Big Ten will amplify the call for a 12th team
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Everyone thinks its a forgone conclusion that Fla and Ala will win their bowl games. Remember a few years ago the same stuff was said about mich/osu and their bowl games. It would be great to see both of them get beat. I think one of them picks up a loss.
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Time frame for a move is said to be at least a year away, possibly 18 months. I think this is a great move for the conference. Many positives $$$$.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Time frame for a move is said to be at least a year away, possibly 18 months. I think this is a great move for the conference. Many positives $$$$.
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I wouldn't be dissapointed either way. It would be great, because if we were part of a conference, my choice would be the Big Ten over the Big East. If we don't, very understandable for tradition and the NBC/BCS contracts. I think sooner than later we are going to have to join a conference, so why not jump into the Big Ten while we can?
Reviewing this past year... I could see Ohio State pulling for Youngstown St., UM pulling for Eastern Michigan or Deleware State, and Penn St. pulling for Eastern Illinois... SEC uses those kinds of games to get more bowl eligible teams.... why not Big 10... they play them anyway.
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I was hoping that we would join the Big Ten, but oh well.
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The most logical choice is Pitt because that school is consistently competitive in football and basketball, the two biggest sports in college athletics. Also, outside of the Ohio St-Michigan rivalry, there aren't really any others to note so having a Pitt-Penn St battle for the Keystone State would be great to see every year.
Seeing as the Big Ten didn't want us sixty years ago for being a Catholic school, and for us being Catholic still the last time I checked, I say thanks but no thanks Big Ten. We don't want to share any of our future bowl revenue with you ever!!!!
Seeing as the Big Ten didn't want us sixty years ago for being a Catholic school, and for us being Catholic still the last time I checked, I say thanks but no thanks Big Ten. We don't want to share any of our future bowl revenue with you ever!!!!
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Big Ten?
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I am amazed no one has brought up the probable upcoming offer to join the Big Ten. The Big Ten announced that they will expand in the next 12-18 months. As I see it, there are four criteria that will lead the decision for ND. (tell me if you think I am missing anything)
1. Money. Will ND make more money in the Big Ten?
2. Academics. Will ND's academics and research benefit from inclusion?
3. National exposure. Will ND lose their national presence?
4. Football success. Will ND's chances at a national championship be affected?
In 1997, when ND turned down the Big Ten, the driving answer was money, the NBC contract was too lucrative. Here is my guess as to the answers in 97:
1. Absolutely not. The NBC contract far outweighs Big Ten team revenues.
2. Yes, the Big Ten's shared research capacity will improve academics and research at ND.
3. Yes. ND would have to give up their exclusive deal with NBC, and would lose their status as a national team.
4. Probably not affected.
Now, in 2009, here are my guesses to the answers.
1. Absolutely. Big Ten schools each make $20M / year from tv + BCS. ND makes $14M if they make the BCS, $11M if not. The Big Ten Network alone makes almost as much money for each school as the NBC contract. Plus, the Big Ten would add a championship game, of which ND would get about $1-2M / year.
2. Yes. No change to this answer since 97.
3. Yes, but are not as strong nationally as we were 12 years ago.
4. Not sure. SC, Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Wisc, and a Big Ten Championship game is a tough schedule every year.
Jim Delaney and the Big Ten will ask Notre Dame again. (assuming Delaney does not hold a grudge, which is not out of the realm of possibility) Their other options are bad: Pitt, Missouri, Rutgers, Syracuse, Nebraska, etc.
If you are Father Jenkins, what do you do?
Big Ten?
I am amazed no one has brought up the probable upcoming offer to join the Big Ten. The Big Ten announced that they will expand in the next 12-18 months. As I see it, there are four criteria that will lead the decision for ND. (tell me if you think I am missing anything)
1. Money. Will ND make more money in the Big Ten?
2. Academics. Will ND's academics and research benefit from inclusion?
3. National exposure. Will ND lose their national presence?
4. Football success. Will ND's chances at a national championship be affected?
In 1997, when ND turned down the Big Ten, the driving answer was money, the NBC contract was too lucrative. Here is my guess as to the answers in 97:
1. Absolutely not. The NBC contract far outweighs Big Ten team revenues.
2. Yes, the Big Ten's shared research capacity will improve academics and research at ND.
3. Yes. ND would have to give up their exclusive deal with NBC, and would lose their status as a national team.
4. Probably not affected.
Now, in 2009, here are my guesses to the answers.
1. Absolutely. Big Ten schools each make $20M / year from tv + BCS. ND makes $14M if they make the BCS, $11M if not. The Big Ten Network alone makes almost as much money for each school as the NBC contract. Plus, the Big Ten would add a championship game, of which ND would get about $1-2M / year.
2. Yes. No change to this answer since 97.
3. Yes, but are not as strong nationally as we were 12 years ago.
4. Not sure. SC, Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Wisc, and a Big Ten Championship game is a tough schedule every year.
Jim Delaney and the Big Ten will ask Notre Dame again. (assuming Delaney does not hold a grudge, which is not out of the realm of possibility) Their other options are bad: Pitt, Missouri, Rutgers, Syracuse, Nebraska, etc.
If you are Father Jenkins, what do you do?
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Missouri would be a nice pickup in both basketball and football, but Rutgers would be the most logical for the NY market even if Rutgers isn't a good sports school.
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Missouri would bring a new market in St. Louis to the conference. Big Ten network expansion is something that was discussed in the meetings and is a focal point for the conference going forward. I think Mizzou and Notre Dame are the top two choices for different reasons. Mizzou fits the criteria across the board. Notre Dame is a cash cow.
Don't know about the credibility of your other numbers but this one hasn't been correct since 2006 when ND AD Kevin White renegotiated the new BCS agreement. ND currently gets $4.5 million the same as a conference second place team gets through conference revenue distribution. When ND does not go to a BCS game, they get a 1/66th share of BCS money as the 66th team in the BCS about $1.3 million.
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Boise state makes absolutely no sense
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It won't be Pitt or Syracuse.
This is all about money and markets. The Big 10 already has the entire Pennsylvania market b/c of Penn State. Pitt is hardly important enough to open any new revenue streams. Same with Syracuse. All they can deliver is northwest New York. Thats nothing. Kentucky is interesting b/c of their national basketball following (now that Indiana has essentially fallen off the basketball map), but in terms of market, the whole state of Kentucky is worthless. Its probably going to end up being Rutgers or Missouri, though they'll make a run at us first, and hopefully fail.
This is all about money and markets. The Big 10 already has the entire Pennsylvania market b/c of Penn State. Pitt is hardly important enough to open any new revenue streams. Same with Syracuse. All they can deliver is northwest New York. Thats nothing. Kentucky is interesting b/c of their national basketball following (now that Indiana has essentially fallen off the basketball map), but in terms of market, the whole state of Kentucky is worthless. Its probably going to end up being Rutgers or Missouri, though they'll make a run at us first, and hopefully fail.
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That Creek kid is going to be unbelievable. This state is going to be just as good as North Carolina state basketball very, very soon.
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Mizzou could lead to a huge change for college football if the Big 12 would pick up TCU. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if by 2015 all of the BCS conferences had 12 teams and a championship game.
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why? they definately belong in a better group and the Big 10 is looking for someone to step it up...
makes all the sense in the world if there is mutal interest
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Let's see.
Boise State is in IDAHO, a state that is closer to Cascadia than Minnesota.
The Big Ten has said that they will only take teams from Big Ten states or states that share a border with Big Ten states.
Boise State is not good at other sports.
Boise State is not a good enough school to get in the Big Ten.
Their blue turf is an abomination and their stadium should be blown up.
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Still does it make any sense for boise to fly out to penn state for a conference game and vice versa.
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From Boise State's point of view Yes, Right now they are willing to play any top tier team in the nation in order to help the out better in the BCS race.
From Penn State's point of view, Heck no
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obviously you'd be expanding the region but flying from Iowa to Bosie isn't much different than flying from Iowa to Penn St.
the only point that IrishR brings up that is at all valid is the other sports point... but that doesn't stop schools like Duke from being in the ACC in football and such
the only point that IrishR brings up that is at all valid is the other sports point... but that doesn't stop schools like Duke from being in the ACC in football and such
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I think Rutgers is the best fit for the big ten. New York Market would really help the big ten network...the final decision will be based soley on $$$$$$ so Boise is out! Cinn fan backing in ohio is small...Pitt is small compared to PSU. Notre Dame would be better $$$ wise but I agree with others...I think we are 4-5 years away from joining a conference but it will happen sooner then later!