Rudolph and Floyd..

[NDty9]

I spoke to one of the ND players this weekend and he had a positive outlook on both Rudolph and Floyd coming back next year. He was talking about how the NFL scouts have some concerns with Rudolph's hamstring issues, that may be a large enough concern to cause him to stick around. With Floyd he talked about injury issues as well as how concerned his mother is that Floyd get his degree from ND.

Obviously none of this means anything for sure, but it was nice to hear someone from the inside had some positive things to say!

 

[Anchorman]

IMO I'm more worried about losing Rudolph to the draft than Floyd. Rudolph seems as though he is ready in every aspect skill-set wise. There's no denying Floyd's tremendous talent but there are some plays still where you kind of scratch your head. The interception against Navy last year as well as a couple similar things this year stuck in my mind. Another year's worth of refinement in my humble opinion would help him much more than Rudolph.

Will be interesting to see how the potential salary issues with NFL rookies impact it.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

I think anything is possible at this point. I think there is a possibility that both could come back. Obviously with Kyle he is a complete package TE and has alot to offer, but with the injury this season and the NFL season in doubt next year it will be interesting. Michael also has had some injury issues but we all know he is a playmaker too. I could see him come back as well. I think if both of them come back they will have great seasons next year and it could really improve their stock in the draft. Just my two cents worth.

 

[Jerry]

I think Rudolph will come back especially if NFL teams have concerns and his stock drops below the 2nd round.

Floyd on the other hand could really sky rocket to the top of the draft with big games against Utah and SC. I doubt even his Mom could advise him to turn down being drafted in the first round.

 

[mrmiller8]

I don't think either of them will jump to the draft for a couple reasons. Historically ND players have not left early for the draft. Clausen and Tate being exceptions because of the coaching change and coming back for one year in a new system. Obviously the other reason for Rudolph is the Injury, NFL teams don't want to take a a chance on a guy who has had a severe injury in the past until he can prove that he is healthy. With Floyd, I think its an education thing and a commitment to his family to get a degree from Notre Dame. I also Think Floyd has numerous things he can improve upon before jumping to the NFL. Oh yeah and you might want to ask Golden Tate how the NFL is treating him, he may be out of the league in two more years.....

 

[lookingdeadred]

Clausen's early departure

Clausen's early departure

I am not sure Weis being canned had much to do with his decision. Had Weis returned, I doubt Clausen returns. He was never at ND for the education, he came to ND because he believed Weis could prepare him to play on Sundays better than anyone else.

As for Tate's early departure, I think you got it right. It was a mistake to come out early as he is finding out now. Hopefully Floyd is paying attention.

I don't think either of them will jump to the draft for a couple reasons. Historically ND players have not left early for the draft. Clausen and Tate being exceptions because of the coaching change and coming back for one year in a new system. Obviously the other reason for Rudolph is the Injury, NFL teams don't want to take a a chance on a guy who has had a severe injury in the past until he can prove that he is healthy. With Floyd, I think its an education thing and a commitment to his family to get a degree from Notre Dame. I also Think Floyd has numerous things he can improve upon before jumping to the NFL. Oh yeah and you might want to ask Golden Tate how the NFL is treating him, he may be out of the league in two more years.....

 

[Jerry]

Golden's an odd NFL prospect in my eyes. He'll never be a possession receiver being 5-10 so basically he's your deep threat or returner. I would not have drafted him so high. If he would have stayed he wouldn't have all the deep highlight reel catches in this offense and I think his draft stock would have dropped. But it would be nice to see him returning punts this season.

 

[TinyT]

If Tate would have stayed, this offense would have been a nightmare to gameplan for. The only limiting factor would have been Crist's health and progression, but the offensive weapons would have been damn near impossible to stop.

I am drooling just imagining it. Floyd on one side, Tate on the other, Ruldolph split wide or on the line, hard charging Allen in the backfield....yowza!!

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

If Tate would have stayed, this offense would have been a nightmare to gameplan for. The only limiting factor would have been Crist's health and progression, but the offensive weapons would have been damn near impossible to stop.

I am drooling just imagining it. Floyd on one side, Tate on the other, Ruldolph split wide or on the line, hard charging Allen in the backfield....yowza!!

I am drooling at the possibility of both Floyd and Rudy returning next year. We would have our weapons with some experience in the system and we would be hard to stop..., assuming that Crist continues to improve his game as he gets more comfortable.

 

[IrishLax]

I am not sure Weis being canned had much to do with his decision. Had Weis returned, I doubt Clausen returns. He was never at ND for the education, he came to ND because he believed Weis could prepare him to play on Sundays better than anyone else.

As for Tate's early departure, I think you got it right. It was a mistake to come out early as he is finding out now. Hopefully Floyd is paying attention.

So many things here...

First, Clausen and Weis both have said that they talked before Weis was fired and that Weis told Jimmy that "regardless of what happens to me, you should go pro."

Second, Tate was never going to be more than a 2nd round draft choice so he gets an extra year in the NFL by leaving. I fail to see how that was a bad decision.

On Rudy and Floyd, I always thought Rudy would stay another year. TEs do not leave early unless they are such a freak athlete that they will be a mid first round pick... which he is close to but not quite there. Floyd is the rare breed of athlete that could leave early and be a late first round pick or stay, get a degree, and potentially improve into a top 10 pick depending on the other receivers in the class. Neither one of them was ever a sure thing to leave early.

 

[GoIrish41]

If Tate would have stayed, this offense would have been a nightmare to gameplan for. The only limiting factor would have been Crist's health and progression, but the offensive weapons would have been damn near impossible to stop.

I am drooling just imagining it. Floyd on one side, Tate on the other, Ruldolph split wide or on the line, hard charging Allen in the backfield....yowza!!

umm. that was last year's offense. it was a dynamic offense for sure. I am trying to imagine how good this year's offense would be if Jimmy would have stayed another year. that would have been something. Floyd and Tate staying and this year's defense? we would be undefeated.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

umm. that was last year's offense. it was a dynamic offense for sure. I am trying to imagine how good this year's offense would be if Jimmy would have stayed another year. that would have been something. Floyd and Tate staying and this year's defense? we would be undefeated.

That is what I was thinking. I have no doubt about being undefeated either. It didn't happen though. I just hope our talent continues to move forward. I like what is on the horizon!

 

[PANDFAN]

i really think that with BK's coaching and mind set that they believe things could happen as far as contending for a national championship next year! i feel he is challenging floyd which has opened his eyes that he isn't a complete package just yet! and i would agree that the hammy issue with rudolph would be a major concern for drafting a TE high in the draft...all these directions point in them staying

 

[TinyT]

umm. that was last year's offense. it was a dynamic offense for sure. I am trying to imagine how good this year's offense would be if Jimmy would have stayed another year. that would have been something. Floyd and Tate staying and this year's defense? we would be undefeated.

If they Tate had stayed he would have spent a little time in the current strength and conditioning program, which has transformed more than a few current athletes. Allen seems to be even stronger and harder to bring down this year. I think the offense would have been even more dynamic this year, and I bet Tate would have been impossible to stop.

All this said, Tate left early, Clausen left early, and I suppose this thread was about Floyd and Rudolph potentially leaving early.

From what I have read, if a new CBA is approved then there will be a rookie wage scale, meaning the days of millions upon millions of dollars going to unproven players will be over. The incentive to leave will not be as strong.

Couple that with the looming lockout, injury history of both players, the previously stated historic trend of players staying, and I feel that there is a chance both players will stay. In other words, I doubt even they know what they will do.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

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Originally Posted by GoIrish41
umm. that was last year's offense. it was a dynamic offense for sure. I am trying to imagine how good this year's offense would be if Jimmy would have stayed another year. that would have been something. Floyd and Tate staying and this year's defense? we would be undefeated.


That is what I was thinking. I have no doubt about being undefeated either. It didn't happen though. I just hope our talent continues to move forward. I like what is on the horizon!

Sorry guys, I have stated in the "Dis Dayne" thread, and I'll say it here, what you are seeing this year is more spread offense learning curve, than anything Dayne. Jimmy would have had to learn a new offense too. And he is a lot slower than Dayne, so I think a lot of his experience would have been negated. The only chance the offense would have had better numbers than it has (not talking about Tate for a minute), is if Charlie had stayed as coach with all three players. Then this conversation would have been pointless, because we would loose to Navy this week with a nonexistant defense.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Sorry guys, I have stated in the "Dis Dayne" thread, and I'll say it here, what you are seeing this year is more spread offense learning curve, than anything Dayne. Jimmy would have had to learn a new offense too. And he is a lot slower than Dayne, so I think a lot of his experience would have been negated. The only chance the offense would have had better numbers than it has (not talking about Tate for a minute), is if Charlie had stayed as coach with all three players. Then this conversation would have been pointless, because we would loose to Navy this week with a nonexistant defense.

I'm not going to bad mouth Crist. He would do a better job quarterbacking our team than I would. I just think Jimmy has much more experience, spread or not, and would make those throws that Crist hasn't into the end zone and deeper down field. Anyway, it's all hypothetical.

 

[lookingdeadred]

Hmmm

Hmmm

So many things here...

First, Clausen and Weis both have said that they talked before Weis was fired and that Weis told Jimmy that "regardless of what happens to me, you should go pro."

So we are in agreement.

Second, Tate was never going to be more than a 2nd round draft choice so he gets an extra year in the NFL by leaving. I fail to see how that was a bad decision.

As for Tate being no better than a 2nd rounder even if he had stayed, maybe, maybe not. Another year might have allowed him to polish the rough edges in his game (and there are a lot) which would allowed him to make the transition to the pro game more easily. Maybe he does not get drafted any higher, but maybe he would have stood a better chance of playing more.

On Rudy and Floyd, I always thought Rudy would stay another year. TEs do not leave early unless they are such a freak athlete that they will be a mid first round pick... which he is close to but not quite there. Floyd is the rare breed of athlete that could leave early and be a late first round pick or stay, get a degree, and potentially improve into a top 10 pick depending on the other receivers in the class. Neither one of them was ever a sure thing to leave early.

Barring injury (something he has struggled to do), Floyd would seem to be a slam dunk early-to-mid 1st round pick in the 2012 draft. If he comes out for the 2011 draft, maybe he makes it into the 1st round.

 

[lookingdeadred]

Don't forget

Don't forget

Riddick and TJones running wild in the secondary and Wood gashing teams on the ground. They will be a DC's nightmare if Floyd and Rudolph return.

I am drooling at the possibility of both Floyd and Rudy returning next year. We would have our weapons with some experience in the system and we would be hard to stop..., assuming that Crist continues to improve his game as he gets more comfortable.