Floyd Heisman?

[DCirishfan]

I think he will get in the discussion. He will have an ass of balls thrown his way all year and will end up having crabtree like stats. What say the masses?

 

[Riddickulous]

People overestimate Kelly's "pass happy" offense. They had more rushing yards than we did last year. His starting quarterbacks usually finish in the 2,900-3,100 yard range.

Floyd's production will not skyrocket, it's going to end up around 1,000 yards, not 1,500 or 2,000 as some believe.

If that isn't enough for you:

Michael Crabtree stats, 2007:

134 catches
1,962 yards
22 TDs
New York invite: No

Dez Bryant stats, 2008:

87 catches
1,480 yards
19 TDs
New York invite: No

Golden Tate stats, 2009 (widely considered a "down year" for the Heisman, the leader changing almost every week)

93 catches
1,496 yards
15 TDs
2 rushing TDs
1 PR TD
New York invite: No

He'll need like 2,000 yards and 20 TDs to even make it to NY.

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

Floyd healthy and Notre Dame winning . You really have to have huge year for wide out to get it . The system here spreads it out alot. He's most likely gone after this year if he wins it so even if there is a 10% chance he comes back if doesnt I rather he doesn't.(I'm selfish Floyd you rock man )

 

[Junkhead]

I also don't think any one WR at ND will get the stats for Heisman consideration. Floyd may not even be targeted as much as last 2 years. What we do know is that he will make the most of his opportunities, and continue to grow my man crush.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Not a chance. There are a shitload of talent at WR this year with Julio Jones, Jonathan Baldwin, Damaryius Thomas, and AJ Green all very good receivers. Plus, it is very hard for a wide receiver to win the Heisman. I think that last person WR to win a heisman was Charles Woodson and he returned punts as well. Desmond Howard also returned punts.

I doubt any of the players I listed above will win. Most likely a QB or RB.

 

[Riddickulous]

Not a chance. There are a shitload of talent at WR this year with Julio Jones, Jonathan Baldwin, Damaryius Thomas, and AJ Green all very good receivers. Plus, it is very hard for a wide receiver to win the Heisman. I think that last person WR to win a heisman was Charles Woodson and he returned punts as well. Desmond Howard also returned punts.

I doubt any of the players I listed above will win. Most likely a QB or RB.

Julio Jones is hugely overrated, Baldwin will not put up the numbers and his team will not get him a lot of attention, Thomas is in the NFL, and Green does not play in an offense that passes too often and is breaking in a new quarterback. Needless to say, I still think Floyd has no real chance.

And Woodson was a cornerback. I thought that was common knowledge.

Yes, Howard did return punts. So did Tim Brown.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

People overestimate Kelly's "pass happy" offense. They had more rushing yards than we did last year. His starting quarterbacks usually finish in the 2,900-3,100 yard range.

Floyd's production will not skyrocket, it's going to end up around 1,000 yards, not 1,500 or 2,000 as some believe.

If that isn't enough for you:

Michael Crabtree stats, 2007:

134 catches
1,962 yards
22 TDs
New York invite: No

Dez Bryant stats, 2008:

87 catches
1,480 yards
19 TDs
New York invite: No

Golden Tate stats, 2009 (widely considered a "down year" for the Heisman, the leader changing almost every week)

93 catches
1,496 yards
15 TDs
2 rushing TDs
1 PR TD
New York invite: No

He'll need like 2,000 yards and 20 TDs to even make it to NY.

To be fair, the first two in your model were known head cases. Hell, Bryant was suspended a year later so I guess they got that one right. Tate wasn't invited because he was up against arguably the best and deepest QB classes in the history of college football, Suh from Nebraska who was the best defensive player of the year and the running back from the National Championship team. He was never going to get an invite. There's no rhyme or reason as to how players get invites.... It's all objective as to what type man those old farts want representing their "Good ol' Boy" club...

Does Floyd have a chance...of course. Is it likely....probably not.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Julio Jones is hugely overrated, Baldwin will not put up the numbers and his team will not get him a lot of attention, Thomas is in the NFL, and Green does not play in an offense that passes too often and is breaking in a new quarterback. Needless to say, I still think Floyd has no real chance.

And Woodson was a cornerback. I thought that was common knowledge.

Yes, Howard did return punts. So did Tim Brown.

Bwahahahahahahahaha......Well played. Ol' Reg and that other moron that posts nothing but buttercups and rainbow dreams about Dion Lewis would have figured that out, but they're too busy swinging from Wanny's and Kiffy's short Hairs.

By the way, I think Rosie Greer got screwed by the Heisman committee his senior year at the University of Buffalo when he was the wedge buster.

Dude had game.... (Where did Rosie Greer go to school anyways???) lol

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

Bwahahahahahahahaha......Well played. Ol' Reg and that other moron that posts nothing but buttercups and rainbow dreams about Dion Lewis would have figured that out, but they're too busy swinging from Wanny's and Kiffy's short Hairs.

By the way, I think Rosie Greer got screwed by the Heisman committee his senior year at the University of Buffalo when he was the wedge buster.

Dude had game.... (Where did Rosie Greer go to school anyways???) lol

penn state

 

[BearGB]

I think he will get in the discussion. He will have an ass of balls thrown his way all year and will end up having crabtree like stats. What say the masses?

I've never heard that expression... but I kinda like it...

 

[calvegas04]

I think Rudolph will have a great season and he would be our heisman player to watch for.

 

[military_irish]

there is the Biletnikoff award for the best WR, so in that case they feel they don't need to show them much respect in the Heisman race. now a days its between a QB or RB, thats it and most of the time, its the most popular, not neccesarily the best one. so in that case the Heisman really means nothing these days

 

[GreatGolson]

I hate to say it but if Floyd puts up heisman numbers and the irish have a BCS worthy record, the credit would probably go to Crist.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Julio Jones is hugely overrated, Baldwin will not put up the numbers and his team will not get him a lot of attention, Thomas is in the NFL, and Green does not play in an offense that passes too often and is breaking in a new quarterback. Needless to say, I still think Floyd has no real chance.

And Woodson was a cornerback. I thought that was common knowledge.

Yes, Howard did return punts. So did Tim Brown.

I think Baldwin is the best WR in CFB. He makes crazy plays, has the best hands, and will probably be the first WR chosen in the draft because of his athletic ability. The dude is like 6'5 and has like a 44" vertical.

Yes, Woodson primarily won it for defense, but he did play WR occasionally so technically he was the last WR to win it.

I think Floyd would have to average 100 ypg, 15 TD's and ND has to at least go 10-2 and make it to a BCS. If he puts up those type numbers, he will get consideration and still probably lose out to a QB or RB.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Bwahahahahahahahaha......Well played. Ol' Reg and that other moron that posts nothing but buttercups and rainbow dreams about Dion Lewis would have figured that out, but they're too busy swinging from Wanny's and Kiffy's short Hairs.

By the way, I think Rosie Greer got screwed by the Heisman committee his senior year at the University of Buffalo when he was the wedge buster.

Dude had game.... (Where did Rosie Greer go to school anyways???) lol

He played WR also, I thought that was common knowledge.

 

[jason_h537]

He played WR also, I thought that was common knowledge.

He played some WR but he WAS a CB

and No Floyd will not win the Heisman. Tate could have been invited if ND won last year but he returned punts and some kicks as well. It is way too hard for a WR to win the Heisman because it is a dependent position

 

[IrishGiant]

it's funny I was talking to someone today about next season. They are not a ND fan, but were asking who to look for. The first person who popped into my mind was Floyd. He may not be considered for the Heisman, but boy is he good! He is a big-play receiver, who I feel will eclipse Golden Tate. Maybe not in sheer numbers at ND, but certainly in the NFL. I just got a feeling about this kid. I think he is the real deal, and is getting better every year. His numbers may suffer a bit as far as per game avg. with Clausen gone to Carolina, but I think he will be even better this year. I'm really looking foward to seeing #3 make some crazy moves while burning up the sidelines this year.

 

[Riddickulous]

I think Baldwin is the best WR in CFB. He makes crazy plays, has the best hands, and will probably be the first WR chosen in the draft because of his athletic ability. The dude is like 6'5 and has like a 44" vertical.

Baldwin is not the best WR in CFB. The dude fell flat on his face in the second half against Cincinatti, specifically when they needed a score to get the lead back when Cinci tied the game in the middle of the fourth. He had one catch for 17 yards against Rutgers, and one catch for five yards against Syracuse, then finished the 2009 season by getting shut down by the best defense in the nation: North Carolina (3 catches, 31 yards). He may be crazy athletic and he may have great ups, but he is simply not that fast and not a dominant receiver. Against a fast and aggressive UNC defense, he couldn't dominate. He does not have the top end speed and has trouble separating. He will probably run in the the late 4.5/early 4.6 range and that will drop him down draft boards. Green and Floyd are better.

 

[chadder20]

The only way a WR gets into the Heisman running is if they have a ton of YAC's, rushing yards, and great kick return yards. Floyd has none of this going for him currently and I doubt he will this year. He is a stud receiver though, but it just takes too much for a WR to get invited let alone win. In addition to all of the above, he has a great receiving corps that he is going to share a lot of the passing yards with. I love Kelly, but from a Heisman standpoint, he is a team mentality person, not a one player takes everything, which will make it very difficult for anyone from ND besides the QB to even get talked about.

 

[johnnykillz]

I think Baldwin is the best WR in CFB. He makes crazy plays, has the best hands, and will probably be the first WR chosen in the draft because of his athletic ability. The dude is like 6'5 and has like a 44" vertical.

Yes, Woodson primarily won it for defense, but he did play WR occasionally so technically he was the last WR to win it.

I think Floyd would have to average 100 ypg, 15 TD's and ND has to at least go 10-2 and make it to a BCS. If he puts up those type numbers, he will get consideration and still probably lose out to a QB or RB.

Reggie Bush, how can you seriously claim to be an Irish fan? Thats like a man named Lucifer going to church son... (The devil never misses a service, momma says)

Regardless, did you know that you claimed 100 ypg would be good enough to make heisman? 100 ypg * 12 games = 1200 yards for the season. This is a great amount, but something EASILY achievable. So is 10-2 for the Irish. Unlikely but attainable. Lastly, 10-2 will get us into BCS land but ND needs NC status to quench the haters for winning a Heisman.

I do think Heisman talk for Floyd will happen, but it's only smoke and mirrors though. We'll be hard pressed for him to make the trip. Even with the stats you think needed to capture it plus 500 yards total.

You really gotta change that name. I'll donate the vBucks needed to complete such a transaction. Let me know when you're ready for the procedure.

 

[Rocket89]

I know one thing, if Floyd comes back from an injury, Kelly won't have Crist throw 30 balls his way in an effort to prove to the world what a great player Floyd is and what a great coach he thinks he is.

That's how Weis genuinely thought sometimes and it manifested itself in the Navy game last year.

The emergence of Evans, Jones and possibly a couple others will take away a good chunk of the balls that normally would be thrown to Floyd.

 

[IrishTimer]

Tate was a victim of Notre Dame's dissappointing season last year as well. Had Notre Dame been 9-3 or 10-2 both him and Clausen could have very well been invited to New York.

It wasn't so much some sort of anti WR bias that kept Tate away...more so Notre Dame blowing goats in November.

 

[phork]

If your name isn't QB or RB, then chances are you don't have a chance.

 

[Riddickulous]

If your name isn't QB or RB, then chances are you don't have a chance.

I don't think there's a player alive named QB or RB.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Wide receivers don't win the Heisman. Period.

 

[IrishTimer]

Wide receivers don't win the Heisman. Period.

Tim Brown disagrees.

 

[GoingGreen]

I don't think there's anyway that he'll win the Heisman. I'd like to see him get an invite to New York, but I think that's pretty unlikely too. Don't get me wrong, he's an outstanding Wide Reciever, but it's just too hard for WR's to get to New York let alone win the Heisman. I do think that he'll make it two straight Biletnikoff's for the Irish though.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Reggie Bush, how can you seriously claim to be an Irish fan? Thats like a man named Lucifer going to church son... (The devil never misses a service, momma says)

Regardless, did you know that you claimed 100 ypg would be good enough to make heisman? 100 ypg * 12 games = 1200 yards for the season. This is a great amount, but something EASILY achievable. So is 10-2 for the Irish. Unlikely but attainable. Lastly, 10-2 will get us into BCS land but ND needs NC status to quench the haters for winning a Heisman.

I do think Heisman talk for Floyd will happen, but it's only smoke and mirrors though. We'll be hard pressed for him to make the trip. Even with the stats you think needed to capture it plus 500 yards total.

You really gotta change that name. I'll donate the vBucks needed to complete such a transaction. Let me know when you're ready for the procedure.

First off, Reggie Bush single handedly brought down the USC football program and is the most hated USC player right now. I heard from my neighbor (USC fan) that they removed his Heisman from Heritage Hall because people might have stolen it due to their angst against him. USC fans are going bonkers right now and it makes me like Reggie Bush that much more. He basically screwed the team, the school, and the fans.

Second, did you read what I said. I said even if he had those stats he probably would only get consideration. I don't know where I stated that he would likely win the Heisman with those stats.

I will change my name if it makes people that angry. HAHAHA. Like I said, I did it as a joke. Anyone know how I can change my screen name? Do I contact an admin? Because obviously fans around here do not have a sense of humor.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Baldwin is not the best WR in CFB. The dude fell flat on his face in the second half against Cincinatti, specifically when they needed a score to get the lead back when Cinci tied the game in the middle of the fourth. He had one catch for 17 yards against Rutgers, and one catch for five yards against Syracuse, then finished the 2009 season by getting shut down by the best defense in the nation: North Carolina (3 catches, 31 yards). He may be crazy athletic and he may have great ups, but he is simply not that fast and not a dominant receiver. Against a fast and aggressive UNC defense, he couldn't dominate. He does not have the top end speed and has trouble separating. He will probably run in the the late 4.5/early 4.6 range and that will drop him down draft boards. Green and Floyd are better.

Many people have NFL draft in this order:

1. AJ Green
2. Julio Jones
3. Jonathan Baldwin
4. Michael Floyd
5. Ryan Broyles

Some even have that kid Toliver from LSU before Floyd.

Also, Floyd (4.49) and Baldwin (4.50) run pretty much the same speed like many bigger receivers. I believe Julio Jones is the only larger WR that runs closer to 4.4.

 

[jason_h537]

Many people have NFL draft in this order:

1. AJ Green
2. Julio Jones
3. Jonathan Baldwin
4. Michael Floyd
5. Ryan Broyles

Some even have that kid Toliver from LSU before Floyd.

Also, Floyd (4.49) and Baldwin (4.50) run pretty much the same speed like many bigger receivers. I believe Julio Jones is the only larger WR that runs closer to 4.4.

Julio Jones is all hype. He is was not even the besy reciever on his team last year. He is a glorified TE with no speed and i have yet to see him make any play that made me stop and go wow.

AJ Green probobly the best WR in the country absolute freak.

Michael Floyd is right up there but has been hurt by injuries and playing with Golden Tate

Baldwin is good but no i do not put him in the Green/Floyd catagory