The Kelly Offense

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Kelly runs the spread, I know. But I would like to know some more details.

What kind of plays does he like to run? Are there a lot of draws from the gun? Quick slants, bubble screens?

Does he usually run the three-wide set with a tight end? Four-wide sets? Two backs with the quarterback in the shotgun?

As long as every run isn't a draw, there aren't 12 swing passes to our slowest receiver per game, and every other throw isn't an out, I'm good.
 

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My understanding is He runs a lot of gos and flys with variation in breaks... it forces the secondary on their heels and opens up things underneath... the variation is often timed routes where the ball is in the air before the break is made which makes it very hard on the DBs in man coverage... zone? hard enough against any kind of spread

he runs a lot out of the shotgun even in short yardage so I think we've seen the last of the power I in south bend for a while...

overall his is offense is hard to scheme at especially since so many spread attacks are spread the field with multiple routes in multiple zones type of sets... BK quarters the field but doesn't throw as many differing routes... his confusion is where the ball goes, not where the players go...
 

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... his confusion is where the ball goes, not where the players go...

Are we talking the Kelly Offense here or the '09 ND Defense?

Our confusion in '09 was where are defenders went regardless of where the ball was.

But I digress.
 

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Are we talking the Kelly Offense here or the '09 ND Defense?

Our confusion in '09 was where are defenders went regardless of where the ball was.

But I digress.

they are a good example of what BK aims to do on offense to an opposing D....


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he runs a lot out of the shotgun even in short yardage so I think we've seen the last of the power I in south bend for a while...
Power I? I can't remember the last time we even used a lead blocker!
 

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Power I? I can't remember the last time we even used a lead blocker!

short yardage??? not so mush thiss year b/c of the lack of a healthy fullback... but in the four years prior under Weis??? all the time...
 

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My understanding is He runs a lot of gos and flys with variation in breaks... it forces the secondary on their heels and opens up things underneath... the variation is often timed routes where the ball is in the air before the break is made which makes it very hard on the DBs in man coverage... zone? hard enough against any kind of spread

he runs a lot out of the shotgun even in short yardage so I think we've seen the last of the power I in south bend for a while...

overall his is offense is hard to scheme at especially since so many spread attacks are spread the field with multiple routes in multiple zones type of sets... BK quarters the field but doesn't throw as many differing routes... his confusion is where the ball goes, not where the players go...

His run game is pretty similar to Weis. avgeraged under 4 ypc last year and under 4.5 the year before
 

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His run game is pretty similar to Weis. avgeraged under 4 ypc last year and under 4.5 the year before

Weis tends to run out of the Ace back... BK from what I have seen and read tends to run out of the shotgun... inside, outside, whatever...

either way, unless it's short yardage neither use a lead blocker out of the back field... so in that regard and in terms of results... yeah
 

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His spread is different than the spread option that you see many teams with extremely athletic QBs use (i.e. Texas w/ Young). He uses a ton of 4 wide and 5 wide sets and is always in the gun. One thing that will kill me when I watch them is that even when it is short and inches, they'll still go out of the shotgun. Against Pitt last week, first and goal from the one inch line, and they go out of the shotgun 3 straight times, while I'm screaming at them to get under center with their 6'6" QB and just sneak it in. But that's not what they do.

But other than that, you're gonna love the way the offense puts points on the board...
 

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Kelly's offense is dynamic, as an early innovator during the early days of the spread, his grand valley state team averaged 58 points a game a record setting pace back in 2000 i believe.
The keys to his offense are threefold
1st)- is the concept of verical stems, most defensive schemes read the opposing pass routes wether it is in a spread or just any multiple reciever set, by watching the angles of the first few steps a reciever takes off the line. This essentailly is a tell for the route thats coming, so you have different starting steps for your whole bunch of crossing routes shallow or otherwise, slants, out patterns etc-- but in kellys "VERTICAL STEMS" usually 4 recievers will all break downfield. a literal jailbreak withthe four recievers dividing the field into 4 slices. The QB does not really read much in this offense, in fact the defense is put under enormous pressure because the ball is often thrown before the reciever breaks off his vertical route into the play route. So essentially Kelly's spread is mre about where the ball is going to go , then say charlie's which is about where the reciverers are going. Most of the time when Kelly's spread starts the recievers are always doing the same thing, breaking downfield and its up to the DB's to figure it out on the fly-- very tricky

2nd) There is actually alot of power running, not just draws or shuttle passes or quick handoffs to catch em by surprise. Kellys's running attack is based on running out of the shotgun but almost always behind pulling guards and tackles.

3rd) As the spread has caught on and so many coaches have there version, kelly has essentially not changed his concept much, what he has changed has been an ever increasin emphasis on FUNDAMENTALS. Blocking and tackling and attention to detail on every play--disciplined consistent execution has been what he has been doing to try and keep his version of the spread, particularly dynamic and with a big edge in execution over other forms.

Brain Kellys offense will be lots of fun to watch and looks like lots of fun to play in as well!
 

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I'm no expert, but from watching Cincinnati sparingly this year, his offensive style reminds me slightly of Mike McCarthy's style in Green Bay (which is where I am from). Both love to open the field up for receivers and really rely on their receivers to get open in order to beat the blitz or pass rush. Instead of sticking another guy back there to block, the idea is that the more receivers, the more apt they are to get open faster. Therefore, the quarterback is more responsible to call out blitzes and call the hot routes accordingly. Again, no expert, but that's what I have seen thus far.
 

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I'm no expert, but from watching Cincinnati sparingly this year, his offensive style reminds me slightly of Mike McCarthy's style in Green Bay (which is where I am from). Both love to open the field up for receivers and really rely on their receivers to get open in order to beat the blitz or pass rush. Instead of sticking another guy back there to block, the idea is that the more receivers, the more apt they are to get open faster. Therefore, the quarterback is more responsible to call out blitzes and call the hot routes accordingly. Again, no expert, but that's what I have seen thus far.

yeah you are on from what I have seen and heard... this is why the o line is so important next year... Jimmy and Golden?? we'll be fine... rebuilt O line?? that could be a real big issue...

his Offense depends on the QB getting time in the passing game (gos and flys that turn into come backs) without using extra TEs and back as help... if the O line doesn't come together it'll be a rebuilding year in general... if they DO come together... it's time to go bowling with the big boys, Citrus, Cotton... BCS??
 
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Personally, I love running from the gun. My new Coach, Erik Raeburn, never went from under center. Everything was in gun. Why? The Quarterback's eyes were ALWAYS downfield when pulling a zone read or a play action fake.
 

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he loves to spread the field and get 1 on 1 coverage and throw it deep..................also, i noticed when they get within 10 yrds of the end zone, he likes to go to a standard i formation...........something charlie weis didnt do........thats y we werent havin red zone success late in the season because he was runnin 5 wide on the 5 yard line
 

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I think kelly will do a good job adjusting to the players we have at ND. Find ways to run the ball more out of different formations with the talent of AA, wood , and riddick, do not know where hughes fits in his offense though
 

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In 2009, Notre Dame was 16th nationally in Time of Possession (31:54), and Cincinnati was 120th (25:37).

At that rate, our defense will be on the field almost 7 more minutes a game next year.

Cincinnati's Scoring Offense was 6th at 39.8 points per game. ND's was 38th at 30.1 points per game.
 

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In 2009, Notre Dame was 16th nationally in Time of Possession (31:54), and Cincinnati was 120th (25:37).

At that rate, our defense will be on the field almost 7 more minutes a game next year.

Cincinnati's Scoring Offense was 6th at 39.8 points per game. ND's was 38th at 30.1 points per game.

This is true. He certainly doesn't hold the Paul Johnson view of the importance of time of possession. However, this is a case where clearly his team was good enough to deal with the disproportionate time on D. If you look at in another way, if his team just scores more quickly than the other team, it does not matter necessarily that the other team wins the time of possession. You both get roughly the same number of drives. Again, would like to see the time of possession swing slightly more in our favor, but the correlation, in Kelly's case, between time of possession and winning percentage is not there.
 

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I keep hearing on here and some other sites that Kelly likes to adapt his offense to the personel.
If that is true, will we see more plays under center?
He doesnt appear to use the TE much, will that change now that he has Rudolph, Ragone, and Welch in the fold?
What about FB? How will Hughes, Paskorz or Roberson fit into his scheme?
I remember seeing 1 or 2 cincy fans on the board recently, maybe they can help answer this
 

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I keep hearing on here and some other sites that Kelly likes to adapt his offense to the personel.

From the PC Transcript:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Q. I know you've been able to adapt your offense to a lot of different things over the years, but ideally would you see yourself installing the same type of spread offense here?
BRIAN KELLY: Yeah, we'd want to be aggressive offensively. We'll have to evaluate. Again, adapting to the personnel is first for me, and we'll move from there. But we won't change the blueprint. It's still going to be a high tempo, aggressive offense that we run. But I'm going to have to get a better feel on the personnel before I can say, here's where we're going to go. But it's going to be aggressive on offense.
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If that is true, will we see more plays under center?

If Wenger plays Center like he did in '08 Weis would be running from shotgun. Who will be the center and will it be a position of strength or weakness?


He doesnt appear to use the TE much, will that change ]
now that he has Rudolph, Ragone, and Welch in the fold?
Kelly has never had the luxury of a TE like Rudolph and possibly like Ragone (chasing down that safety) Either would proabably line up as a WR in UC's multiple receiver sets. How'd you like to be a 5-10 DB having to cover Rudolph? Welch may well sit out the year if Ragone is healthy. And I believe Burger could have a 5th year.

What about FB? How will Hughes, Paskorz or Roberson fit into his scheme?...

Don't know. People have been discussing the "fit" of various recruits, I should think Roberson is the one with the most questions particularly after he and Weis deliberated over his role.

I wouldn't expect a carbon force fit of the UC offense ala Rodriquez moving from WVU to UM as Kelly hasn't had this much talent before. And keep in mind Crist is rehabbing a knee. Do you risk reinjuring a rehabbing knee in Spring Ball moving him into a running QB or do you adept to his strengths' and transition as Crist's knee is shown to be up to it.
 

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Kelly runs the spread, I know. But I would like to know some more details.

What kind of plays does he like to run? Are there a lot of draws from the gun? Quick slants, bubble screens?

Does he usually run the three-wide set with a tight end? Four-wide sets? Two backs with the quarterback in the shotgun?

As long as every run isn't a draw, there aren't 12 swing passes to our slowest receiver per game, and every other throw isn't an out, I'm good.

what is refreshing is Kelly won't be running 25 screen plays per game and i highly doubt we see the fake pass left, spin right, heave into the stands to the short side of the field.
 

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what is refreshing is Kelly won't be running 25 screen plays per game and i highly doubt we see the fake pass left, spin right, heave into the stands to the short side of the field.

Right because if there is one thing we should complain about Weis is his offense
 

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I wouldn't expect a carbon force fit of the UC offense ala Rodriquez moving from WVU to UM as Kelly hasn't had this much talent before. And keep in mind Crist is rehabbing a knee. Do you risk reinjuring a rehabbing knee in Spring Ball moving him into a running QB or do you adept to his strengths' and transition as Crist's knee is shown to be up to it.

I have read that too but it would be interesting to see how he adapts to having talent at every position. Roberson is one of my favorite recruits and could play TB but i dont know how Kelly uses his RB's.
 

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Right because if there is one thing we should complain about Weis is his offense

you are one sensitive individual Jason. whenever i make a post from now on, i am going to make sure i put at the bottom, "the following post is in jest, so please don't get upset Jason." you are rather new to this site and do not understand the banter about certain plays that Charlie used to call. Offense was not this team's downfall this season we all know that. maybe i should've PM'd Junkhead and Neutered and NDOM and Sureal instead of posting to everyone for fear that you would take it the wrong way. Get real guy.
 
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I'm personally tired of the communication flaw associated with "yesteryear's experts." This is commonly thrown around on here by many posters and it doesn't prove any legitimacy. Nor, must I add, is this a popularity contest of any sort.

Jason has a point. Let's not beat dead dogs. Additionally, if an intent through writing is made to convey sarcasm, do make points within context to make it as such. Subtle sarcasm doesn't read as such...

TKO, this isn't at all pointed at you. Another "veteran" poster threw out the "been there, done that" and "paid my dues" cliche' some time ago. It's useless and has no grounds. Here, equality as well as heirarchy is determined by quality, charisma, and relativity. Prom courts work off of popularity.
 
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I'm excited to see the Spread here in South Bend. I like the Spread as an offensive philosophy.
 

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The receivers in the five-wide set:

Michael Floyd
John Goodman
Tai-ler Jones
Duval Kamara
SHAQ
 

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you are one sensitive individual Jason. whenever i make a post from now on, i am going to make sure i put at the bottom, "the following post is in jest, so please don't get upset Jason." you are rather new to this site and do not understand the banter about certain plays that Charlie used to call. Offense was not this team's downfall this season we all know that. maybe i should've PM'd Junkhead and Neutered and NDOM and Sureal instead of posting to everyone for fear that you would take it the wrong way. Get real guy.

oh i can take a joke. i just cant stand stupidity. maybe take a note
 

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The receivers in the five-wide set:

Michael Floyd
John Goodman
Tai-ler Jones
Duval Kamara
SHAQ

Gonna have to take one of them out for rudolph. He's the 2nd best pass catcher on this team
 
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