Texas Jr Day Bags 13 Verbals

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IrishIllustrated.com - Class '11: Texas gets 13 Junior Day commits

David McNabb, theoldcoach.com 2/14

Texas had their first Jr Day of the year and got 13 verbals.

None were in the mix for ND.

There's another Texas Jr Day this weekend and DE Cedric Reed, who just got an ND offer, might end his recruitment.

Of the top 22 recruits this author believes are locks for UTX, Reed is the only one with an ND offer.

Of the remaining 4 on his list, 2 RBs Green and Brown have ND offers.
 

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I'm not sure how many recruits Texas can take this year, probably in low 20's.

'10 Class 25 recruits.
'09 Class 20
'08 Class 20
'07 Class 24

Those are the Rivals NSD numbers, not how many signed nor does it reflect losses to injuries, transfers, etc, nor redshirts.

With 13 verbal already they're looking at 7 - 12 more.

And a couple of those will come from out of state.
 

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the re-emergence of texas has really hurt notre dame. if i am correct, bgif i am sure you can tell me if i am not, we used to recruit pretty darn well in texas during the 80s and early 90s.

it seems that since texas has come to be a real power again we havent gotten nearly as many kids, and not nearly as many big name kids coming to notre dame from texas.
 

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the re-emergence of texas has really hurt notre dame. if i am correct, bgif i am sure you can tell me if i am not, we used to recruit pretty darn well in texas during the 80s and early 90s.

ND got players on occasion out of Texas in the early years but not with frequency. Robin Weber, Wally Kleine,Justin Hall, Bert Berry, and Mike Haywood, Consensus All-Americans Dave Huffman (70's), Tim Brown (80's), and Bobby Taylor (90's). The doors opened wide when Bob Davie joined Holtz staff in '94 with guys like Jimmy Friday, Allen Rossum and Hunter Smith. Vontez Duff, Bobby Morton, Travis Leitko, Jerome Sapp, Carlyle Holiday, Derek Curry, Garron Bible, Bid Ced Hilliard, Omar Jenkins, and Jordan Black were Davie recruits that formed the backbone of Willingham's 8-0 start.

it seems that since texas has come to be a real power again we havent gotten nearly as many kids, and not nearly as many big name kids coming to notre dame from texas.

Their re-emergence has had something to do with that. But Mack Brown's recruiting has even more to do with it coupled with the abyssmal recruiting of Willingham. Texas has always been a place where relationships with the high school coaches is important. Holtz brought Davie in not only for his defensive reputation but his connections to the Texas high school coaches. Fred Akers maintained the 9-3 average of his predecessor Darryl Royal but David McWilliams and John Mackovic were more 6-5, 7-4 coaches. Mackovic wasn't a UT guy. He was from the midwest and most of his coaching experience was in the midwest. He lacked the ties to the Texas high school coaches and other coaches plundered Texas.

Mack Brown had a reputation for recruiting at UNC and worked to rebuild the relationships with the HS coaches. In time it paid off and he closed Texas off to almost everyone but Stoops.

I heard Mack Brown being interviewed on a recruiting show the past week he note how recruiting has changed with early commitments. But he mentioned that UTx has known the in-state kids they sign for more than 2 years. They known their coaches a lot longer. Brown's been in Austin for 13 years, his assistants average 7 years. Will Muschamp has only been at UTx since '08 and I think the big reason he was named as future head coach/head coach in waiting was to help build the connections to those HS pipeline coaches. The connections that Mackovic didn't have and never developed.

As for ND Weis hired Mike Haywood recognizing the abundance of Texas recruits. Despite Haywood years as a UTx assistant, it did not work out as hoped.
 

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ND got players on occasion out of Texas in the early years but not with frequency. Robin Weber, Wally Kleine,Justin Hall, Bert Berry, and Mike Haywood, Consensus All-Americans Dave Huffman (70's), Tim Brown (80's), and Bobby Taylor (90's). The doors opened wide when Bob Davie joined Holtz staff in '94 with guys like Jimmy Friday, Allen Rossum and Hunter Smith. Vontez Duff, Bobby Morton, Travis Leitko, Jerome Sapp, Carlyle Holiday, Derek Curry, Garron Bible, Bid Ced Hilliard, Omar Jenkins, and Jordan Black were Davie recruits that formed the backbone of Willingham's 8-0 start.



Their re-emergence has had something to do with that. But Mack Brown's recruiting has even more to do with it coupled with the abyssmal recruiting of Willingham. Texas has always been a place where relationships with the high school coaches is important. Holtz brought Davie in not only for his defensive reputation but his connections to the Texas high school coaches. Fred Akers maintained the 9-3 average of his predecessor Darryl Royal but David McWilliams and John Mackovic were more 6-5, 7-4 coaches. Mackovic wasn't a UT guy. He was from the midwest and most of his coaching experience was in the midwest. He lacked the ties to the Texas high school coaches and other coaches plundered Texas.

Mack Brown had a reputation for recruiting at UNC and worked to rebuild the relationships with the HS coaches. In time it paid off and he closed Texas off to almost everyone but Stoops.

I heard Mack Brown being interviewed on a recruiting show the past week he note how recruiting has changed with early commitments. But he mentioned that UTx has known the in-state kids they sign for more than 2 years. They known their coaches a lot longer. Brown's been in Austin for 13 years, his assistants average 7 years. Will Muschamp has only been at UTx since '08 and I think the big reason he was named as future head coach/head coach in waiting was to help build the connections to those HS pipeline coaches. The connections that Mackovic didn't have and never developed.

As for ND Weis hired Mike Haywood recognizing the abundance of Texas recruits. Despite Haywood years as a UTx assistant, it did not work out as hoped.

From what I heard Will Muschamp is limited in recruiting now.

New coach-in-waiting rule threatens The University of Texas' recruiting ability - ESPN Dallas
 

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Texas is up to 15 commitments now, including four OL (2 OGs and 2 OTs). Three more prospects, including Greenlea, will probably commit this weekend. Greenlea does not have a Texas offer, but is expected to get one. They will probably take a total of 23, though could take 24-25.

Hagerty, Westerman, and H. Flowers will camp there this weekend with Westerman their only current offer. Many expect Hagerty to get an offer. Malcolm Brown, Green, Reed and Wallace have UT offers. They have one RB commitment, so may just take one more.

With 15 at this week's Jr Day, most will not get UT offers.

Some top Texas Safeties will probably not get UT offers - Ladarius Johnson and Franklin Shannon. So there are opportunities for the Irish, depending on academics.
 

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From what I heard Will Muschamp is limited in recruiting now. ...

Yes, he's limited in recruiting prospects but not HS coaches. The new rule restricts him the same as a head coach ... "only one off-campus visit with a prospect and it can't be during the critical spring evaluation period of April 15-May 31."

But Muschamp can still cultivate relationships with HS coaches which is essential to recruiting effectively in Texas. That was my point:

Will Muschamp has only been at UTx since '08 and I think the big reason he was named as future head coach/head coach in waiting was to help build the connections to those HS pipeline coaches. The connections that Mackovic didn't have and never developed.

Texas announced Muschamp would replace Brown in November of '08. Muschamp had only joined the UTx staff in '08. Why the rush to make the official designation?

It's now 2 years later and Mack Brown is still the head coach who is not retiring imminently. UTx could have simply put a clause in Muschamp's contract that he automatically succeeds Brown when he steps down. Bet the ranch that such a clause exists. So why the announcement?

Let's those Texas HS coaches know this is The Man - work with him, and let your players know that's who they'll be playing for.

Competiting coaches used the unknown head coach against Paterno and Bowden for many year. FSU appointed a coach in wating. Check Jimbo's 2011 Class. Smart move.
 

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Texas is up to 15 commitments now, including four OL (2 OGs and 2 OTs). Three more prospects, including Greenlea, will probably commit this weekend. Greenlea does not have a Texas offer, but is expected to get one. They will probably take a total of 23, though could take 24-25.

Hagerty, Westerman, and H. Flowers will camp there this weekend with Westerman their only current offer. Many expect Hagerty to get an offer. Malcolm Brown, Green, Reed and Wallace have UT offers. They have one RB commitment, so may just take one more.

With 15 at this week's Jr Day, most will not get UT offers.

Some top Texas Safeties will probably not get UT offers - Ladarius Johnson and Franklin Shannon. So there are opportunities for the Irish, depending on academics.

Some very good players at a lot of positions aren't going to get UTx offers. Lots of opportunity for ND to start building relationships.
 

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UTX added 3 more verbals so far today, their second Jr Day. Only one of the 3 was offered by ND, OT Garrett Greenlea.
 
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Quandre Diggs, ATH, is the Longhorns 18th verbal. ND was pursuing him. Diggs is the younger brother of former UT star Quentin Jammer. Diggs went to both UT Jr Days but didn't get an offer until this week. He pounced on it.

Texas is filling up.
 

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thanks bgif i appreciate the information and hope we can stick our foot back into that football hotbed.

i agree wholeheartedly about the recruiters relationships with the coaches... after their mom and dad that is who the trust the most with their future.
 

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UTX Recruiting 2012 - Now

UTX Recruiting 2012 - Now

Texas is expecting around 250 prospects (2010 signees, 2011 commits, select 2011 prospects and a slew of 2012 kids) to be at the Longhorns' spring game on Sunday.

2010 -25
2011 Commits - 18
2011 Prospects - About a dozen, say 17
Total -2010 & 2011 = 60

2012 Prospects Roughly 190


Now consider that ND gets about 50 kid from all classes to Jr Day, and say maybe that many again to the B&G Game.

Start to grasp the challenge that ND has - even without academic considerations?
 

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UTX has 19 verbals and according to the NEW Scout Rankings

5 are 5 Stars
8 are 4 Stars
3 are 3 Stars

and

3 are gulp UNRANKED!

What is Mack Brown thinking?



Kelly by comparison has 1 4 Star and 1 3 Star. Don't hold your breath on those 5 Stars.
 

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I must say...Scout is VERY generous with their stars. Lots of 5 stars (are there REALLY that many 5 star talents out there? I mean, ELITE guys?) and just a shitload of 4 stars. I personally don't think that there are THAT many studs in a given class...
 
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I must say...Scout is VERY generous with their stars. Lots of 5 stars (are there REALLY that many 5 star talents out there? I mean, ELITE guys?) and just a shitload of 4 stars. I personally don't think that there are THAT many studs in a given class...


35 5 Stars

Texas has 14% of them.


Based on the 2010 Team Rankings Scout had 52 5 Stars in the last class.

The 2009 Class had 57.
 
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