Football Scholarships and Recruiting

[IrishLax]

I don't get it... if he's ranked the #2 OG offer him and see if he can play center or have him redshirt or whatever.... why not get him on the team?

I understand not offering some of the lesser RBs (yet) or other similar positions where we have depth... but with a young OL get the elite athletes first and figure out where they fit later.

 

[jason_h537]

I don't get it... if he's ranked the #2 OG offer him and see if he can play center or have him redshirt or whatever.... why not get him on the team?

I understand not offering some of the lesser RBs (yet) or other similar positions where we have depth... but with a young OL get the elite athletes first and figure out where they fit later.

Limited room, i thik we only have gauranteed spots for 17 or 18 kids currently and we need DE, OT, and Secondary

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah I mean I understand the limited room argument but contrary to a lot of popular belief most successful schools (read: SEC schools) over-recruit every year and then cut scholarships from the players who aren't performing. While I applaud that Notre Dame never does anything like that... I feel like we could at least push the envelope a little bit with how few elite recruits we got last year.

 

[TerryTate]

Yeah I mean I understand the limited room argument but contrary to a lot of popular belief most successful schools (read: SEC schools) over-recruit every year and then cut scholarships from the players who aren't performing. While I applaud that Notre Dame never does anything like that... I feel like we could at least push the envelope a little bit with how few elite recruits we got last year.

I agree, I wish we could take every 4 Star recruit with interest, but we're slim with scholarships at the moment. We got our big guard commit with Hanratty who's actually the #3 OG per Scout.

As Jason mentioned, we need OT, DE, and Secondary. I'd prefer to see our offers go to the defensive side of the ball.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Yeah I mean I understand the limited room argument but contrary to a lot of popular belief most successful schools (read: SEC schools) over-recruit every year and then cut scholarships from the players who aren't performing. While I applaud that Notre Dame never does anything like that... I feel like we could at least push the envelope a little bit with how few elite recruits we got last year.

I feel you, but slippery slope my man. Who do you kick off the team and out of ND? We're all about the ENTIRE individual...football, education, life, everything. How are you going to tell a kid's family, "He'll not only play football but there's a 96% chance he'll graduate and get a GREAT education as well. Compare that to other schools." And then when the coaching staff realizes THEY made a mistake in assessing his talent and/or his drive, tell the kid, "thanks but no thanks" and gently nudge him out the door? Thew great thing about ND is that it is NOT the SEC, it is NOT U$C, etc. Yes, it takes away from the football at times, and gives us a higher mountain to climb, but that's the price of integrity I guess. I think we finally have a coach in place that will still do it with integrity...and WIN. At least. that's what I hope for...

 

[BGIF]

Yeah I mean I understand the limited room argument but contrary to a lot of popular belief most successful schools (read: SEC schools) over-recruit every year and then cut scholarships from the players who aren't performing. While I applaud that Notre Dame never does anything like that... I feel like we could at least push the envelope a little bit with how few elite recruits we got last year.

"... most successful schools (read: SEC schools) over-recruit every year and then cut scholarships from the players who aren't performing."

Over recruit then kick kids off of scholarship.

Since the SWC imploded over recruiting cheating, the SEC hands down has the most NCAA recruiting violations, probations, and abuse.

What next, graduate 38% of student athletes and 50% of the rest of the student body like the SEC does?

Recruit JUCOs who couldn't meet the NCAA minimum requirements, much less ND's like the SEC does?

Maybe Free Sneakers from the local booster store, Free Tires, Run the Steps for DUI's and Girl Friend Beaters, Fix Tickets, Waive Bar Cover Charges, Football Dorms, Fudged Grades, $100 Handshakes ...

Emulate the SEC?

Did you really graduate from Notre Dame?

 

[jason_h537]

Yeah I mean I understand the limited room argument but contrary to a lot of popular belief most successful schools (read: SEC schools) over-recruit every year and then cut scholarships from the players who aren't performing. While I applaud that Notre Dame never does anything like that... I feel like we could at least push the envelope a little bit with how few elite recruits we got last year.

Another thing is that ND only recruits players that can be admitted to school. Alabama had i believe 3 commits who did not qualify academically and ended up at JC's. The rule is 85 so why mess with kids emotions because at Notre Dame they are truly Student Athletes.

 

[IrishLax]

"... most successful schools (read: SEC schools) over-recruit every year and then cut scholarships from the players who aren't performing."

Over recruit then kick kids off of scholarship.

Since the SWC imploded over recruiting cheating, the SEC hands down has the most NCAA recruiting violations, probations, and abuse.

What next, graduate 38% of student athletes and 50% of the rest of the student body like the SEC does?

Recruit JUCOs who couldn't meet the NCAA minimum requirements, much less ND's like the SEC does?

Maybe Free Sneakers from the local booster store, Free Tires, Run the Steps for DUI's and Girl Friend Beaters, Fix Tickets, Waive Bar Cover Charges, Football Dorms, Fudged Grades, $100 Handshakes ...

Emulate the SEC?

Did you really graduate from Notre Dame?

With all due respect, I feel you grossly misread what I was saying. In no way, shape or form am I advocating us becoming Alabama. What I am saying is that last year we signed a number of people to scholarships that, frankly, probably should not have gotten offers without proving themselves first (best example is a kid like Heggie... might be a great player some day but as a 2 star recruit there is no reason BK needed to give him a full scholarship before he even takes a practice snap). I feel that making these kinds of players compete for their scholarships against potentially better players in this class is HARDLY un-Notre Dame and here is why:

Kids like Mike Anello had to earn their scholarships and so does literally almost every other athlete in a non-revenue sport. My roommate freshman year was one of the top soccer recruits in the country and came in on no scholarship because what they could offer him through financial aid was better. Same deal with my best friend's sister who has been a solid player on the #1/#2 women's soccer team for three years... she is just now getting a big scholarship her senior season.

Why do you think our lax, soccer and hockey teams have competed for championships over the past 4 years but our football team has sucked? Because in those sports we do it the right way and in football we haven't. I'm NOT saying over-recruit 10 kids a year.. what I'm saying is that if when all is said and done if we have over-recruited by 1 or 2 kids it is FAR from the end of the world and there are plenty of ways to still give a kid financial assistance even if he's not on scholarship.

Simply put, you make it sound like what I'm saying is "sacrifice ND integrity, academics, graduation rates and everything we stand for in pursuit of winning." What I'm actually saying is "if you see players who can help your team and the ONLY reason you're not offering them is because you're afraid of going a scholarship or two over... give them the offer and you can figure out ways to deal with going a scholarship or two over if it comes to it."

I hope that clarifies my stance.

 

[mokpra37]

3-4 scholarships left..unless..

3-4 scholarships left..unless..

I keep a record of the players on scholarship and how many years of elligability they have. Here is what I have.

With the recruits that have already verballed and all fifth years returning next year, there would be 82 players on scholarship.

I believe their will be at least a combination of two spots open up from the following:
1. Players that have a fifth year of elligability but do not play the fifth year for what ever reason.
2. Transfers
3. Players turning pro early (For the record, I am in the minority and will be very surpised if Floyd or Rudolph turn pro early.)

So, we have three spots left, and probably two more will open up as I have explained. That gives ND a total of five scholarships to use.

The needs are a WR, a DB, and either an offensive or defensive lineman. The extra two positions will go to the best players that want to come of guys like Huggins, Williams, Tuitt, Daniels, Schuller and so forth, if in fact those spots do open up.

If in fact five more players come, I would like to see
2 WR
1 OL/DE (If DE then Corrico or Springmann play offensive tackle. I think both could be very successful as OTs.)
1 DB (Prefering a fast, hard hitting safety)
1 either RB if Huggins wants to come or another DE.