Corwin Brown dismissed by Notre Dame

[OCIrish]

Because CW put his head up his ass and forgot to pull it out.

 

[jason_h537]

Why did Tenuta take over?

Because Tenuta was supposed to be a proven DC. I think Weis wanted to use his blitzing style to make up for the youth on DL

 

[DirtySecret]

Absolutely agree with this statement. Cincy's D has gotten worse since Dantonio left. As for CB leaving, I'm disappointed. If you look at when he was the DC, the db's played outstanding man coverage, under Tenuta, they really regressed in their coverage skills, please don't blame CB for Tenuta's incompetance.

Exactly! NDdom doesn't see that way. I remember how everybody was saying Robert Blanton was a lock down corner after his freshman year, well that was in the 3-4 scheme. Now look at this year Robert wasn't even a blip on the radar in the 4-3 scheme.

 

[jason_h537]

NDOM will be asking for Kelly's job by week 7. We should start a poll

 

[alleycat9]

guys tenuta was brought in because corwin browns d was not doing the job and was too laid back.

i liked corwin brown as a player, he was a good recruiter but i cannot sit here and say that he had good coordinator skills or that the kids tackled or covered better under his watch. i would say it was quite the opposite.

 

[WabashFalcon]

NDOM will be asking for Kelly's job by week 7. We should start a poll

Te he.

 

[nd1988]

I do think Corwin would have done a nice job had Charlie not brought in Tenuta, they were not a good combo.....good luck to him.

true that...if only people would read stats before talking

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Brown is the anti-Weis. Not a good coordinator but he's going to be a very good head coach if he ever gets the opportunity.

 

[NDOM]

NDOM will be asking for Kelly's job by week 7. We should start a poll

FIRE BRIAN KELLY!!!!!

 

[NDinL.A.]

Sigh.. If you only had a brain cell what would you do with it?

Guys, these type of posts, unprovoked, will not be tolerated. If you have a problem with someone, take it to PM. Argue with them over the points that they are making, not over personal grudges...

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I wish Corwin nothing but the best. He did the best he could and he represented the university very well. He's a class guy.

 

[irishtrain]

Statistic I just saw, Cinn offense was #120 in time of possesion this year. Now that says alot if you end up 12-0 and it does put a lot of pressure on the defense. That will have to change to better balance or BK is a real Houdini.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Who says Brain Kelly staff will be better? From what it looks like he's going try to bring in the Cincy defensive staff which was piss poor staff too. Cincy defense got worst under his defensive staff and that's been proven already been discuss. Please spare me the lack of talent excuse if it's all about development than they shouldn't drop off that much year after year.

How do you figure that it was piss-poor? They weren't spectacular, but they weren't nearly as bad as you are making it seem. Do some research. In each of the last three seasons Cincinnati finished in the Top 10 nationally in sacks. This past season they finished 3rd nationally in tackles for loss, after finishing 23rd and 18th in the previous two seasons. When have you seen ND defenses do that? Even with all of Tenuta's blitzes, we couldn't sniff the QB. And, in each of his three seasons Kelly’s defenses finished in the Top 25 nationally (13th, 25th, 24th). His 2007 defense forced 42 (!!!) turnovers. Not great numbers overall, but not horrible whatsoever. Definitely not 'piss-poor'. And before you throw the strength of schedule argument at us, also remember that he's doing it with 2 and 3 star guys. He won't be doing that at ND.

In 2008, Kelly's QBs were falling like dominoes, and his team still didn't fall apart. Why? His defense stepped up. Go look it up. Seriously, how bad would we have been had Clausen gotten hurt? How about if Clausen, Crist, AND Sharpley got hurt? But yet Kelly still got his team in the BCS bowl, because his defense stepped up.

Yes, they ended this year in very poorly defensively. But that's what happens when you lose 10 out of 11 starters on defense, you turn ND's starting QB into your starting LB, and even HE gets hurt. And guess what, he still got his team to 12-0, and beat teams that ND couldn't beat with our 4 and 5 star guys. Pretty damn impressive.

You're backing up D'Antonio's defense, which is fine, but his team was nowhere near as good as Kelly's. He even went 4-8 his second year (out of only 3). Kelly's record at Cincy dwarfs D'Antonio. Not even close.

ND fans are split on Brown and his effectiveness. Was it Tenuta's crappy system? Was it Brown's lack of coaching-up his secondary? I don't know and I wasn't there. I do know that Cincy's defense wasn't nearly as bad as you guys are claiming...

 

[irishtrain]

NDinLA good stuff it re/enforces my note on the time of possesion but like I was trying to say this guy seems to know how to win football games. Something feels good here.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Reread 49er post. Reread what fitz has said. I'm not going repeat what has already been stated. You dawg Weis and his staff, more than likely you did the same to willingham staff and I guarantee you did the same to Davie & co...

I 'dawged" Weis and Ty and Davie.

 

[NDFan537]

Yes, they ended this year in very poorly defensively. But that's what happens when you lose 10 out of 11 starters on defense, you turn ND's starting QB into your starting LB, and even HE gets hurt. And guess what, he still got his team to 12-0, and beat teams that ND couldn't beat with our 4 and 5 star guys. Pretty damn impressive.

I agree with every word you said about Kelly and his ability to coach up players. That's why we went after him, he is a great coach. He has done it at every level and will continue, imo. He will find the guys he needs to make this staff better for his scheme. I am excited to see what is in store for the future of the program.

I am however sad to see Corwin go. I think he was a good coach and good recruiter and I loved how he wouldn't even let anyone talk about the possibility he would return to Mich. lol He did have to go, it was time, Kelly has a game plan and we should let him play the way he knows how, it seems to have worked.

I do want to add one further point. I am not great at research and I am not calling anyone out, but I thought we had only one 5 star recruit on defense in '09. I thought most of the D was comprised of 3 and 4 star guys. I also believe that our leading two tacklers in '09 were both 3 stars. Just interested to know if any of you would like to look these things up and put a quick count on talent of recruits that played in '09. I think what we will see is we might need BK's ability to coach up lower talent more than we know..............

 

[Big23Head]

I had a feeling this was true but I didn't state it when I heard Corwin was fired:

From SBT - Notre Dame associate head coach and co-defensive coordinator Corwin Brown said Tuesday he was told he would not be part of the new regime - even before Kelly was hired.

 

[Ben E.]

i am not blaming the d problems on him but his behavior after the navy loss was truley embaressing!

 

[BGIF]

Brown to interview at Buffalo

Brown to interview at Buffalo

12/17

<ABBR class=published title=2009-12-17T08:07:00-06:00>Ex-Notre Dame aide Corwin Brown to interview at Buffalo - Chicago Breaking Sports</ABBR>
<ABBR class=published title=2009-12-17T08:07:00-06:00></ABBR>

By Brian Hamilton

At least one former Notre Dame assistant is deep into the process of finding a new home.

Corwin Brown, let go earlier this week by new Irish coach Brian Kelly, will interview with Buffalo today for its vacant head coaching position, a source close to Brown told the Tribune.

Brown served as defensive coordinator for Notre Dame in 2007 and 2008 before assuming a co-coordinator title and ceding defensive play-calling duties to Jon Tenuta in 2009. The Irish finished the '09 regular season with the nation's No. 87 defense; they ranked 39th nationally both in '07 and '08.

There may be a Michigan connection at work to get Brown into the mix at Buffalo: Both Buffalo athletic director Warde Manuel and Brown played football for the Wolverines, though Manuel's career predated Brown's.

 

[irishtrain]

news

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Mods, I agree Brown is quality but you cant fault Kelly for wanting to do it with his people. The real reason I am posting is has anyone else seen where VINNIE CERRATO has been let go by the Skins. Man go get this guy, if he's interested at all in coming back to ND, he knows talent and could be a huge coup for Kelly. Those teams of Lou were stocked with Vinnie's boys.

 

[BGIF]

Mods, I agree Brown is quality but you cant fault Kelly for wanting to do it with his people. The real reason I am posting is has anyone else seen where VINNIE CERRATO has been let go by the Skins. Man go get this guy, if he's interested at all in coming back to ND, he knows talent and could be a huge coup for Kelly. Those teams of Lou were stocked with Vinnie's boys.

Notre Dame Admissions had as much to do with Cerrato's departure in 1990 as did the NCAA changing their rules to eliminate the position of full time recruiting coordinator. Only on-field coaches can recruit today.

What position would you have Vinnie coach?

Salaries for assistant coaches have risen dramatically in the past few years. Monte Kiffin makes $1 million, Muschamp $900,000. But those numbers aren't close to the compensation levels of NFL GMs.

Now think about a guy that has been evaluating NFL talent for 20 years and negotiating salaries with head coaches, players with super egos, and owners with even bigger egos and superagents, and now, he has to get an ND Admissions Administrator's permission to offer a 4.3 WR that never took a math class more advanced than the times tables.

 

[JefMaj]

Vinnie did things in the '80's that were made illegal because of him... calling recruits on a cell phone from the side line during bowl games (on camera - standing near Holtz) saying "this could be you..." when cell phones were pretty new - like lunch pails. Vinnie lived on my cul-de-sac in Granger during his ND days... cocky bastard. I don't know how that plays today? Also, he's 20 years older... might not have the same connection with kids.

 

[BGIF]

Vinnie did things in the '80's that were made illegal because of him... calling recruits on a cell phone from the side line during bowl games (on camera - standing near Holtz) saying "this could be you..."

Rick Mirer!

 

[JefMaj]

I work in Goshen... still a hero Redskin!

 

[irishtrain]

Notre Dame Admissions had as much to do with Cerrato's departure in 1990 as did the NCAA changing their rules to eliminate the position of full time recruiting coordinator. Only on-field coaches can recruit today.

What position would you have Vinnie coach?

Salaries for assistant coaches have risen dramatically in the past few years. Monte Kiffin makes $1 million, Muschamp $900,000. But those numbers aren't close to the compensation levels of NFL GMs.

Now think about a guy that has been evaluating NFL talent for 20 years and negotiating salaries with head coaches, players with super egos, and owners with even bigger egos and superagents, and now, he has to get an ND Admissions Administrator's permission to offer a 4.3 WR that never took a math class more advanced than the times tables.

Thanks for the info thats why you guys are here, good direction, the $$$ wouldnt be the same and of course he wouldnt coach. Thanks for the help. As far as him being cocky I could care less as long as he doesnt break rules. But now I see that wouldnt go...... He'll probably end up at USC/Ala

 

[OCIrish]

Vinnie did things in the '80's that were made illegal because of him... calling recruits on a cell phone from the side line during bowl games (on camera - standing near Holtz) saying "this could be you..." when cell phones were pretty new - like lunch pails. Vinnie lived on my cul-de-sac in Granger during his ND days... cocky bastard. I don't know how that plays today? Also, he's 20 years older... might not have the same connection with kids.

It's still somewhat in style today, Pete Carroll called Brian Cushing either right before the game, or at halftime to tell him this is what he would have to look forward to at Southern Cal.

 

[Steve]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO no Vinny. The Skins already got rid of him, I don't want him back in my life.

 

[alleycat9]

i am not blaming the d problems on him but his behavior after the navy loss was truley embaressing!

i must have missed this what did he do?

disregard i googled it... did not hear about that what a shame for him to say crap like that.

 

[BGIF]

FWIW, per FootballCoachScoops.com

Buffalo:
Our source has confirmed that former Notre Dame Assistant, Corwin Brown, will NOT be the next head coach for the Bulls after interviewing.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Footballcoachscoop.com? Sounds trustworthy. I bet they don't mess up at all.