!!!!!! the issues with Notre Dame's football program run much deeper than the coach.
 

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I have a real bad feeling he is going to EXACTLY be our Rich Rodriguez. A great coach with a great system...unfortunately it takes four years to get the players that fit the system, and of course he won't get the time. Look at the schedule the next two years..BK is going to have three straight 5-7 (possibly 4-8 or 6-6) seasons.

Next yr we'll have another first yr qb..probably hendrix or some freshmen (cause it wont be that midget rees) and i don't see Bk ever getting his feet under him.

We had our RichRod, his name was Charlie Weis.

Rich Rod and BK are nothing alike. Rich Rod has never been able to build anything less than a joke of a defense, even after time vested with the program. His has built his programs on a dynamic offense which can outscore the oposition with a defense that continually struggles. Most of his offense is built around one or two speed guys that raise the team to higher levels. BK takes players, talented and not, and gets them to play as a single unit and play above their skill level. He pairs this with a respectable defense to create success. BK hasn't had any huge talents at any programs he's been at to date, but has managed to take these programs to elite levels. BK is finally at a program where he will, over time, have more than a few talented players on the field at a time. As his players come in and his system gets fully implemented our programs will have the potential to be amazing. Even thru the struggles and hard times I look to the future and believe in what our program will become.

Err his last year at WVU they were 7th in the country in total defense.
 
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We had our RichRod, his name was Charlie Weis.



Err his last year at WVU they were 7th in the country in total defense.

Agree with the first comment. Partially agree with the second. This is true, but the majority of his defensive positives come from his offenses ability to score quickly and put the other teams out of their games and into throwing situations to catch up. (and it really disgusts me to hear Brian Kelly compared to Rich Rod)
 

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For some reason many posters seem to think that many people actually want BK fired. I do not think that is the case. [Note: discussing more attactive options, in the abstract, does not mean that people think BK should be fired]. It seems the vast majority think that he should at least get a few years to prove himself.

If you actually believe that BK should be fired, *today*, please post here and make your case.

To be honest with you, I had high hopes for Brian Kelly. In the last 9 games, I am not totally impressed with it. Remember Ara Parseghian said in an article that it's very important to win games at Notre Dame even though Kelly is in his first year. If Kelly wins many games, he gets a lot of recruits to come to Notre Dame. It's very important to win many games like 9 games or more in his first year. Now how many games has he won so far with one of the easiest schedule in the nation? 4 games. Not good. Now he lost several best recruits in the last 2 or 3 weeks. Not a good sign. He screams at his players. My opinion of that is he can scream all he wants during practice, but in real game, come on. Players are excited about the game. If they make a mistake that they don't mean that then give them some support. He will yell and pi$$ all he wants. He thinks they will listen to him, but sadly, we saw some players walked away from him on the sideline. How do you think the recruits who want to come to Notre dame to see that scene and wonder if there's some of tension going on between Kelly and his players. You want recruits to feel they want to play for Kelly, but yelling is not going to cut it.

Now there was a student who died last week and Kelly admitted he was the one who decided to hold a practice outside. I wonder if there's more to this story than he's telling us. I will leave to that as the investgation is ongoing.

We should have not lost to Stanford badly. If my memory is correct, Charlie Weis and Ty Williamgham did not lose to Stanford badly. Charlie and Ty beat Stanford in their first year. I don't want to hear excuses that this is Kelly's first year, but historically, first year head coaches at Notre Dame had a good chance of winning games in the first year. Kelly has more coaching experience than Weis, but I don't see any major development and adjustment during the season. They played horrible against Navy. They struggled with Tulsa which we should have beaten them like 20 points ahead. Kelly didn't bother to run some plays so the kicker could be in a good position to kick a field goal to win against Tulsa. He didn't.

I love Notre Dame. I really do. I personally believe we should hire a head coach who have an experience in playing with elite teams and beat them. If we get a coach from the SEC then we can be a competitive team. I am giving you an example. Kelly didn't have many experience in facing with an elite team. We are scheduled to play against Texas, BYU, Miami and Oklahoma in near future. Kelly better get serious, because we don't have much time left to play around. I am losing my faith in him but I always stand behind Notre Dame.
 

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Who the heck is going to want the job if BK gets canned after 9 games. You can't win with guys that are used to loosing. I don't care what stars they might have been in high school. Change of regime takes time. Let's be patient.
 

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Trust me im a fan..i don't know of a hater that could come to this board four or five times a day.
 

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If we can keep the large majority of our recruits this season, and similarly recruit the next two, Brian Kelly will turn the program around "quickly" though not in the instant gratification mode some would insist upon. If we cannot hold our recruiting classes it is going to be more of an evolution than a revolution.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kelly needs practice time, and Kelly needs personnel. His systems work. [I've seen the "wide-openness of the passing game nearly continuously every game this season--we just haven't always executed, even when the execution seemed "ordinary". I actually believe his offensive scheme IS unstoppable by anyone short of the NFL {which includes a few SEC teams} ]. He cannot take the field himself.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "His" defense is not "his", it's his d-coordinator's. Diaco is a bit more of an unknown than Kelly. I'm trusting Kelly that he can assess assistant coaches as well as he assesses personnel. Time will tell on that. One should remember that Kelly's systems beat all manner of teams similar in quality to Michigan, Navy, Tulsa, and even Michigan State with the sort of recruits he was able to get at Cincinnati, plus his schemes and his coaching up. How would putting at least three of those four in the win column now make everyone feel??
 
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If we can keep the large majority of our recruits this season, and similarly recruit the next two, Brian Kelly will turn the program around "quickly" though not in the instant gratification mode some would insist upon. If we cannot hold our recruiting classes it is going to be more of an evolution than a revolution.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kelly needs practice time, and Kelly needs personnel. His systems work. [I've seen the "wide-openness of the passing game nearly continuously every game this season--we just haven't always executed, even when the execution seemed "ordinary". I actually believe his offensive scheme IS unstoppable by anyone short of the NFL {which includes a few SEC teams} ]. He cannot take the field himself.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "His" defense is not "his", it's his d-coordinator's. Diaco is a bit more of an unknown than Kelly. I'm trusting Kelly that he can assess assistant coaches as well as he assesses personnel. Time will tell on that. One should remember that Kelly's systems beat all manner of teams similar in quality to Michigan, Navy, Tulsa, and even Michigan State with the sort of recruits he was able to get at Cincinnati, plus his schemes and his coaching up. How would putting at least three of those four in the win column now make everyone feel??

Funny.. I remember saying the same things about Weis.
 

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I am not a hater. I am frustrated like anybody else. There are a lot of fans in this forum questions Kelly's system. That's fine with me if you like Kelly. I have no problem. I just don't understand why we lost to Navy and Tulsa. If this is Weis' first year and lost to Tulsa, everyone is calling for his head. No doubts about that. I hope Notre Dame wins against Utah, Army and USC. If they do that, they are making a major progress. USC and Utah are tough, but I hope we win against them. It will help in the long run.
 

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No way BK should be fired, what we need is just what BK says- more toughness, we look soft- look at the O-line, not bad but not destroying people, we need to come off the line and destroy the likes of Tulsa.

By the way, Floyd is best player at ND I have seen in years period, and Teo is following in his footsteps for a true soph. Upset special=Utah-seniors last game
 

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Newsflash!!!!!!!!! the issues with Notre Dame's football program run much deeper than the coach.

Agreed. Can we really keep blaming the last decade and a half on coaching? Lou Holtz' 1993 season was, to me, the last successful season the Irish have had. We've gone 1-9 in bowl games since then and have had a 118-84 record. Notre Dame has not had a coach since Lou Holtz. I don't care about Ty's 10-3 season or Weis's 10-3 season. Neither of them ever had what it takes to be a long term coach at Notre Dame. Knute, Ara, and Lou all coached at least 10 years which, to me, is what the Irish need, a long-term coach. I think Kelly has that pedigree.

There have been problems in the program for quite a while now. I think it is deeper than recruiting, coaching, or scheduling. I think Administration has a lot to do with it. I, for one, love the tradition at Notre Dame. That is what draws people in. And I also believe that most of the traditions need to remain but there could be a little leniancy in some things. I made the comment about academic standards earlier this week in another post but I think I have since changed my thinking on that subject. I do still believe academics at Notre Dame are top-notch and I do still believe football players recruited to play for ND are required to be successful in the classroom however, it is still D-1 football. You really can't think that these players have it so hard when it comes to studies. I know there are a handful of football players that do care about their schooling and are successful but I find it hard to believe that their course work is too tedious.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I strongly agree with irishtrain, the problems at ND are much much deeper than the head coach.
 

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Funny.. I remember saying the same things about Weis.

The difference here is we know that Kelly can do it. He has done everywhere he has been for the last 15 years.

Hopefully I am right, I also thought Weis would be better... I guess we will have to wait and see.
 

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Partially agree with the second. This is true, but the majority of his defensive positives come from his offenses ability to score quickly and put the other teams out of their games and into throwing situations to catch up. (and it really disgusts me to hear Brian Kelly compared to Rich Rod)

How is this different from Kelly's philosophy?
 

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Brian Kelly had strong defenses to keep the opositions score low. Rich Rod usually didn't and needed to outscore them to win.
 

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Brian Kelly had strong defenses to keep the opositions score low. Rich Rod usually didn't and needed to outscore them to win.

Since when has Kelly been known for the defensive side of his team? He has an innovative spread offense that rapidly scores points and takes the other team out of its offensive game plan.
 

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If it disgusts you then you're lying to yourself..richrod is running a zone read whereas kelly is throwing it around the field. Nonetheless, both need to outscore you with a high powered offense to win.

RichRod has fielded defenses far better than brian kelly ever has..and thats a fact.

Cincinatti last year got scored all over when they played anyone with a decent offense... uconn pitt and florida off the top of my head from last yr.
 
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