So Whats The Difference Between Brian Kelly & Charlie Weis' Offenses?

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4-5 WR sets in the shotgun. Looks like the same offense we ran in the 4th quarter after trying to make a comeback while giving up on the running game.

We should score 40 points per game or more this season with that offense. But I am disappointed by not getting a big time Defensive Coordinator because Defense is clearly the biggest problem when it comes to a team that has such a prolific offense.
 

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Pro vs. Spread.

Pro: QB is under center as opposed to the shotgun

Pro: Utilizes numerous 3, 5, and 7 step drops. Spread allows the QB to throw after catching the snap or take two extra steps to have a quick 7 step drop.

Pro: Utilizes single or two backs... much more North/South run game. Spread utilizes zone reads between the QB/RB.

Pro: Utilizes play action in the form of the QB turning his back to the play. Spread always has the QB looking upfield at the D.
 

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Pro vs. Spread.

Pro: QB is under center as opposed to the shotgun

Pro: Utilizes numerous 3, 5, and 7 step drops. Spread allows the QB to throw after catching the snap or take two extra steps to have a quick 7 step drop.

Pro: Utilizes single or two backs... much more North/South run game. Spread utilizes zone reads between the QB/RB.

Pro: Utilizes play action in the form of the QB turning his back to the play. Spread always has the QB looking upfield at the D.

No my point is how exactly is what the offense Kelly is using an upgrade from what Charlie Weis had?
 

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... But I am disappointed by not getting a big time Defensive Coordinator because Defense is clearly the biggest problem when it comes to a team that has such a prolific offense.

According to the NCAA Stats UC's Defense was ranked in the Top 10 in both Sacks and TFLs but there DLine got no pressure on Tebow while the their Secondary had no answer for UF's speed.

I have my druthers about Diaco but note he was in his first year and UC had to rebuild their entire defense this year. They're young and were facing a Heisman QB, the WRs and Linemen they've faced. The other guys were motivated by winning one for the retiring head coach while UC had no head coach and most of their other coaches already had their bags packed for their new jobs.
 

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No my point is how exactly is what the offense Kelly is using an upgrade from what Charlie Weis had?

who cares what the difference is between the two. the difference is Brian Kelly is a proven winning college football coach and weis hasn't proved anything except that he can recruit and never develop those top recruits. do you want to bring weis back now?
 

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4-5 WR sets in the shotgun. Looks like the same offense we ran in the 4th quarter after trying to make a comeback while giving up on the running game.

We should score 40 points per game or more this season with that offense. But I am disappointed by not getting a big time Defensive Coordinator because Defense is clearly the biggest problem when it comes to a team that has such a prolific offense.

We don't know who we have yet. All we have, so far, is a bunch of speculation and rumors. Let Kelly get his staff under contract, THEN let's talk about what we have, or don't have?
 

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No my point is how exactly is what the offense Kelly is using an upgrade from what Charlie Weis had?

also...this doesnt really mean much for college football...but spread QB's for the most part dont do well in the NFL. See Alex Smith (an Urban Liar Utah player!!!!!!!!)

some players dont want to play in a spread offense, especially a HS QB that has NFL potential. most would rather develop in a pro style offense to better prepare themselves for NFL success.

Didnt Ryan Mallett leave Michigan because he didnt want to run DickRod's spread?
 
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From what I can tell, it does not appear that the running back is used much in the "spread"? Yes, no, comments? Would hate to see the talent at running back wasted.
 

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From what I can tell, it does not appear that the running back is used much in the "spread"? Yes, no, comments? Would hate to see the talent at running back wasted.

From a statistical standpoint, Cincy seems to run the ball a bit less, but much more effectively.

Rushing Statistics
NAME CAR YDS YPC LONG TD
Isaiah Pead 114 758 6.6 67 (TD) 9
Jacob Ramsey 68 421 6.2 62 4
Zach Collaros 57 344 6.0 75 (TD) 4
Darrin Williams 10 37 3.7 10 0
Scott Johnson 2 35 17.5 33 (TD) 1
John Goebel 11 33 3.0 8 0
Travis Kelce 7 28 4.0 12 2
Chazz Anderson 8 27 3.4 10 0
Brendon Kay 4 24 6.0 8 0
Tony Pike 24 18 0.8 16 2
Mardy Gilyard 5 16 3.2 5 1
George Winn 5 12 2.4 6 0
Quentin Hines 2 5 2.5 6 0
Chris Williams 6 5 0.8 3 0
Jake Rogers 1 3 3.0 3 0
Totals 338 1727 5.1 75 23

Armando Allen Jr 142 697 4.9 26 3
Robert Hughes 88 416 4.7 37 5
Golden Tate 25 186 7.4 33 2
Theo Riddick 29 160 5.5 24 0
Jonas Gray 34 119 3.5 19 0
James Aldridge 6 17 2.8 9 0
Dayne Crist 5 16 3.2 16 0
John Goodman 2 14 7.0 13 0
Duval Kamara 1 10 10.0 10 0
Michael Floyd 1 8 8.0 8 0
Eric Maust 1 4 4.0 4 0
Jimmy Clausen 59 -95 -1.6 11 3
Totals 401 1539 3.8 37 13
 

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also...this doesnt really mean much for college football...but spread QB's for the most part dont do well in the NFL. See Alex Smith (an Urban Liar Utah player!!!!!!!!)

some players dont want to play in a spread offense, especially a HS QB that has NFL potential. most would rather develop in a pro style offense to better prepare themselves for NFL success.

Didnt Ryan Mallett leave Michigan because he didnt want to run DickRod's spread?

I've always hated the spread. But you know what I hate more? Losing.

Kelly is a proven winner, and he brings the spread with him. So that means I'll be watching the spread offense all year, and hopefully, watching a winning team as well.

And BTW, I'm not sure some of you guys realize just how good Dayne Crist is. He was one of the most sought after QBs in the nation (SC was all over him...he was the only QB they recruited that year). Some say he has a stronger arm than Clausen (go look at that deep slant he threw to Goodman vs WSU), plus he can run and he is a fantastic leader. And this offense fits him to a T. If he stays healthy, you guys are going to absolutely love this kid...
 

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And BTW, I'm not sure some of you guys realize just how good Dayne Crist is. He was one of the most sought after QBs in the nation (SC was all over him...he was the only QB they recruited that year). Some say he has a stronger arm than Clausen (go look at that deep slant he threw to Goodman vs WSU), plus he can run and he is a fantastic leader. And this offense fits him to a T. If he stays healthy, you guys are going to absolutely love this kid...

So true - not to mention his running ability. If his knee gets rehabbed well, he can offer a whole new dimension making yards out of bad situations. He's got a canon for an arm, and he looked psychically bigger than Jimmy did. Excited to see him next year under Kelly.
 

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So true - not to mention his running ability. If his knee gets rehabbed well, he can offer a whole new dimension making yards out of bad situations. He's got a canon for an arm, and he looked psychically bigger than Jimmy did. Excited to see him next year under Kelly.

Dayne was always a bit too amped up when subbing in for JC as one can imagine, but the play i loved the most(outside of the rocket post pattern TD to Goodman) was the QB keeper for a chunk of yards on his first play against Purdon't. He's a great leader and will work well in Kelly's system.
 

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I've always hated the spread. But you know what I hate more? Losing.

Kelly is a proven winner, and he brings the spread with him. So that means I'll be watching the spread offense all year, and hopefully, watching a winning team as well.

And BTW, I'm not sure some of you guys realize just how good Dayne Crist is. He was one of the most sought after QBs in the nation (SC was all over him...he was the only QB they recruited that year). Some say he has a stronger arm than Clausen (go look at that deep slant he threw to Goodman vs WSU), plus he can run and he is a fantastic leader. And this offense fits him to a T. If he stays healthy, you guys are going to absolutely love this kid...

Crist is definitely a talented guy, and I hope he develops into a good QB, but he has some big shoes to fill.

Clausen > Crist:
Laser Accuracy - clausens biggest asset I believe
Decision making
Toughness
Consistancy
On the field Leadership

Arm strength is debatable, but Clausen has NFL-level arm strength, if Crist has better arm strength, its not much of a difference/factor IMO. Clausen can deliver the 25-yard out pattern EXACTLY where it needs to be and on-time, everytime. thats no small feat.

SC only recruited 1 qb that year because they had 3 qb's (corp, mustain, sanchez) with Matt Barkley already on their radar. (SC folks say he was thiers since his freshman year at mater dei) At the time they expected Dirty Sanchez to play 2 years. Would Crist have beat out Barkley this year for the starting job? (i doubt it, PTC has a hard-on for Barkley) if not, he would have been Mitch Mustain part deux
 
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hahahaha.....I bet Swarbrick doesnt say that. He better know who he has.

Cincy was a joke....smoke and mirrors.

LOL you wanted Weis back as coach.


I'm glad our fan base is not even giving Kelly, a proven winner, a chance to prove himself.
 
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LOL you wanted Weis back as coach, STFU.


I'm glad our fan base is not even giving Kelly, a proven winner, a chance to prove himself.

if you are going to quote me, or say what I said...get it right

I said Weis should have never been fired, not that I wanted him back. I am unwavering in this opinion.

you can never go back.


I have lost my confidence in the ppl at Notre Dame to run a winning football program. I do not have a bad opinion of Kelly, I just dont think he is a ND-type coach. I hope im wrong. Kelly needs to win a BCS game before I am aboard. plain and simple, he'll get no slack from me until this happens. Since Weis was so bad, and Kelly so good, we should see an immediate impact. by most accounts ND was on track for a 2010 BCS game, now that ND has a better coach a BCS game/win is what I expect. Nothing less.
 
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What's the difference? Kelly calls more than a half-dozen plays.

Weis Play #1: Out route
Weis Play #2: Draw
Weis Play #3: Deep ball
Weis Play #4: Swing pass
Weis Play #5: Quick screen to slow receiver
Weis Play #6: Fade to the corner of the endzone three times, field goal
 
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if you are going to quote me, or say what I said...get it right

I said Weis should have never been fired, not that I wanted him back. I am unwavering in this opinion.

you can never go back.


I have lost my confidence in the ppl at Notre Dame to run a winning football program. I do not have a bad opinion of Kelly, I just dont think he is a ND-type coach. I hope im wrong. Kelly needs to win a BCS game before I am aboard. plain and simple, he'll get no slack from me until this happens. Since Weis was so bad, and Kelly so good, we should see an immediate impact. by most accounts ND was on track for a 2010 BCS game, now that ND has a better coach a BCS game/win is what I expect. Nothing less.

+1

You and I are on exactly the same page here. I enjoy reading your thoughts. Keep up the good work.
 

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According to the NCAA Stats UC's Defense was ranked in the Top 10 in both Sacks and TFLs but there DLine got no pressure on Tebow while the their Secondary had no answer for UF's speed.

I have my druthers about Diaco but note he was in his first year and UC had to rebuild their entire defense this year. They're young and were facing a Heisman QB, the WRs and Linemen they've faced. The other guys were motivated by winning one for the retiring head coach while UC had no head coach and most of their other coaches already had their bags packed for their new jobs.

That would be my question on how much did the Cincy coaching drama play into them not showing up? Because God help us if that is the team "We thought they were!" (a little Dennis Green humor there for you)
 

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What's the difference? Kelly calls more than a half-dozen plays.

Weis Play #1: Out route
Weis Play #2: Draw
Weis Play #3: Deep ball
Weis Play #4: Swing pass
Weis Play #5: Quick screen to slow receiver
Weis Play #6: Fade to the corner of the endzone three times, field goal

actually he has 8 plays:

Weis Play #7: QB sneak on 4th and 2, no gain
Weis Play #8: Fake screen left to the wide side of the field, QB heave into stands to the short side, tremendously effective.
 

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if you are going to quote me, or say what I said...get it right

I said Weis should have never been fired, not that I wanted him back. I am unwavering in this opinion.

you can never go back.


I have lost my confidence in the ppl at Notre Dame to run a winning football program. I do not have a bad opinion of Kelly, I just dont think he is a ND-type coach. I hope im wrong. Kelly needs to win a BCS game before I am aboard. plain and simple, he'll get no slack from me until this happens. Since Weis was so bad, and Kelly so good, we should see an immediate impact. by most accounts ND was on track for a 2010 BCS game, now that ND has a better coach a BCS game/win is what I expect. Nothing less.

Agree with your comment. Although I was against bringing in BK, I will support him as our coach, but last night made me throw up in my mouth a little.
 

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actually he has 8 plays:

Weis Play #7: QB sneak on 4th and 2, no gain
Weis Play #8: Fake screen left to the wide side of the field, QB heave into stands to the short side, tremendously effective.

Play #1 Bomb Right
Play #2 Bomb Left
Play #3 Wildcat Right
Play #4 Wildcat Left
Play #5 Screen Right
Play #6 Screen Left

Specials:
4th and 10= RB Dive
 
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if you are going to quote me, or say what I said...get it right

I said Weis should have never been fired, not that I wanted him back. I am unwavering in this opinion.

you can never go back.


I have lost my confidence in the ppl at Notre Dame to run a winning football program. I do not have a bad opinion of Kelly, I just dont think he is a ND-type coach. I hope im wrong. Kelly needs to win a BCS game before I am aboard. plain and simple, he'll get no slack from me until this happens. Since Weis was so bad, and Kelly so good, we should see an immediate impact. by most accounts ND was on track for a 2010 BCS game, now that ND has a better coach a BCS game/win is what I expect. Nothing less.

You can't find many a man on this forum that loved Weis as I had. But I'm a homer and more than eight pints of green kool-aid flows in me veins...

BK is the new guy on the block. There is no need to judge our man of the hour. Instead we should rise up to meet him with arms wide open. Let us give this man what Charlie needed to feel at peace. Less critics may help the cause more than anything.:idea:

Your loyalty to Charlie will not be in question by supporting the new leader.

P.S. offensive coordinator wanna-be(s): The amount of points we scored this year on average are prolific numbers. Charlie's 6-8 plays would have produced wins if not for lack of defense.
 
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if you are going to quote me, or say what I said...get it right

I said Weis should have never been fired, not that I wanted him back. I am unwavering in this opinion.

you can never go back.


I have lost my confidence in the ppl at Notre Dame to run a winning football program. I do not have a bad opinion of Kelly, I just dont think he is a ND-type coach. I hope im wrong. Kelly needs to win a BCS game before I am aboard. plain and simple, he'll get no slack from me until this happens. Since Weis was so bad, and Kelly so good, we should see an immediate impact. by most accounts ND was on track for a 2010 BCS game, now that ND has a better coach a BCS game/win is what I expect. Nothing less.

I can't blame you for losing confidence at all.

But you are hypocritical in your statements. You don't think ND has the capability to run a winning program, but you support a coach that quite simply, BY HIS OWN DEFINITION AND ADMISSION, didn't get the job done. A coach who had 3 consecutive non-winning regular seasons (despite starting off hot the last 2 seasons). How can you say you're pissed at the firing of a coach who couldn't win with his own players, and then say the people who fired that coach aren't able to run a winning program? If you want a winning program, then you should be happy at the Weis firing/Kelly hiring.

See, you're dead wrong when you say that "by most accounts, ND was on track for a 2010 BCS game". In fact, it's the exact opposite. Go and take a poll on every single ND site, or every college football site, and ask them after the Stanford game if they thought that ND was on their way to a BCS game in 2010. Go ask any college football analyst, and they'll laugh. The team could have been in a BCS game THIS YEAR, and didn't even get close.

Next year w/ Weis, and you've read my posts and know that I am a huge Weis guy, was pointing to being the exact same thing...a mediocre team. He had the veteran offense and talent on defense. We would have lost Clausen next year (he was going pro no matter what...his family had already sold their house, and CW was behind the decision with or without him), possibly Tate, and we would have had to deal with a young QB in a highly complicated offense. And don't even get me started on the defense, which never excelled under him. Nothing tells me next year would have been different. It just didn't work out with Weis, and to keep him would have told me much more about ND than firing him, that's for sure.

The other thing I think you're wrong on is about Kelly not being an ND type of coach. Not sure if you've read up on him, but everything about Kelly SCREAMS Notre Dame. Besides the obvious Irish-Catholic connection, this is his dream job. Unlike other coaches who claim this is their dream job, Kelly isn't scared off by the enormity of the job. In other words, he's not a p***y. He told Swarbrick that he didn't need nor want academic exceptions, that he believed ND can win with student athletes. His Cinci teams had the highest team GPAs in the HISTORY of the program. Out of the 10 BCS teams, Cinci had the highest grad rate, and it wasn't even close. I could go on and on.

Kelly is exactly the type of coach I picture running ND (if he wins of course LOL). This isn't a DickRod type of hiring, where he changes the culture of the program and pisses off everyone while doing it (and blames everyone else when it fails). Kelly gets ND, grew up watching ND, and now has his dream job. Good for him...
 

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I can't blame you for losing confidence at all.

But you are hypocritical in your statements. You don't think ND has the capability to run a winning program, but you support a coach that quite simply, BY HIS OWN DEFINITION AND ADMISSION, didn't get the job done. A coach who had 3 consecutive non-winning regular seasons (despite starting off hot the last 2 seasons). How can you say you're pissed at the firing of a coach who couldn't win with his own players, and then say the people who fired that coach aren't able to run a winning program? If you want a winning program, then you should be happy at the Weis firing/Kelly hiring.

See, you're dead wrong when you say that "by most accounts, ND was on track for a 2010 BCS game". In fact, it's the exact opposite. Go and take a poll on every single ND site, or every college football site, and ask them after the Stanford game if they thought that ND was on their way to a BCS game in 2010. Go ask any college football analyst, and they'll laugh. The team could have been in a BCS game THIS YEAR, and didn't even get close.

Next year w/ Weis, and you've read my posts and know that I am a huge Weis guy, was pointing to being the exact same thing...a mediocre team. He had the veteran offense and talent on defense. We would have lost Clausen next year (he was going pro no matter what...his family had already sold their house, and CW was behind the decision with or without him), possibly Tate, and we would have had to deal with a young QB in a highly complicated offense. And don't even get me started on the defense, which never excelled under him. Nothing tells me next year would have been different. It just didn't work out with Weis, and to keep him would have told me much more about ND than firing him, that's for sure.

The other thing I think you're wrong on is about Kelly not being an ND type of coach. Not sure if you've read up on him, but everything about Kelly SCREAMS Notre Dame. Besides the obvious Irish-Catholic connection, this is his dream job. Unlike other coaches who claim this is their dream job, Kelly isn't scared off by the enormity of the job. In other words, he's not a p***y. He told Swarbrick that he didn't need nor want academic exceptions, that he believed ND can win with student athletes. His Cinci teams had the highest team GPAs in the HISTORY of the program. Out of the 10 BCS teams, Cinci had the highest grad rate, and it wasn't even close. I could go on and on.

Kelly is exactly the type of coach I picture running ND (if he wins of course LOL). This isn't a DickRod type of hiring, where he changes the culture of the program and pisses off everyone while doing it (and blames everyone else when it fails). Kelly gets ND, grew up watching ND, and now has his dream job. Good for him...

Phenomenal post.
 

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I can only rep you once NDinLA... His nickname should be "The Phenom"

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For me this deal is real simple, Brian Kelly will put points on the board, Notre Dames defense or lack of it will be the issue as to how soon they compete against elite teams. I'm sure no one knows this more than the new coach.
 
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