'10 OH ATH Derek Roback (Transfer)

[IrishInFl]

Because you mentioned donuts, I must bring in a Homer Simpson clip.

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[buckeyerish]

I have been waiting to see if BK would pull the trigger on this before I decided to judge a BooK (see what I did there?) by the cover. This was why I was skeptical about the hire to begin with. Recruiting this type talent is GREAT for the MAC and maybe lower level Big East, but this kid should NOT be recruited by a national powerhouse. No matter how you slice it, this young man CANT be Division 1 Defensive talent. Case in point. I watched him play at Jackson (a .500 team from southern ohio). As he should be, he was indeed the best player on the field that night. His team ran the spread, he would always make the first 2 miss and break an additional tackle before Jackson could drag him to the ground. He was their entire offense in one body (another kid was pretty good too). However, he was by no means dominant. He just simply played a good game. Taking all that into consideration, I dont even remember if he played defense. He was playing a team that has NO potential Division 1 athletes. Jackson has not sent a kid to play Division 1 football since the 1990's. He played in a league that has 5 foot 9, 180 lbs. at linebacker. He played in a league that has kids at 220lb playing offensive guard. He played in a league with NO premiere Ohio teams. Basically, ND should not recruit kids from this area. I don't see any major college programs salivating from the talent in southern Ohio. He is the head coach at Notre Dame trying to compete for a NC. Their are bigger dreams than being competitive in the Big East. Right now it appears that's what he is recruiting for.

 

[rocket31]

I have been waiting to see if BK would pull the trigger on this before I decided to judge a BooK (see what I did there?) by the cover. This was why I was skeptical about the hire to begin with. Recruiting this type talent is GREAT for the MAC and maybe lower level Big East, but this kid should NOT be recruited by a national powerhouse. No matter how you slice it, this young man CANT be Division 1 Defensive talent. Case in point. I watched him play at Jackson (a .500 team from southern ohio). As he should be, he was indeed the best player on the field that night. His team ran the spread, he would always make the first 2 miss and break an additional tackle before Jackson could drag him to the ground. He was their entire offense in one body (another kid was pretty good too). However, he was by no means dominant. He just simply played a good game. Taking all that into consideration, I dont even remember if he played defense. He was playing a team that has NO potential Division 1 athletes. Jackson has not sent a kid to play Division 1 football since the 1990's. He played in a league that has 5 foot 9, 180 lbs. at linebacker. He played in a league that has kids at 220lb playing offensive guard. He played in a league with NO premiere Ohio teams. Basically, ND should not recruit kids from this area. I don't see any major college programs salivating from the talent in southern Ohio. He is the head coach at Notre Dame trying to compete for a NC. Their are bigger dreams than being competitive in the Big East. Right now it appears that's what he is recruiting for.

hmmm, maybe you should inform ohio state. they will more than likely extend an offer to this *MAC player* as well...

 

[woolybug25]

From one NOOB to another

From one NOOB to another

BuckeyeIrish - First of all, your name is an oxymoron, but I digress. I have been lurking for a while and figured sliding in after your post would be an easy way to come in under the radar. I find it utterly comical that BK talking to a particular recruit somehow proves that he is a bad coach. I guess all of his past successes and the underlying fact that HE HASNT EVEN COACHED A GAME FOR ND YET should simply be overlooked because he wants a kid without the necessary amount of BuckeyeIrish stars.

The horror...

 

[TerryTate]

I have been waiting to see if BK would pull the trigger on this before I decided to judge a BooK (see what I did there?) by the cover. This was why I was skeptical about the hire to begin with. Recruiting this type talent is GREAT for the MAC and maybe lower level Big East, but this kid should NOT be recruited by a national powerhouse. No matter how you slice it, this young man CANT be Division 1 Defensive talent. Case in point. I watched him play at Jackson (a .500 team from southern ohio). As he should be, he was indeed the best player on the field that night. His team ran the spread, he would always make the first 2 miss and break an additional tackle before Jackson could drag him to the ground. He was their entire offense in one body (another kid was pretty good too). However, he was by no means dominant. He just simply played a good game. Taking all that into consideration, I dont even remember if he played defense. He was playing a team that has NO potential Division 1 athletes. Jackson has not sent a kid to play Division 1 football since the 1990's. He played in a league that has 5 foot 9, 180 lbs. at linebacker. He played in a league that has kids at 220lb playing offensive guard. He played in a league with NO premiere Ohio teams. Basically, ND should not recruit kids from this area. I don't see any major college programs salivating from the talent in southern Ohio. He is the head coach at Notre Dame trying to compete for a NC. Their are bigger dreams than being competitive in the Big East. Right now it appears that's what he is recruiting for.

He obviously fits a mold that Brian Kelly knows he can work with. Just because he isn't touted as God's gift to the Division 1 scene does not mean he can't develop into a top player. I don't get why everyone automatically has to be a stud coming out of high school for everyone to agree that he deserves an offer. Did you stop physically / mentally developing after 18? Kelly and his staff know how to bring in raw ability and mold it into a system that works. Cut the crap about his recruiting abilities and look at the fact that he's doing the research on these kids, he knows where they will fit into his system, and let him take the responsibility to develop the talent. Shouldn't we be focusing on the developmental aspects of his coaching?

 

[acerider8]

Worst case scenario, he is a good athlete that adds always needed depth on the defensive side of the ball. He has great size and speed and is probably a little bit raw, but I'm sure he is someone who could develop over time. Not every single kid that walks through the door is going to be a heralded 4 and 5 star recruit.

 

[buckeyerish]

Woolybug25- good sir, give me jimmy's and joe's. keep the x's and o's. a coach can only motivate and gameplan so far, if you put inferior talent on the field you lose. no matter the speech or how you manage a game (ie. cincy vs. florida). right now, im not sure he is recruiting the right talent to compete at the highest level.

based off of what ive gathered from the situation (the team, the league, his offers, his verbal commit to TOLEDO early on), what stands out about this kid being ND caliber? why do you verbal to a mac school before the season? where there is smoke there is fire. he wasnt the best hs player i saw this year. best of luck to the young man, i truly hope he makes me eat my words. i am rooting for him to do this. am i excited to see this is who BK is bringing in to beef up the defense? nahh

 

[woolybug25]

Woolybug25- good sir, give me jimmy's and joe's. keep the x's and o's. You know that I dont speak spanish a coach can only motivate and gameplan so far, if you put inferior talent on the field you lose. It got him 12 wins last year no matter the speech or how you manage a game (ie. cincy vs. florida). right now, im not sure he is recruiting the right talent to compete at the highest level. Weis had 5 times the talent on his bcs team and he got smashed too. Also, Kelly didnt coach the BCS game. So you cant put that loss on him.

based off of what ive gathered from the situation (the team, the league, his offers, his verbal commit to TOLEDO early on), what stands out about this kid being ND caliber?I believe that is in the eye of the beholder. The beholder is kelly. Furthermore, academically he is Harvard quality. why do you verbal to a mac school before the season?So no good player has ever verballed to a MAC school? where there is smoke there is fire. he wasnt the best hs player i saw this year. best of luck to the young man, i truly hope he makes me eat my words. i am rooting for him to do this.Sounds like it am i excited to see this is who BK is bringing in to beef up the defense? nahh So I guess you arent excited about C Jones or Furgeson?

poop

 

[bpoluka]

Originally Posted by buckeyerish

I have been waiting to see if BK would pull the trigger on this before I decided to judge a BooK (see what I did there?) by the cover. This was why I was skeptical about the hire to begin with. Recruiting this type talent is GREAT for the MAC and maybe lower level Big East, but this kid should NOT be recruited by a national powerhouse. No matter how you slice it, this young man CANT be Division 1 Defensive talent. Case in point. I watched him play at Jackson (a .500 team from southern ohio). As he should be, he was indeed the best player on the field that night. His team ran the spread, he would always make the first 2 miss and break an additional tackle before Jackson could drag him to the ground. He was their entire offense in one body (another kid was pretty good too). However, he was by no means dominant. He just simply played a good game. Taking all that into consideration, I dont even remember if he played defense. He was playing a team that has NO potential Division 1 athletes. Jackson has not sent a kid to play Division 1 football since the 1990's. He played in a league that has 5 foot 9, 180 lbs. at linebacker. He played in a league that has kids at 220lb playing offensive guard. He played in a league with NO premiere Ohio teams. Basically, ND should not recruit kids from this area. I don't see any major college programs salivating from the talent in southern Ohio. He is the head coach at Notre Dame trying to compete for a NC. Their are bigger dreams than being competitive in the Big East. Right now it appears that's what he is recruiting for.

Buckeyerish,
The negativeness blows me away. Kelly's history everywhere he has been is to develope the talent he has. Give him a chance before you start complaining.
Look at PITT's freshmen running back Lewis he was the #222 RB in the state of NJ. Nobody gave this kid a shot but Albany. After a year it sure looks like a lot of Div. 1 coaches misssed out on someone special. I am not saying this kid is going to be like Lewis at PITT, but give it a chance first.
If as a coach you can see the talent and develope the talent as BK has at every stop in his coaching career then it is a win win.

 

[buckeyerish]

12 wins in the Big East. Weis was very outmatched in regards to talent in each BCS game. Absolutely. Different breed of athletes. Speed was no where near the place it should be. On the defensive side of the ball especially. I understand players develop. That's great. After seeing this kid play in high school and trying to comprehend how he could be lining up next to Te'o, its beyond me. Nothing adds up. The development would be spectacular and I will gladly call BK a magician, wizard, miracle worker, BK the magnificent, BK copperfield.

 

[rocket31]

trying to comprehend how he could be lining up next to Te'o, its beyond me. Nothing adds up.

there are not many 5***** recruits who could line up against te'o currently.

 

[johnnykillz]

Buckeye,

You're a troll. It's apparent. Go back to the OSU forums. You can't change our coach's mind about recruiting this kid by disheartening fans.

Not gonna happen pal. Boo OSU!

hwhateve :countdown

 

[woolybug25]

12 wins in the Big East. Weis was very outmatched in regards to talent in each BCS game. Absolutely. Different breed of athletes. Speed was no where near the place it should be. On the defensive side of the ball especially. I understand players develop. That's great. After seeing this kid play in high school and trying to comprehend how he could be lining up next to Te'o, its beyond me. Nothing adds up. The development would be spectacular and I will gladly call BK a magician, wizard, miracle worker, BK the magnificent, BK copperfield.

You contradict yourself at every turn. Notre Dame couldnt consistently beat teams from the Big East (Pitt, BC, even f'ing Uconn) during Charlie's entire tenure. So how is BK's resume somehow not "Notre Dame Quality"? Right now, ND quality is .500 football.

Now shoo child.

 

[buckeyerish]

No contradictions. To me and Im sure everyone else believes this, ND needs to be better than Big East quality. I hate to recognize that ND has taken L's to Big East football. Period. Though that's the mess that has been left. Listen to Lou. When ND is elite, it is better for college football. There is absolutely no reason that ND should settle for anything less. I admit, I am a little salty the administration did not pin their ears back and go after Muschamp. I find it hard to believe that Kelly is capable of bringing the program up to an elite level. I have become very skeptical with the news of this recruitment. There had been rumors in the area that Roback was considering Cincy, but those rumors were put to bed with Kelly leaving for ND. I am very anxious to see how things go now. Only time will tell.

 

[pani_nasz]

I have been waiting to see if BK would pull the trigger on this before I decided to judge a BooK (see what I did there?) by the cover. This was why I was skeptical about the hire to begin with. Recruiting this type talent is GREAT for the MAC and maybe lower level Big East, but this kid should NOT be recruited by a national powerhouse. No matter how you slice it, this young man CANT be Division 1 Defensive talent. Case in point. I watched him play at Jackson (a .500 team from southern ohio). As he should be, he was indeed the best player on the field that night. His team ran the spread, he would always make the first 2 miss and break an additional tackle before Jackson could drag him to the ground. He was their entire offense in one body (another kid was pretty good too). However, he was by no means dominant. He just simply played a good game. Taking all that into consideration, I dont even remember if he played defense. He was playing a team that has NO potential Division 1 athletes. Jackson has not sent a kid to play Division 1 football since the 1990's. He played in a league that has 5 foot 9, 180 lbs. at linebacker. He played in a league that has kids at 220lb playing offensive guard. He played in a league with NO premiere Ohio teams. Basically, ND should not recruit kids from this area. I don't see any major college programs salivating from the talent in southern Ohio. He is the head coach at Notre Dame trying to compete for a NC. Their are bigger dreams than being competitive in the Big East. Right now it appears that's what he is recruiting for.

FWIW, Chester Taylor played for Toledo. Not too shabby.

 

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

FWIW, Chester Taylor played for Toledo. Not too shabby.

Hell yes he did. GO ROCKETS! We use to be good until my first year here.

 

[NDinL.A.]

No contradictions. To me and Im sure everyone else believes this, ND needs to be better than Big East quality. I hate to recognize that ND has taken L's to Big East football. Period. Though that's the mess that has been left. Listen to Lou. When ND is elite, it is better for college football. There is absolutely no reason that ND should settle for anything less. I admit, I am a little salty the administration did not pin their ears back and go after Muschamp. I find it hard to believe that Kelly is capable of bringing the program up to an elite level. I have become very skeptical with the news of this recruitment. There had been rumors in the area that Roback was considering Cincy, but those rumors were put to bed with Kelly leaving for ND. I am very anxious to see how things go now. Only time will tell.

Who is more proven...Kelly or Muschamp? If you say Muschamp, then there is nothing more to be said.

You said it yourself, you have a bias against this hire already, so nothing he does will satisfy you, no matter what you try to tell us. Why offer one kid you don't like and NOW you decide to post? Where were you when Henderson's dad said ND gave the most professional visit and that he was thoroughly impressed with Kelly? Where were you when Ferguson said the exact same thing? Where were you when Spond (4 star) was offered and accepted (excitedly) a visit? Where were you when Bourbon (4 star) was offered and also excitedly accepted a visit? Can we just expect you to pop up anytime something bad happens to ND? Great.

You would get much more credibility in my eyes if, A) You weren't an Ohio St fan; and B) you weren't so already jaded by the hiring of the best available coach out there. I;d give you credit if you could look at each move on its own, individually, instead of making ridiculous broad generalizations based on one offer. I'm all for different opinions, but if the opinion is already formed before the event, then no thanks...

 

[buckeyerish]

Someone explain why being an Ohio State fan automatically extinguishes any chance at credibility. If my name was SharkAttackIrish does that make my opinion more valid? All things you mentioned about the Kelly visits, this is good news. Why was I not there? Those kids are nothing but names and stars to me. They are higher ups in the recruiting experts eyes, Kelly is doing what he is supposed to do, all is right with the world. Why is my input necessary? Do I say great job BK, keep doing what you are doing in hopes that he might acknowledge my support or existence in a forum? Same could be said for my input on Roback. Why should he be concerned with my judgment on a high school senior he has on his recruiting board. The ONLY reason I posted is because this is a recruit that I have seen 3 times. 2 times this year alone. His recruitment was a red flag to me and I made my opinion known.

 

[johnnykillz]

For your penance:

How many crows will you consume should this young man be the next big thing?

BTW, I inappropriately called you a troll. I am sorry. Do please prove my appology to be in the correct order.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Being a buckeye fan just adds to it. The real reason you lose credibility is that you said from the jump that ND hired the wrong guy and you have big time doubts on him, and you'd rather hire a defensive coordinator who has proven nothing over a head coach that has won at every stop. If you're not going to give the guy a chance, if you're coming in with a mindset that he's not good enough for ND, then yes, you lose credibility. Open mind, my friend, that's all.

As for posting b/c you've seen this guy play, that's fine and thank you for adding to the site. I'll trust college coaches' judgment over yours, but they aren't right always of course, so you might have some valid concerns. Point is, I'm not goin gto judge Kelly's ability to coach and recruit at ND because of ONE recruit. That's ludicrous. Go look at how many guys Meyer and Saban and Carroll have recruited that haven't panned out and transferred (esp Meyer's golden boy recruit, Josh Portis I believe, who he recruited to Utah then dragged with him to FL. Kid never sniffed playing college football at FL). It happens, to everyone. Are you saying that Meyer can't coach nor judge talent too?

 

[IrishAddiction]

Johnnykillz~Congrats on your 4th post...

first off..... lol.

many NFL players came out of the MAC. obviously not as much as the BCS conferences, but they still produce some legit talent.

 

[BillyIrish]

FWIW, Chester Taylor played for Toledo. Not too shabby.

Lance Moore, Bruce Gradkowski....

 

[iMANTIusc]

nice bruce gradkowski refernece....go raiders!!

 

[iMANTIusc]

shoot for the ground and youll never miss

 

[fitz_bu47]

Ya, I have high hopes for the Irish, w/ the Chiefs just really looking for ANY signs of improvement.

 

[Tate the Great]

Back to the subject...looks like Roback is going to commit over the weekend or on NSD

 

[mbeckha]

Lance Moore, Bruce Gradkowski....

Just for reference, I trained them.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Back to the subject...looks like Roback is going to commit over the weekend or on NSD

Link?

 

[chyrspchuck]

would be nice to get roback, bourbon, james, massa, ioane, and spond this weekend.....

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Just for reference, I trained them.

Nice try, Skippy.