Clausen Pre-Season Thread

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

Gruden loves Clausen and he mentioned ND a bunch. That was a truly great peformance for a first NFL game. The sky's the limit. I wish my Broncos would have picked him instead of Tebow.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

let's not get to ahead of ourselves. it was a preseason game against many second and third string players and he did have some concerns. he got killed by a delayed blitz and should have thrown the ball away at least 3 times. he pretty much dunked the ball with a check down. his maturity was what stood out though, good understanding of the game.

great performance though? cmon

 

[no.1IrishFan]

I wouldn't say it was great but it was without a doubt better than most of the rookie QB's first games I've seen. I think he did a good job and I'm sure the staff did too.

 

[]\/[GoBlue]

Thought I'd stop by and say your boy looked good last night! Really, I was impressed. How many of you are now Panther fans now that Jimmy is down there? I know I follow the fins more now that Henne is down there.

 

[We_Are_ND]

Thought I'd stop by and say your boy looked good last night! Really, I was impressed. How many of you are now Panther fans now that Jimmy is down there? I know I follow the fins more now that Henne is down there.

I became a closet Browns fan when Quinn was drafted and now I'm a closet Panthers fan.

 

[TDHeysus]

Thought I'd stop by and say your boy looked good last night! Really, I was impressed.

his decision making was crisp and precise; I think most impressive was how 'in control' he looked. He looked like a 4 year starter out there in terms of how comfortable, and in control he looked. You wont see a rookie QB that was running the spread in college look that comfortable in his NFL debut.

JC scored xtra points when in the 4th qtr, after not being in the game for quite some time, he was caught on camera writing notes on a notepad. He was standing next to (I think cantwell) and all cantwell was doing was picking his nose.


YouTube - Jimmy Clausen Panthers Debut

 

[NDinL.A.]

let's not get to ahead of ourselves. it was a preseason game against many second and third string players and he did have some concerns. he got killed by a delayed blitz and should have thrown the ball away at least 3 times. he pretty much dunked the ball with a check down. his maturity was what stood out though, good understanding of the game.

great performance though? cmon

I wouldn't say great, but I'm MUCH more impressed with it than you. Those 'check downs' are HUGE for a QB. Most rookies don't go through those reads. I watched it on my DVR closely, and on the replays you look at his eyes, and he was going to his 3rd and 4th reads...with pressure all around him! To put that in context, Tim Tebow, IN COLLEGE against COLLEGE defenses, had many plays where he only had ONE read in which he'd either throw it or tuck and run. For a rookie to go through progressions like he did was very impressive.

He also threaded 2-3 passes down the field that were very impressive for their accuracy. And his pre-snap reads, according the Jaws and Gruden, were excellent, as he was reading the defense, and checking to his secondary play. I'd say he did a very good job.

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

NO....I stand by my comment. For the first ever NFL game...that was great. If you need convincing, just check out some other preseason games and the other nfl qb's first ever snaps. No way they duplice what Jimmy did.

 

[dales5050]

The best part for me is the reaction in Charlotte.

I read the comments when he was drafted. 95/100 were negative. As in Moore is gonna be awesome and we do not need a new QB.

Read some stuff today and 90% was positive. As in, he looked good for a rookie.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

His performance was solid yes, but great far from it.

Just think how he would have performed with Jordan Gross in the huddle. Some things are deceiving to the eye, and to say Clausen will win the starting position just by that performance is absurd.

Has Clausen even practiced with the first string players? Not that I am aware of. I guess I am just fuming over people jumping the gun too early.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

I wouldn't say great, but I'm MUCH more impressed with it than you. Those 'check downs' are HUGE for a QB. Most rookies don't go through those reads. I watched it on my DVR closely, and on the replays you look at his eyes, and he was going to his 3rd and 4th reads...with pressure all around him! To put that in context, Tim Tebow, IN COLLEGE against COLLEGE defenses, had many plays where he only had ONE read in which he'd either throw it or tuck and run. For a rookie to go through progressions like he did was very impressive.

He also threaded 2-3 passes down the field that were very impressive for their accuracy. And his pre-snap reads, according the Jaws and Gruden, were excellent, as he was reading the defense, and checking to his secondary play. I'd say he did a very good job.

I noticed the same thing, they kept showing the close up of his eyes and even though there was pressure he did a great job of checking his reads for the best possible throw. If there wasn't anything than he'd hit his checkdown.

 

[NDinL.A.]

His performance was solid yes, but great far from it.

Just think how he would have performed with Jordan Gross in the huddle. Some things are deceiving to the eye, and to say Clausen will win the starting position just by that performance is absurd.

Has Clausen even practiced with the first string players? Not that I am aware of. I guess I am just fuming over people jumping the gun too early.

Why would that get you 'fuming'??? You've been accused of being a troll in the past, and statements like that give those people accusing you of that more ammo. I mean, people are happy with his performance, which, by what 2 FORMER NFLers in the booth BOTH said was excellent, and it gets you 'fuming'?

I can throw that same argument right back at you. Imagine if he wasn't surrounded by rookies? Imagine if his primary WR was Steve Smith and not some no-name rookie? Imagine if his center DIDN'T SCREW UP HIS TIMING with HORRIBLE snaps time and time again (which you conveniently didn't mention when you talked about his poor timing). Imagine if he had Jonathan Stewart as his RB? Imagine if he had his starting offense with him? See, you brought up the fact that he went against 2nd stringers, which is true, but you didn't mention the talent around him...all 2nd and 3rd stringers.

No one here is proclaiming him an all-pro nor even a starter yet. But people who saw his performance have every reason to be very impressed.

 

[irishandy]

I thought Clausen looked decent last night of what I saw, but I'd rather see him in an ND jersey instead. My new favorite NFL team is the Panthers now.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Why would that get you 'fuming'??? You've been accused of being a troll in the past, and statements like that give those people accusing you of that more ammo. I mean, people are happy with his performance, which, by what 2 FORMER NFLers in the booth BOTH said was excellent, and it gets you 'fuming'?

I can throw that same argument right back at you. Imagine if he wasn't surrounded by rookies? Imagine if his primary WR was Steve Smith and not some no-name rookie? Imagine if his center DIDN'T SCREW UP HIS TIMING with HORRIBLE snaps time and time again (which you conveniently didn't mention when you talked about his poor timing). Imagine if he had Jonathan Stewart as his RB? Imagine if he had his starting offense with him? See, you brought up the fact that he went against 2nd stringers, which is true, but you didn't mention the talent around him...all 2nd and 3rd stringers.

No one here is proclaiming him an all-pro nor even a starter yet. But people who saw his performance have every reason to be very impressed.

Unless you're a troll mofo looking for attention....like our friend, Mr. Former Kardashian.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Why would that get you 'fuming'??? You've been accused of being a troll in the past, and statements like that give those people accusing you of that more ammo. I mean, people are happy with his performance, which, by what 2 FORMER NFLers in the booth BOTH said was excellent, and it gets you 'fuming'?

I can throw that same argument right back at you. Imagine if he wasn't surrounded by rookies? Imagine if his primary WR was Steve Smith and not some no-name rookie? Imagine if his center DIDN'T SCREW UP HIS TIMING with HORRIBLE snaps time and time again (which you conveniently didn't mention when you talked about his poor timing). Imagine if he had Jonathan Stewart as his RB? Imagine if he had his starting offense with him? See, you brought up the fact that he went against 2nd stringers, which is true, but you didn't mention the talent around him...all 2nd and 3rd stringers.

No one here is proclaiming him an all-pro nor even a starter yet. But people who saw his performance have every reason to be very impressed.

I could care less about people accusing me of trolling.

I was impressed myself, but people blurting out shit like "he is going to be the starter by week 1" or "no other rookie has had a better first day" is what gets me fuming. JaMarcus Russell had a very solid preseason debut going 6/9. I rest my case.

 

[mgriff]

I could care less about people accusing me of trolling.

I was impressed myself, but people blurting out shit like "he is going to be the starter by week 1" or "no other rookie has had a better first day" is what gets me fuming. JaMarcus Russell had a very solid preseason debut going 6/9. I rest my case.

Well then, you would be a pretty shitty lawyer if blanket statements which do not take into account any variables are your primary source of argument. You only take into account those attributes which support your cause, yet none which could be used as a counterargument. You have every right to be impressed or not, but at any point that the analysis of others gets you "fuming", you need to take a step back and examine your priorities.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I could care less about people accusing me of trolling.

I was impressed myself, but people blurting out shit like "he is going to be the starter by week 1" or "no other rookie has had a better first day" is what gets me fuming. JaMarcus Russell had a very solid preseason debut going 6/9. I rest my case.

Rest your case on what? Did you watch the game that JaMarcus played or are you just a stat rat? It's obvious that everything that we talked about - NONE of which had to due with numbers - is what was impressive about his debut. You talk about #s w/ Russell, which is fine I guess, but that's not what we've been assessing at all.

You talk Russell, I'll talk Peyton Manning. His first ever pass in the pre-season was a TD to Marvin Harrison. He went 8-for-15 for 113 yards. I think he turned out OK, wouldn't you think? Should I rest my case?

Truth is, you 'fuming' over a couple of people getting a little overly excited about JC's performance is odd, considering you call yourself an ND fan and should be happy that JC, by almost all accounts, played VERY well. Most of us here don't think he'll start by game 1, but you're pretty much the only one pissed off that a couple people do.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

In other words....

Trip...trap....trip....trap....

Who's walking across my bridge, said the Troll...

Easy Reg, we can be friends....just come clean brah....

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Rest your case on what? Did you watch the game that JaMarcus played or are you just a stat rat? It's obvious that everything that we talked about - NONE of which had to due with numbers - is what was impressive about his debut. You talk about #s w/ Russell, which is fine I guess, but that's not what we've been assessing at all.

You talk Russell, I'll talk Peyton Manning. His first ever pass in the pre-season was a TD to Marvin Harrison. He went 8-for-15 for 113 yards. I think he turned out OK, wouldn't you think? Should I rest my case?

Truth is, you 'fuming' over a couple of people getting a little overly excited about JC's performance is odd, considering you call yourself an ND fan and should be happy that JC, by almost all accounts, played VERY well. Most of us here don't think he'll start by game 1, but you're pretty much the only one pissed off that a couple people do.

Did not want to turn this into a Jamarcus Russell thread. But if you insist, he make plenty of reads which included a 20 yard scramble. I was more to getting to the point that opposing defenses are simply unwilling to reveal their blitz packages in preseason, especially second and third string.

Clausen, under Jeff Davidson played a similar offense with similar terminology as he did with Weis when in New England.

Also I never said I did not want him to be the starter. Please refer to me where I said that. I said he won't be the starter, pretty big difference. Did you read what I wrote? Or are you just oblivious to reality. He had a solid performance. But Moore won the spot last year with his performance in games that COUNT. Fox is in his last year of his contract will put Clausen in probably if the season tanks. Fox clearly stated that if Moore falters during the season, Clausen will be ready to step in.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Well then, you would be a pretty shitty lawyer if blanket statements which do not take into account any variables are your primary source of argument. You only take into account those attributes which support your cause, yet none which could be used as a counterargument. You have every right to be impressed or not, but at any point that the analysis of others gets you "fuming", you need to take a step back and examine your priorities.

"no one can duplice what Jimmy did"

fuming just thinking about this statement.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Did not want to turn this into a Jamarcus Russell thread. But if you insist, he make plenty of reads which included a 20 yard scramble. I was more to getting to the point that opposing defenses are simply unwilling to reveal their blitz packages in preseason, especially second and third string.

Clausen, under Jeff Davidson played a similar offense with similar terminology as he did with Weis when in New England.

Also I never said I did not want him to be the starter. Please refer to me where I said that. I said he won't be the starter, pretty big difference. Did you read what I wrote? Or are you just oblivious to reality. He had a solid performance. But Moore won the spot last year with his performance in games that COUNT. Fox is in his last year of his contract will put Clausen in probably if the season tanks. Fox clearly stated that if Moore falters during the season, Clausen will be ready to step in.

Oblivious to reality? WTF? Oblivious to the fact that your name is ReggieBush, that you live in L.A., that your sig is about RB, that you've said several troll-like things since joining, and that you're 'fuming' that people dared to say something nice about Jimmy Clausen? I guess I am oblivious to that because you're still here.

And please, show me exactly where I stated that you didn't want JC to be the starter. I'll be waiting. (For a long time obviously.) So before you go slinging insults about being oblivious, you might want to know what the hell you're talking about.

I love the fact that you keep pointing out things that were in Jimmy's favor, yet ignoring things that were working against him (working with nothing but rookies, a back-up offensive line, a center that couldn't snap him the ball to save is life). Your latest thing is that the other team's defense wasn't showing everything they'll show in the regular season, especially blitz packages. Well, first of all, they did blitz Jimmy...a lot. You even admitted that in earlier posts, which obviously you are oblivious to. And 2nd of all, that works for the offense as well. The offenses are very vanilla, b/c they aren't going to show too much in the preseason. It works both ways.

Regardless, I'm not advocating JC start...never have. I'm just laughing that you are a ND fan (allegedly), but you are 'fuming' b/c one ND fan had the nerve to get a little overzealous saying that JC will be starting game 1. We all know that Moore earned the starting role and will stay there, and that benefits JC more than anything.

Anyway, like HCTI said, why not just come out of the closet and be straight up about it, and not front about your trollness???

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Clausen could be the starter by 2011 even if Moore has a very good year like he should.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Oblivious to reality? WTF? Oblivious to the fact that your name is ReggieBush, that you live in L.A., that your sig is about RB, that you've said several troll-like things since joining, and that you're 'fuming' that people dared to say something nice about Jimmy Clausen? I guess I am oblivious to that because you're still here.

And please, show me exactly where I stated that you didn't want JC to be the starter. I'll be waiting. (For a long time obviously.) So before you go slinging insults about being oblivious, you might want to know what the hell you're talking about.

I love the fact that you keep pointing out things that were in Jimmy's favor, yet ignoring things that were working against him (working with nothing but rookies, a back-up offensive line, a center that couldn't snap him the ball to save is life). Your latest thing is that the other team's defense wasn't showing everything they'll show in the regular season, especially blitz packages. Well, first of all, they did blitz Jimmy...a lot. You even admitted that in earlier posts, which obviously you are oblivious to. And 2nd of all, that works for the offense as well. The offenses are very vanilla, b/c they aren't going to show too much in the preseason. It works both ways.

Regardless, I'm not advocating JC start...never have. I'm just laughing that you are a ND fan (allegedly), but you are 'fuming' b/c one ND fan had the nerve to get a little overzealous saying that JC will be starting game 1. We all know that Moore earned the starting role and will stay there, and that benefits JC more than anything.

Anyway, like HCTI said, why not just come out of the closet and be straight up about it, and not front about your trollness???

Okay bro you can have the last word.

I am not a fan, I just buy ND apparel and Lou Holtz books just for the hell of it. You know everything.

 

[TDHeysus]

JaMarcus Russell had a very solid preseason debut going 6/9.

Thanks for the laugh.....here is the book on JRUSS. He was a physically gifted athlete from a young age. He dominated the opposition by being bigger, stronger, and faster. it worked thru college but he hit a wall in the nfl. At that point, his physical attributes were no longer far superior than the competition. he needed to develop as a quaterback, and he literally had zero progression as a QB. If the primary receiver was covered, JRUSS immediately checked down to his TE. If the TE was covered it was a either a sack, a sack and a fumble, an interceptoin, or if the raiders were lucky, an incomplete pass.

I remember when JRUSS held out his first year till like the 12 week of the season, came into the game and his first raider pass was picked off - it was a sign of things to come. Even with 1 preseason appearance(not even a start) JC has shown he has more QB skills than JRUSS ever did. (look at Clausens pass to Rosario, JRUSS never had the skills to complete a pass that required anticipation AND accuracy on the same throw.)

If you watched clausen debut, and this is not a overstatment by any means, he is light years ahead of JRUSS (even today).

Anyone surprised by Clausens performance thursday, never watched him play last year. Because I saw the same guy doing the same things he did last year. Excpet this time the competition was better.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Okay bro you can have the last word.

I am not a fan, I just buy ND apparel and Lou Holtz books just for the hell of it. You know everything.

Well, it was fun while it lasted huh Reggie? Now you can 'fume' with all your other Trogan bandwagon jumpers over how JC had a good opening performance. We gave you a lot of rope for a troll, I'll admit that. To the rest of the board members, I apologize for sniffing this clown out earlier.

Good luck to your Trojams. Sorry about your sanctions. Oh wait, I'm not sorry...you guys deserved it.

And don't worry, we're sure you'll have another user name up in a second. 200 posts of nonsense in just over a month. Ugh...

 

[NDinL.A.]

Okay bro you can have the last word.

I am not a fan, I just buy ND apparel and Lou Holtz books just for the hell of it. You know everything.

Well, it was fun while it lasted huh Reggie? Now you can 'fume' with all your other Trogan bandwagon jumpers over how JC had a good opening performance. We gave you a lot of rope for a troll, I'll admit that. To the rest of the board members, I apologize for sniffing this clown out earlier. The best thing about this clown is that he claimed to be an alumnus in another thread LOL. Sure buddy, sure.

Good luck to your Trojams. Sorry about your sanctions. Oh wait, I'm not sorry...you guys deserved it.

And don't worry, we're sure you'll have another user name up in a second. 200 posts in a month shows how addicted you are to the Irish.

 

[Riddickulous]

Well, it was fun while it lasted huh Reggie? Now you can 'fume' with all your other Trogan bandwagon jumpers over how JC had a good opening performance. We gave you a lot of rope for a troll, I'll admit that. To the rest of the board members, I apologize for sniffing this clown out earlier.

Good luck to your Trojams. Sorry about your sanctions. Oh wait, I'm not sorry...you guys deserved it.

And don't worry, we're sure you'll have another user name up in a second. 200 posts of nonsense in just over a month. Ugh...

I was calling troll as soon as he got here, as soon as he called another poster a dumbass for cracking a joke about his username. His avatar was making fun of Golden Tate.

 

[KPENN]

I was calling troll as soon as he got here, as soon as he called another poster a dumbass for cracking a joke about his username. His avatar was making fun of Golden Tate.

Me to. I go out drinking last night and I miss that dumbass getting banned. Damn it all, but glad he's gone

 

[NDinL.A.]

I was calling troll as soon as he got here, as soon as he called another poster a dumbass for cracking a joke about his username. His avatar was making fun of Golden Tate.

Yeah, I dropped the ball on this one. My troll-radar was goi9ng off, but I gave him some rope when I should've dropped his arse right away. My favorite line from him, besides pretending he was an alum (and later admitting he was a fan), was saying that his he was going out on a limb saying Rocket his favorite player. His exact quote: "Disagree. Rocket is my all time favorite ND player. Yeah I said it." Oooooohhhhh, he 'said it'. Don't step too far off that limb Reggie.

Me to. I go out drinking last night and I miss that dumbass getting banned. Damn it all, but glad he's gone

It just happened, 'cause I just got home and saw his pathetic reply/user name. You know a guy is stupid/defeated when he uses JaMarcus Russell (!!!!!) as his evidence for his argument, and then acts like a child when he gets pwned by several others.

But yeah, you didn't miss it by much.

 

[TDHeysus]

Okay bro you can have the last word.

"They all want to be Irish."