Sugar Bowl….Yuk!

[NDOM]

Are you always this angry? Every post you make, you seem pissed off at the world or you want to rub someone's face in their own crap.

What gives?

I'm always this angry. LOL LOL LOL LOL SORRY

 

[dskoo65]

I can agree with that for sure. BUT.......If Kelly were coaching this game there is NO way Florida wins like they did. Florida probly still would have won but not that bad. Cincy aint shit without Kelly.

would have been just as bad. maybe Florida would have been even more motivated after halftime if they thought the great Brian Kelly might motivate his team to mount a comeback.

Kelly won because he had as much talent or more as most of the teams in the crappy Big Least.

 

[johnnykillz]

Ur right about the 5* and 3* thing. Now would you say that this result would indicate what would happen if Boise State or TCU played one of the big boy programs, al la Texas, Florida, Ohio State ect.?

Or maybe a fiesta bowl game with someone like, hmmm, OKLAHOMA?

Let's not forget that great coaching and teamwork can omit the unlevel playing field between players.

 

[johnnykillz]

would have been just as bad. maybe Florida would have been even more motivated after halftime if they thought the great Brian Kelly might motivate his team to mount a comeback.

Kelly won because he had as much talent or more as most of the teams in the crappy Big Least.

Boo dskoo. Boo.

If you're officially starting the internal booster club for Kelly haters, well then congratulations. Pittsburgh beat ND this year and a pretty darn good NC team. As you know of course, NC beat some great ACC teams. The likes of V Tech, and Miami to name a few. These ACC teams that contended with SEC teams and beat a few... Cincy beat Pitt.

Let's keep the conversation relevant.

 

[devolg]

To those who think this game was a reflection of Kelly in anyway shape or form I present thee...

Seriously. Kelly is a motivator. He motivated a team of sub par players to an undefeated season, a top 5 ranking in the BCS & the opportunity to play last years National Champions.

If anything this game showed how bad that team is without him. Do I think they would have won? I doubt it but I think he would of coached them into an opportunity where they at least had a chance. Not the lopsided blow out it ended up being.

 

[NDOM]

To those who think this game was a reflection of Kelly in anyway shape or form I present thee...

Seriously. Kelly is a motivator. He motivated a team of sub par players to an undefeated season, a top 5 ranking in the BCS & the opportunity to play last years National Champions.

If anything this game showed how bad that team is without him. Do I think they would have won? I doubt it but I think he would of coached them into an opportunity where they at least had a chance. Not the lopsided blow out it ended up being.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Kelly won because he had as much talent or more as most of the teams in the crappy Big Least.

Instead of making wild assumptions based on, well, um, nothing, why don't you post something based on fact? Why don't you look at the star ratings of each of those teams in the Big East that LOST to Cinci? In 2007 alone, the following teams had better recruiting classes than Cinci:

Pitt
WVU
South Florida
Rutgers
Syracuse

In 2006, these schools beat Cinci (#70) on the recruiting trail:

Pitt (#11!)
Louisville
Syracuse
Rutgers
WVU
South Florida
UCONN

And in 2005, Cinci had the 7th best class of the Big East (#70 again). Those 3 classes would be sophomores, jrs and seniors this year. Does that sound like a team that's more talented than all the other teams in the Big East??? Nope, sounds like a team that has a coach who can find players who nobody else wanted, coach them up, and put them in spots to succeed.

Or why don't you look at the talent of the Oregon State teams, you know, the one that BEAT SC last year and almost did it again this year? The same Oregon State team that LOST to Cinci these last 2 years. You're telling me Cinci had more raw talent those Ore St teams? Child please.

See, why don't you just come out and say you hate the hire or you hate Brian Kelly? Because when you just straight out make sh!t up, it makes you look bad. Be better than that...

 

[dskoo65]

See, why don't you just come out and say you hate the hire or you hate Brian Kelly? Because when you just straight out make sh!t up, it makes you look bad. Be better than that...

wow. you should be a motivational speaker. you make me want to be a better man.

those precious "star" system rating have proven time and again to be very flawed once those kids spend a few years playing college ball. some of those team ratings should have resulted in better teams by this year in the big east. they didnt. ive watched enough of big east football and cincinnati football to see what is on the field.

i dont hate the BK hire. the jury is still out, but those who think BK would have somehow made cincy compete with a team completely out of their league need to get their noses out of his sphincter.

(some) BK lovers just dont want to admit that competing in the Big East and competing at a big time level are two entirely different things. im not saying he cannot bring ND back. in fact, im certain he will do a much more competent job than Weis did. at ND, squeaking by the Pittsburgh Panthers cannot count as a signature win once order has been properly restored.

 

[NDinL.A.]

wow. you should be a motivational speaker. you make me want to be a better man.

those precious "star" system rating have proven time and again to be very flawed once those kids spend a few years playing college ball. some of those team ratings should have resulted in better teams by this year in the big east. they didnt. ive watched enough of big east football and cincinnati football to see what is on the field.

i dont hate the BK hire. the jury is still out, but those who think BK would have somehow made cincy compete with a team completely out of their league need to get their noses out of his sphincter.

(some) BK lovers just dont want to admit that competing in the Big East and competing at a big time level are two entirely different things. im not saying he cannot bring ND back. in fact, im certain he will do a much more competent job than Weis did. at ND, squeaking by the Pittsburgh Panthers cannot count as a signature win once order has been properly restored.

See, I watched them also, and they were not more talented than the other teams. The draft even says so; look at what UCONN put in the draft the last couple of years. ANd of course star ratings aren't the end all when it comes to evaluating talent. I will tell you this then...if you think Kelly had more talent, then that means he knows how to evaluate talent a helluva lot better than those other coaches. I'll take that any day.

My whole point is, you just threw something out there as if it were fact, when nothing supports what you said. If that means I make you want to be a better man, then thank you, I feel great. If that means that maybe you should think before you just throw sh!t out there, even better. But I doubt you'll do any of those things...you'll just continue to throw out nonsense that is backed by nothing.

I agree the jury is still out on BK. I believe he'll either knock it out the park or he'll be a disaster at big boy football. There's no in between IMO. But I believe he'll knock it out the park, based on his track record and everything he's done/said in this short period of time. I love the way he goes about recruiting. He's bringing in tough, athletic guys that love to play football, positions be damned. You'll see, he's going to bring in guys and put them in the right spots.

Last night, I do think Cinci would have done better with Kelly, absolutely. They played with their THIRD head coach in less than a month, playing against a team that was beyond motivated (playing for their head coach who did a brilliant thing leaking his resignation BEFORE they played instead of after). Or course they were going to get smoked.

Just remember, BK came from a D2 school, where beating schools like Grand Falls wasn't going to be good enough to beat the Eastern Michigans of the world. He knew that, and he won - a lot. Then he went to CMU, where he knew that beating Eastern Michigan wasn't good enough to beat the Pitts of the world He knew that, and still kicked ass. Now he's coming to ND, where squeaking by Pitt won't be good enough. He knows that too.

I have faith in him. If he sucks, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. BUt I'll give im a shot before talking sh!t about him, that's for sure...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I liked it when Tebow ascended to heaven after the game. THat was probably one of the greatest moments in college football history.

Too damn funny. I peed.

 

[dskoo65]

...if you think Kelly had more talent, then that means he knows how to evaluate talent a helluva lot better than those other coaches. I'll take that any day.
...

there always seems to be coaches out there who find kids that the so called expert evaluators missed on. yes, i think Kelly is one of those coaches. he also may have coached some of those kids to be better than some of their higher rated peers. either way, when i watched cincy's big east opponents this year, i just dont see a great deal of talent there. i reserve my right to make a statement of cincy being more talent based on what ive seen and even based on the comments of some former coaches/current commentators (who this year were evealuating what is on the field and not basing anything on how they were rated coming in) ill be interested to see how many of cincys kids make any impact in the nfl vs teams like WV or Pitt.

imo, id say it bodes well for kelly's ability to evaluate talent, to bring borderline kids to their full potential, or both.

 

[TDHeysus]

I liked it when Tebow ascended to heaven after the game. THat was probably one of the greatest moments in college football history.

I was wondering how he was going to top off his college career. I didnt think he was going to be able to pull it off; Boy, was I wrong!

 

[NDinL.A.]

there always seems to be coaches out there who find kids that the so called expert evaluators missed on. yes, i think Kelly is one of those coaches. he also may have coached some of those kids to be better than some of their higher rated peers. either way, when i watched cincy's big east opponents this year, i just dont see a great deal of talent there. i reserve my right to make a statement of cincy being more talent based on what ive seen and even based on the comments of some former coaches/current commentators (who this year were evealuating what is on the field and not basing anything on how they were rated coming in) ill be interested to see how many of cincys kids make any impact in the nfl vs teams like WV or Pitt.

imo, id say it bodes well for kelly's ability to evaluate talent, to bring borderline kids to their full potential, or both.

That's fine, we agree that the jury is still, we'll agree to disagree on the other stuff.

Back on to the Sugar Bowl point, Florida had 31 top 100 players and 26 5 star recruits in that game. Cinci had exactly zero. That game was men against boys. While you definitely don't need a team full of 5 star guys to win, you do need to have some of those guys to win. Our best players last year were 5 stars: Te'o, Floyd and Clausen (Tate was also a stud of course, but a 4 star). The problem was that the other lower rated guys either didn't play well and/or weren't put in good spots by the prior coaching staff. Hopefully that will change with the new staff...

 

[geno]

Ur right about the 5* and 3* thing. Now would you say that this result would indicate what would happen if Boise State or TCU played one of the big boy programs, al la Texas, Florida, Ohio State ect.?

Did you happen to see what Utah did to Alabama last year? Little guy playing one of the big guys. Did you happen to see what BYU and Utah did this year already? Two "little guys" playing the "big boy" programs. Do you really follow college football?

 

[Riddickulous]

I liked it when Tebow ascended to heaven after the game. THat was probably one of the greatest moments in college football history.

Funniest thing I have read in a long time.

The thing about last night is: Brian Kelly was NOT there. What happened last night has no bearing on his coaching abilities. Cincinatti was going up against the second best team in the nation (I honestly do not think Texas is going to do jack squat against Alabama), a Florida team that was way too fast, athletic, disciplined, and skilled for Cincinatti to handle. And Kelly was not there. That above all else.

 

[TDHeysus]

..a Florida team that was way too fast, athletic, disciplined, and skilled for Cincinatti to handle....

nuff said

 

[FrankMA]

Funniest thing I have read in a long time.

a Florida team that was way too fast, athletic, disciplined, and skilled for Cincinatti to handle.

Again, 5 star athletes against 3 star athletes. As one great coach once stated, "You can't coach up speed"- Lou Holtz.
I hope B. kelly does not think he will compete for National Championships with 3 star athletes or we are in trouble.

 

[irishtrain]

whats the big deal?? isnt the SEC just 3-3 in bowl games so far??

heck, the big 10 is 3-2 so far.

of course im not saying the big 10 =sec, but the SEC has in no way had a dominant bowl season to this point.

Yeh, maybe you are right, they are now 4/4 so I may be overstating things, but it does seem the 2 top heavy teams have no egual, I am afraid Texas will get pounded but it would be better for college football if they could break the strangle hold on the NC that the SEC has.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Again, 5 star athletes against 3 star athletes. As one great coach once stated, "You can't coach up speed"- Lou Holtz.
I hope B. kelly does not think he will compete for National Championships with 3 star athletes or we are in trouble.

I have to think he knows that and lets be honest he could only work with what could get at cinn. wins will bring the top recuits.

 

[irishtrain]

This FL game is men against boys. Actually, it's MOTIVATED men against boys. A ton of guys on this FL team is playing their last game for FL, and they are playing for their unhealthy coach. Hell, they had such a great practice that they convinced Liar to go against everything he told his family (and the nation) the night before about quitting. These guys were fired up, and oh, they were playing a program in turmoil, without their head coach. This result was soooooo predictable.

Some ND fans are melting down because of this loss LOL. Anybody who thinks that this game is an indicator of ND's future needs to put the pipe down and chill the eff out. I went on a couple of rivals' boards real quick, and NOBODY was saying that this indicates that Kelly will do the same thing at ND. You could say that this just shows how incredible it was that he even took his team to 12-0, considering how obviously poor in talent they are. This loss doesn't worry me in the least. Losing out on a kid like Anthony Barr would worry me a lot more than this loss...

Now that I've taken a few days to digest the Sugar Bowl I agree whole heartedly and feel like the outcome would have been different with Kelly. Fla wins the game no matter but Kelly would have evened out the emotion and the ploy by Meyer. I dont think he would have let his boys be exposed to an emotional edge by Meyer. With that said Fla still wins the game. I hope he gets another chance with a jacked up bunch of Irishmen down the road.