SI article on ND and expansion

[Easton Pa ND Fan]

Whoa!...

Whoa!...

So then they do have a contract, seeing as how being part of the Big10 they nailed down $22M? Separately no, collectively yes. I understand it just fine thanks. None of those teams, aside from maybe UM, could demand their own deal.



That is the other point.. Of course the revenue would be shared, but instead of $22M they get say $25M. Like I said, its a win-win for everyone and little pot sweetener to get ND in to the Big10.

The individual Big10 schools do not each get $22m.
That means the tv revenue would have to be 11 x $22m or $242m!!

Big10 needs another school, as a minimum, to form two
divisions or have a better playoff system.

Three additional teams would add clout for tv viewing
and revenue.

 

[FrankMA]

The individual Big10 schools do not each get $22m.
That means the tv revenue would have to be 11 x $22m or $242m!!

Big10 needs another school, as a minimum, to form two
divisions or have a better playoff system.

Three additional teams would add clout for tv viewing
and revenue.

Yes, additional teams, especially in new TV markets, would expand demand for the big 10 network into these new markets and therefore, would create new revenue as would the addition of the big ten championship game.

 

[phork]

ESPN’s Outside the Lines reported last week that the Big Ten is currently making $242 million per year in TV revenue which is split equally among the 11 schools, meaning that everyone from Michigan to Northwestern is taking in $22 million per year. Think about that for a second: the vaunted Notre Dame was the #1 TV revenue maker in the entire country up until just a few years ago, yet it’s now only #3 in its own home state behind Purdue and Indiana (and less than half as much of each, at that).

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[wakeuptheechoes]

The individual Big10 schools do not each get $22m.
That means the tv revenue would have to be 11 x $22m or $242m!!

Big10 needs another school, as a minimum, to form two
divisions or have a better playoff system.

Three additional teams would add clout for tv viewing
and revenue.

Evidently, you did not read the article itself: Her is a excerpt:
...The 1991 move may also have planted a seed in the mind of a much younger Jim Delany that eventually, a powerful college sports entity could support its own television network. Delany, the Big Ten commissioner, drew ridicule and resistance when he unveiled his plan a few years ago to create the Big Ten Network. Now, that network provides a hefty chunk of the estimated $22 million the league pays annually to each member school, and it is the engine that will drive any expansion. In fact, the very possibility of the Big Ten Network changing the game came up when Swarbrick interviewed with Jenkins for the AD job two years ago.

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As you do add, other schools will add TV revenue to the contract; ND because of its huge following across the U.S. and Nebraska and Missouri in with their huge following in the state and regional area. If Pittsburg was added then they would pick up the other half of PA football fans in a very populous state.

The more I consider the benefits, the more I think that a lot of people need to put their ego aside about being independent. For years ND did not need the conferences to make money. In fact at bowl games the conferences needed them and their fans to tune in. This is why special bowl selection rules were made to accomodate ND. ND used to make more money from football than entire conferences. This is no longer the case. And what benefit to the team does being independent bring? Does it make us win more? If we join a conference will they do away with the Golden Dome? We can still keep our tradition and our history and lore and even our Golden Dome even if we were in a conference. We would just have more money for the school. Going from 9 Million to 22+ million would be like adding another 1-1/2 football teams to the university as far a financial reward.

 

[FrankMA]

The more I consider the benefits, the more I think that a lot of people need to put their ego aside about being independent. For years ND did not need the conferences to make money. In fact at bowl games the conferences needed them and their fans to tune in. This is why special bowl selection rules were made to accomodate ND. ND used to make more money from football than entire conferences. This is no longer the case. And what benefit to the team does being independent bring? Does it make us win more? If we join a conference will they do away with the Golden Dome? We can still keep our tradition and our history and lore and even our Golden Dome even if we were in a conference. We would just have more money for the school. Going from 9 Million to 22+ million would be like adding another 1-1/2 football teams to the university as far a financial reward.

A few counter points:
1. ND gets the $9 million from its own TV contract. They make additional revenue from TV when they are on the road and on ABC, ESPN, or other networks. In addition they make money from any Bowl game they play in. Money they do not split with other conference teams. So their TV football revenue is much higher than $9 million.
2. ND is on national TV basically every week-either at home on their network or on the road on other networks. This will not be the case in a conference. They lose a big recruiting advantage by joining a conference because they lose all that TV exposure.
3. Because of the lack of national exposure, they will eventually become a small fish in their conference pond. Yes, they will get more money and they will keep their history, but they will become another Northwestern or even a Northeastern with a great football past. Both of those Universities are wonderful schools but, as far as football goes, it sucks to be them. Perhaps ND does not want to be them.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

They'll lose a major recruiting advantage when there are 4 16 team conferences that Notre Dame isn't involved in so we will never play in a national championship again.

 

[irishtrain]

Last year Notre Dames football revenue was something like 92 million $$$, second only to Texas, They are usually 1/2/3 in this area year after year after year after year. The little eleven does not have a team that pulls that in every year. Some years a team will do it but none of them bring home the total $$$ that the Irish do on such a consistant basis. Once again right now at this point ND doesnt need them. Win games like the program should and the nation will find a place for Notre Dame to stay independent. If the landscape changes then address the issue, they are trying to force Notre Dame into a corner because they want control of the most storied program in the history of college football. It burns their @#$#% that Notre Dame is standing out there alone.

 

[FrankMA]

A few counter points:
1. ND gets the $9 million from its own TV contract. They make additional revenue from TV when they are on the road and on ABC, ESPN, or other networks. In addition they make money from any Bowl game they play in. Money they do not split with other conference teams. So their TV football revenue is much higher than $9 million.
2. ND is on national TV basically every week-either at home on their network or on the road on other networks. This will not be the case in a conference. They lose a big recruiting advantage by joining a conference because they lose all that TV exposure.
3. Because of the lack of national exposure, they will eventually become a small fish in their conference pond. Yes, they will get more money and they will keep their history, but they will become another Northwestern or even a Northeastern with a great football past. Both of those Universities are wonderful schools but, as far as football goes, it sucks to be them. Perhaps ND does not want to be them.

A good article as to why ND will not join a conference. At least not at this time.
Notre Dame and The Big Ten: Some Ideas Die Hard | Bleacher Report

 

[BillyIrish]

Last year Notre Dames football revenue was something like 92 million $$$, second only to Texas, They are usually 1/2/3 in this area year after year after year after year. The little eleven does not have a team that pulls that in every year. Some years a team will do it but none of them bring home the total $$$ that the Irish do on such a consistant basis. Once again right now at this point ND doesnt need them. Win games like the program should and the nation will find a place for Notre Dame to stay independent. If the landscape changes then address the issue, they are trying to force Notre Dame into a corner because they want control of the most storied program in the history of college football. It burns their @#$#% that Notre Dame is standing out the alone.

Here in a Forbes article they echo something similar to your statement while assessing college football teams "net worth"

In Pictures: College Football's 20 Most Valuable Teams - Forbes.com

 

[irishtrain]

Here in a Forbes article they echo something similar to your statement while assessing college football teams "net worth"

In Pictures: College Football's 20 Most Valuable Teams - Forbes.com

Thanks Billy, enough now about the $$$$$ they dont want Notre Dame out there without total control over the IRISH.

 

[ND Lifer]

ND/NBC should be proactive.

ND/NBC should be proactive.

If the Big 10 comtinues to try and force ND to join a conference, ND and Swarbrick should join with with NBC and form its own coinference (ala CBS-SEC, ESPN/ABC, Big 10 network). By using NBC as the go between to contact the other universities to join up, it wouldn't look as though ND was the prime instigator, just NBC trying to keep up with the other networks. Would have a double header on Saturday (afternoon & night) and ND must have a promise from NBC to be on every week, home or away.

This super nova conference could look something like this: EAST DIV: Notre Dame, Boston College, Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma, Pittsburgh WEST DIV: Texas, Texas A&M, Utah, BYU, Boise State, Colorado.

I don't see how anyone of the schools could turn that down.

This would make the SEC & Big 10 look sick. Texas keeps their rivalry with Oklahoma and Texas A&M. ND can still scheedule Navy & USC. NBC comes out a big winner and bolsters their TV sports package.

Thoughts?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

stupid and would never, ever happen.

Very constructive...

 

[ACamp1900]

I say we get together with NBC and see about starting the BTYC (better than your conference) and get Western Michigan, Navy, Idaho and Taxidermy Tech and have the catch phrase... "Where CHampions Live".... just to piss off Jo Pa.