UFC 121: Lesnar vs Velasquez-10/23/10

[JKhrome1ND]

When: October 23, 2010 at 7 P.M. Pacific On PPV, Prelims At 6 P.M. Pacific On SpikeTV (North America)
Where: Honda Center, Anaheim, California, U.S.A.

Event Bouts:

UFC Heavyweight Title:
Brock Lesnar (c) (5-1) Vs Cain Velasquez (8-0)
Welterweight:
Jake Shields (25-4-1) Vs Martin Kampmann (17-3)
Light Heavyweight:
Tito Ortiz (15-7-1) Vs Matt Hamill (9-2)
Welterweight:
Diego Sanchez (21-4) Vs Paulo Thiago (13-2)
Heavyweight:
Gabriel Gonzaga (11-5) Vs Brendan Schaub (6-1)

SpikeTV Bouts:
Middlewight:
Court McGee (10-1) Vs Ryan Jensen (15-6)
Middleweight:
Patrick Cote (13-6) Vs Tom Lawlor (6-3 1NC)

Preliminary Bouts:
Heavyweight:
Gilbert Yvel (36-15-1 1NC) Vs Jon Madsen (6-0)
Welterweight:
Mike Guymon (12-3-1) Vs Daniel Roberts (10-1)
Lightweight:
Sam Stout (15-6-1) Vs Paul Taylor (10-5-1 1NC)
Middleweight:
Chris Camozzi (13-3) Vs Dong Yi Yang (9-0)

 

[Junkhead]

???

 

[Axl Rose]

Pulling for Brock, Kampmann, and Hamill.

 

[JKhrome1ND]

Pulling for Brock, Kampmann, and Hamill.

funny but im going for the other guys (that those fighters are facing) hahaha Cain, Shields and Tito.

 

[mick2]

i actually want brock to win this one so he can get his *** beat by shane carwin again.

 

[Irish Man3]

who won the Carwin/Lesnar fight? Oh yea thats right.... the current heavyweight champion. Carwin threw 500 punches and landed about 10. thats a far cry from an *** beating.

 

[mick2]

who won the Carwin/Lesnar fight? Oh yea thats right.... the current heavyweight champion. Carwin threw 500 punches and landed about 10. thats a far cry from an *** beating.

ok brock fan, he was fuggin out and couldnt do anything, carwin rocked his ***, went in for the kill and should have been rewarded the title.

 

[Irish Man3]

He did rock him and then couldnt finish the job. Why should he have gotten the title? Brock defended himself the whole time. You dont get the title by punching someones arms over and over again. Its ok to be an upset Carwin fan. Sometimes its ok to be second best.

 

[mick2]

im not interested enough in mma to start and argument about it, but what i saw(and i am not the only one) was the current champ getting the benefit of the doubt because he is dana whites golden goose, and the contender knock him into lala land. the rest is whatever, but maybe i'll root for cain now because of you. we'll see.

 

[Irish Man3]

Im not a Brock fan but I took into consideration your lack of MMA viewing before you had to tell me. It was evident by your original post. If you watched the fight then you would've seen the final 15 seconds of the fight. Shane Carwins head on the verge of popping off his body. I like MMA not Brock Lesnar. Cain and Brock should be a good fight so cheer for whoever you'd like.

 

[mick2]

who watches heavyweights for submissions? i wanna see knockouts and i did, it was a first round ko and the "champ" didnt know where he was. give the guy who was on the ground an extra round to collect his thoughts and shake out the cobwebs, while the other guy punched his way to what should have been a victory and you get what you got, a guy knowing he cant go toe to toe with carwin, and taking the easy way out on a gassed opponent.

you know it wouldnt have been so bad if he didnt get up and proclaim to still be "the baddest mfer around!"

gimme a friggin break.

 

[TerryTate]

I do not like Brock, but I do follow MMA. Carwin gassed himself that fight, and Brock built up his cardio and won the fight. Brock is definitely improving. If he keeps it up, he will earn the respect of the MMA community. He is a physical monster, should be a good fight.

2 fights that I like

Thiago vs. Sanchez
Hammill vs. Ortiz

 

[Irish Man3]

Carwin punches himself out of the win your right. If he would have connected with half of his punches in the first round he would have won. He has the better fighter on that night and let his inexperience show through. He lost the fight more than Brock won the fight. He connected on one uppercut and then attacked like he should have. But you have to connect to finish the fight. Say Brock took the "easy way out" if you'd like but the fact is... he won. Had nothing to do with Dana White or the refs.

 

[mick2]

Carwin punches himself out of the win your right. If he would have connected with half of his punches in the first round he would have won. He has the better fighter on that night and let his inexperience show through. He lost the fight more than Brock won the fight. He connected on one uppercut and then attacked like he should have. But you have to connect to finish the fight. Say Brock took the "easy way out" if you'd like but the fact is... he won. Had nothing to do with Dana White or the refs.

that my freind is bs, you think any other fighter gets that much time getting pounded? you cannot seriously tell me yes. if tables are turned and carwin is on the ground, its ko fight over.

can i get a conspiracy photo up in here!

 

[TerryTate]

That really wasn't Dana White or the Refs. In a championship fight, you need to finish it. I've seen worse beatings than that go on for longer in a championship fight.

 

[Irish Man3]

not being a smartass but if you watch MMA consistently then you would know that the only time a fight is stopped is when the fighter fails to defend himself. Brock never dropped his hands and continued to defend himself. Thats why the fight was not stopped. Its interesting how anytime a judgment call is questioned it becomes a conspiracy. Dana White would have made a lot more money if Carwin did win considering the Vegas odds were 3-1.

 

[mick2]

not being a smartass but if you watch MMA consistently then you would know that the only time a fight is stopped is when the fighter fails to defend himself. Brock never dropped his hands and continued to defend himself. Thats why the fight was not stopped. Its interesting how anytime a judgment call is questioned it becomes a conspiracy. Dana White would have made a lot more money if Carwin did win considering the Vegas odds were 3-1.

not trying to be a smartass but who gives a damn about vegas odds? brock is the face of ufc, him getting ko'ed in the first round is bad business for dana white. its like trying to sell colts tickets if peyton manning was out for the season. come on dude.

 

[nd1]

hey dave bautista from the wwe is going into mma. atleast thats what he said on radio this morning. said they were close to contract with some other mma type. something like pride or someone really can't remember who he said.

 

[TerryTate]

hey dave bautista from the wwe is going into mma. atleast thats what he said on radio this morning. said they were close to contract with some other mma type. something like pride or someone really can't remember who he said.

Pride is gone, UFC bought it. Probably Strikeforce or something. Crappy venue. Fedor will be his primary competition before the UFC lures him over.

 

[Irish Man3]

You don't make any sense. You don't care about Vegas odds but you wanna talk bad business for Dane White. Vegas is Dana's business. That's where he makes his money aside from merchandise and ticket sales. There is no face of MMA. MMA doesn't need a Peyton Manning or a Lebron James. That's what makes MMA the hottest thing on the market right now. The more the belt changes hands, the better BUSINESS for Dana White and MMA. Dana White also has nothing to do with the referee stopping the fight. Your arguement makes no sense.

The fact is, Carwin was the better fighter on that night and missed his opportunity. He let his inexperience show through. Championship fights are different than other fights. They will let the fight go on for longer either way. Watch more MMA!

 

[nd1]

Pride is gone, UFC bought it. Probably Strikeforce or something. Crappy venue. Fedor will be his primary competition before the UFC lures him over.

i think that what is was. thanks terry.

 

[mick2]

You don't make any sense. You don't care about Vegas odds but you wanna talk bad business for Dane White. Vegas is Dana's business. That's where he makes his money aside from merchandise and ticket sales. There is no face of MMA. MMA doesn't need a Peyton Manning or a Lebron James. That's what makes MMA the hottest thing on the market right now. The more the belt changes hands, the better BUSINESS for Dana White and MMA. Dana White also has nothing to do with the referee stopping the fight. Your arguement makes no sense.

The fact is, Carwin was the better fighter on that night and missed his opportunity. He let his inexperience show through. Championship fights are different than other fights. They will let the fight go on for longer either way. Watch more MMA!

wow, ok. if brock wasnt on this card who would even care? would there even be a thread on a ND message board dedicated to it? what happened when elitexc put all its eggs in the kimbo slice basket and then slice lost? it went bankrupt and is now defunct. not saying if brock loses the ufc would crumble but it wouldnt be good for dana after promoting him so hard.

we could go on all day, i have my thoughts and you may think they are far fetched and thats your right as a human being, but don't try and tell me i don't know anything, cuz i know a lil bit. may not be the mma superfan you are but that doesnt mean i can't understand the sport and the business behind the sport.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

that my freind is bs, you think any other fighter gets that much time getting pounded? you cannot seriously tell me yes. if tables are turned and carwin is on the ground, its ko fight over.

can i get a conspiracy photo up in here!

Anderson Silva must have be in his pocket too for the beating he got from Sonnen.... Oh wait, Silva submitted Sonnen in the fifth after a thorough whooping....

A fight is OVER when a person can no longer PHSYCALLY defend themseleves. Until that point, a fight should NEVER be stopped. Brock was defending himself. he was ROCKED, yes, but he recovered and was able to PHSYCALLY defend himself. Carwin gassed, and THATS what lost him the title. PERIOD!!!

 

[jason_h537]

I like Velasquez but Brock is a beast

 

[JKhrome1ND]

that my freind is bs, you think any other fighter gets that much time getting pounded? you cannot seriously tell me yes. if tables are turned and carwin is on the ground, its ko fight over.

can i get a conspiracy photo up in here!

the ref's tend to let things go a bit longer cause it's a championship fight. but if you watch the fight again, you will notice Carwin throw a ton of punches and only landed a few on Brock's face. Brock was never in real trouble to call the fight !! Now if Brock was out cold and Carwin was teeing off on his face, and Brock couldn't defend himself, then the Ref would have called the fight right away, because that's his job to make sure the fight don't get hurt. Brock's plan A was to take Carwin down for some GnP, that didn't work out cause Carwin landed a solid punch that rocked Lesnar, when they were both standing. So Brock went to plan B, cover up, defned himself, let Carwin gas himself silly, and get Carwin back in round 2, and that's what he did.

What Brock showed in his fight with Carwin is that he can take a hard punch, and he can take a solid ground and pound and not be out of the fight. If Shane landed a punch that Knock Brock Out, then the fight would have been stopped, but he didn't and that's why he lost, cause he gassed himself out by throwing 500 punches and not landing a solid one.

If Cain want's to win this fight he is going to have to pick Brock apart with his striking (punches/kicks), and try to take it into the championship rounds. And not let Brock take him to the ground where Brock just destorys guys (Herring, Couture, Mir I & II,) i was really surprised Brock went for a submission on Carwin, i was really impressed with Brock. But Cain has the cardio Shane didn't have. Shane's problem was he's never been in a fight that went into round 2 or higher, he's always just finished fights right away. Where as cain has been in 3 round wars, he has fought great submisson guys and beat them Nogueira, he has fought tough strikers and beat them Kongo, he has fought big strong guys like Rothwell. I know Brock is one of a kind, this will be Cain's toughest task in his career, but i truly think this will be Brock's toughest task he has ever taken as well.

I actually like both fighters Cain and Brock, but i kinda want Cain to win this fight. I might go to it, since it's just down the street from my house, but i need to get some money togther real quck. hahahhaha

 

[JKhrome1ND]

The winners ................

~ Cain Velasquez def. Brock Lesnar via TKO (punches) - Round 1, 4:01 to become new UFC heavyweight champion

~Jake Shields def. Martin Kampmann via split decision (28-29, 30-27, 29-28).

~Diego Sanchez def. Paulo Thiago via unanimous decision (30-26, 29-28, 29-28).

~Matt Hamill def. Tito Ortiz via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 30-27).

~Brendan Schaub def. Gabriel Gonzaga via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27).

~Court McGee def. Ryan Jensen via submission (arm-triangle choke) -Round 3, 1:21.

~Tom Lawlor def. Patrick Cote via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27).

~Daniel Roberts def. Mike Guymon via submission (anaconda choke) - Round 1, 1:13

~Sam Stout def. Paul Taylor via split decision (29-28, 28-29, 30-27).

~Chris Camozzi def. Dongi Yang via split decision (28-29, 29-28, 29-28).

~ Jon Madsen def. Gilbert Yvel via TKO (punches) - Round 1, 1:48.

Velasquez earned the night's "Knockout of the Night" award, Roberts picked up the "Submission of the Night" bonus, and Sanchez and Thiago shared "Fight of the Night" honors.

 

[JKhrome1ND]

 

[phork]

I was waiting for Ashton Kutcher to come out and tell Lesnar he just got punked.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Sweet...Sanchez trains out of the gym I go to...

 

[JKhrome1ND]

I was waiting for Ashton Kutcher to come out and tell Lesnar he just got punked.

i can't stop laughing