So, is this what Kelly does against elite teams?

[irishfan]

This was the one complaint I had about Kelly coming in. Guy just hasn't proved that his teams can win against great teams. 0-7 against BCS teams at Central Michigan. 26 point loss against Oklahoma in 2008, 20-7 loss against Va Tech in 2008. Not saying Kelly won't be the real deal, but his track record in his "big" games is not too impressive, and this game certainly makes it look worse.

 

[Riddickulous]

We suck. They don't. There really isn't much else to it.

 

[Junkhead]

Stanford is good, but not elite. An elite team would have dropped us by 40.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

It's not Kelly it is us, we honestly don't have the playmakers for anything to be elite, on defense and offense. When you don't have much to work with... your hands a tied.

 

[irishfan]

Stanford is good, but not elite. An elite team would have dropped us by 40.

I can see that. They only won 8 games last year, but I think they're a 10 or 11 win team this year. Maybe I'm overhyping them, but I guess we'll find out when they play Oregon and USC the next two weeks.

 

[phork]

This was the one complaint I had about Kelly coming in. Guy just hasn't proved that his teams can win against great teams. 0-7 against BCS teams at Central Michigan. 26 point loss against Oklahoma in 2008, 20-7 loss against Va Tech in 2008. Not saying Kelly won't be the real deal, but his track record in his "big" games is not too impressive, and this game certainly makes it look worse.

0-7 against BCS teams at Central Michigan? Interesting stat, but really? Cincinnati probably had the same caliber of player as a CMU. Its game 4 in year one guys.

Stanford is good, but not elite. An elite team would have dropped us by 40.

They could have dropped 60 on us if they didn't chug out 1st downs on the ground like that.

 

[a.van2eman]

looks like another mediocre year.... very inexperienced....... i guess BK is doing a lot better with this group of guys then charlie weis would have ......were looking at 7-5, 8-4 at best ...... i still believe Kelly is the one to turn this team into an elite program

 

[tommyIRISH23]

looks like another mediocre year.... very inexperienced....... i guess BK is doing a lot better with this group of guys then charlie weis would have ......were looking at 7-5, 8-4 at best ...... i still believe Kelly is the one to turn this team into an elite program

So do I. Its just going to take some time, we are furthering behind the curve then we thought.

 

[Riddickulous]

Notre Dame will not be truly effective under Kelly until his recruits start dominating the depth chart, IMO. Once we get some defensive speed and have Lynch and Tuitt leading the way on the DL, that's when we'll get going.

 

[DirtySecret]

looks like another mediocre year.... very inexperienced....... i guess BK is doing a lot better with this group of guys then charlie weis would have ......were looking at 7-5, 8-4 at best ...... i still believe Kelly is the one to turn this team into an elite program

You can't make that agruement.. And NO! I don't see this team fielding 7 wins or even 6. This looks more like a 5 win team but more than likely 4..

 

[a.van2eman]

Notre Dame will not be truly effective under Kelly until his recruits start dominating the depth chart, IMO. Once we get some defensive speed and have Lynch and Tuitt leading the way on the DL, that's when we'll get going.

true... i cant remember the last time we had an athletic defense that could compete against quality teams

 

[IrishJayhawk]

You can't make that agruement.. And NO! I don't see this team fielding 7 wins or even 6. This looks more like a 5 win team but more than likely 4..

A quick reminder:

Rich Rodriguez was 3-8 in his first year at West Virginia (9-4 the next)

Kirk Ferentz was 1-10 in his first year at Iowa (3, 7, 11 wins in the next three)

Bobby Petrino was 5-7 in his first year at Arkansas (8-5 the next, currently ranked #10)

Jim Tressel was 7-5 in his first year at Ohio State (14-0 the next)

Nick Saban was 7-6 in his first year at Alabama (12-2 the next)

Lou Holtz was 5-6 in his first year at Notre Dame (followed by 8-4 and 12-0)

Bob Stoops was 7-5 in his first year at Oklahoma (13-0 the next)

Heck, Jo Pa was 5-5 in his first year at Penn State (albeit during the Lyndon B. Johnson administration)

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Stanford is good, but not elite. An elite team would have dropped us by 40.

I'm not convinced. They might be top 10. I'm perfectly willing to be wrong. But, they are crisp.

 

[ACamp1900]

Stanford is VERY strong... make a case that the winner of the Oregon/Stanford game is not a BCS title game front runner... go ahead, b/c I can't.



as far as this thread goes I think it's vastly unfair... the title should be

"BK loses when he is vastly outgunned... and he lost to Stanford."

 

[a.van2eman]

You can't make that agruement.. And NO! I don't see this team fielding 7 wins or even 6. This looks more like a 5 win team but more than likely 4..

i dont see us losing to tulsa, army, central michigan or navy, and i dont see us losing four in a row(i think were gonna beat BC), pitt sucks this year so i think thats our seven win..... only losing to utah and usc

 

[Riddickulous]

This is a 6 win team, IMO.

We'll beat WMU, Tulsa and Army. Then we'll win two of these five: BC, Pitt, Navy, Utah and USC.

Then we'll eventually win 7 because we'll play some mediocre team from the MAC or the WAC or Conference USA in a bowl, because we will be so overwhelmingly better talent-wise.

 

[kmoose]

Stanford is VERY strong... make a case that the winner of the Oregon/Stanford game is not a BCS title game front runner... go ahead, b/c I can't.

As long as Alabama and Ohio State keep winning, they are the frontrunners. Regardless of who anyone else beats.

 

[neags23]

as far as this thread goes I think it's vastly unfair... the title should be

"BK loses when he is vastly outgunned... and he lost to Stanford."

I agree. ND looked vastly outgunned.

And at what point did Notre Dame start getting outgunned by Stanford? Stanford. I know Harbaugh is a helluva coach. But we've had much better recruiting classes (except 2009, I think, Rivals had Stanford one notch higher than ND).

So why are we so overmatched?

 

[GDomer09]

To quote Billy Madison, "It's Poop again"!!!

 

[GDomer09]

I agree. ND looked vastly outgunned.

And at what point did Notre Dame start getting outgunned by Stanford? Stanford. I know Harbaugh is a helluva coach. But we've had much better recruiting classes (except 2009, I think, Rivals had Stanford one notch higher than ND).

So why are we so overmatched?

The NCAA talent is evening out!!! Stars don't mean **** anymore....too much talent out there.

 

[Riddickulous]

Stanford is VERY strong... make a case that the winner of the Oregon/Stanford game is not a BCS title game front runner... go ahead, b/c I can't.



as far as this thread goes I think it's vastly unfair... the title should be

"BK loses when he is vastly outgunned... and he lost to Stanford."

I agree with this. Stanford is very, very good. Great offensive line, outstanding QB and a very good defense that tackles extremely well. They're a 10-11 win team. I'm not sure their top-tier, Alabama good, but they're close.

I was not encouraged today by our performance, but we will be a bowl eligible team.

 

[ACamp1900]

I agree. ND looked vastly outgunned.

And at what point did Notre Dame start getting outgunned by Stanford? Stanford. I know Harbaugh is a helluva coach. But we've had much better recruiting classes (except 2009, I think, Rivals had Stanford one notch higher than ND).

So why are we so overmatched?

Harbaugh is legit... plain and simpe... and I would say we aren't out gunned now... but bringing up BK's record at CMU??? weak stuff there.

 

[tankjeep]

It's not Kelly it is us, we honestly don't have the playmakers for anything to be elite, on defense and offense. When you don't have much to work with... your hands a tied.

agreed. he's got to break bad habits and poor coaching from the past regime. his hands are full and it's gonna take a while.

 

[DirtySecret]

A quick reminder:

Rich Rodriguez was 3-8 in his first year at West Virginia (9-4 the next)

Kirk Ferentz was 1-10 in his first year at Iowa (3, 7, 11 wins in the next three)

Bobby Petrino was 5-7 in his first year at Arkansas (8-5 the next, currently ranked #10)

Jim Tressel was 7-5 in his first year at Ohio State (14-0 the next)

Nick Saban was 7-6 in his first year at Alabama (12-2 the next)

Lou Holtz was 5-6 in his first year at Notre Dame (followed by 8-4 and 12-0)

Bob Stoops was 7-5 in his first year at Oklahoma (13-0 the next)

Heck, Jo Pa was 5-5 in his first year at Penn State (albeit during the Lyndon B. Johnson administration)

Gee, it's funny how you use D!ck Rodriguez West Virginia years and fail to mention his UofM years in a better conference. Don't give me the Lou Holtz year either, that's nothing more than a smoke screen agruement on the account that Lou had more schollies to give out in the 80s and had more leeway with ND admissions. Who's next, Nick Saban. Again you fail to mention Nick years at MSU and your domer glasses must be on to tight to even realize Nick has oversign his classes every year at Bama..

 

[bjohnmwc]

IMO, the bottom line is this. We lost a top-notch starting QB as well as a top WR, and are playing with a first-year QB under a first-year coach. I know Kelly talked of a "five-minute plan" but the guy has been super optimistic, as he should be...give it a bit. The schedule softens up for a bit (looks like Michigan, M-State, and Stanford are all quality teams) and there's going to be an adjustment to a new system.
I'm not making excuses, and I HATE to watch games like today, but at the same time, we look like what we are -- first-year QB, first-year coach, first-year system playing some quality opponents. We'll be all right.

 

[Irish Rogue]

Until you water down the schedule ala Ohio ST, Mich, among others, you will have a difficult time being in the BCS talk. They are silly for signing up to play Miami and Texas. The most frustrating thing about today was watching
other top 25 teams playing low tiered schools. Wake up swarbrick.

 

[military_irish]

Gee, it's funny how you use D!ck Rodriguez West Virginia years and fail to mention his UofM years in a better conference. Don't give me the Lou Holtz year either, that's nothing more than a smoke screen agruement on the account that Lou had more schollies to give out in the 80s and had more leeway with ND admissions. Who's next, Nick Saban. Again you fail to mention Nick years at MSU and your domer glasses must be on to tight to even realize Nick has oversign his classes every year at Bama..

i don't think the point is how good each coach was at which school.

as more of the point that a team can be terrible one year and completely turn it around the next, especially when it is a coaching change.

 

[DirtySecret]

Until you water down the schedule ala Ohio ST, Mich, among others, you will have a difficult time being in the BCS talk. They are silly for signing up to play Miami and Texas. The most frustrating thing about today was watching
other top 25 teams playing low tiered schools. Wake up swarbrick.

Oh my god, not the water down scheduling arguement, again.. We had a AD who did that in Kevin White and when ND went to BCS bowl or bowls in general they got rocked..

Also watering down the schedule hurts us because ND is not in a conference..

 

[bjohnmwc]

Wisconsin 70 - Austin Peay 3
Michigan State 45 - Northern Colorado 7
Michigan 65 - Bowling Green 21
USC 50 - Washington State 16
Ohio State 73 - East Michigan 20

I could go on, but it's a fact that a lot of those other schools beat up on soft opponents. I know we have to start with some big teams because they don't have the late-season schedule open due to conference play, but still, it's worth mentioning. I'm not in favor of a totally watered-down schedule, but you do have to consider the merits of adding Miami and Texas.

I'd just like for ND to cease being one of those teams that ranked opponents beat up on!

Again, patience...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Gee, it's funny how you use D!ck Rodriguez West Virginia years and fail to mention his UofM years in a better conference. Don't give me the Lou Holtz year either, that's nothing more than a smoke screen agruement on the account that Lou had more schollies to give out in the 80s and had more leeway with ND admissions. Who's next, Nick Saban. Again you fail to mention Nick years at MSU and your domer glasses must be on to tight to even realize Nick has oversign his classes every year at Bama..

I don't know how else to boil it down.
Kelly is a good coach. The whole of college football knows it.
He's recruiting well. The recruiting pundits know it.

He'll win at ND. Sometimes it takes time to implement a system. That's why I cited the 7-8 other elite coaches.

Tha's all. We're coming bcak. Doubt him all you want, but I think Kelly will build a perennial top-10 team at ND.

Let's talk in 3 years. If I'm wrong, Namaste.