ND Football HC, best coaching job in America

[IBLEEDB&G]

I don't think there is a coaching job in America that offers the prestige and recognition of the ND HC, with the exception of the NYY. A ND coach who brings home a NC automatically becomes a legend.

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[BGIF]

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It's your premise. Why don't you start?

 

[phork]

Nor the pressure, nor the supremely fickle fans and alums. At ND you are expected to lose no less than 3 games and be in BCS game, if not the NC game every year.

 

[dskoo65]

i think there is no such thing as the best coaching job in america. Urban Meyer may believe he has it. Nick Saban may think he has it.

you can call the ND head coaching job high profile, but in no way does that make it the best or most desirable job. i dont see coaches tripping over each other to come here, only using the threat of coming here to get more money from their current school.

 

[flyingwriter]

I don't think there is a coaching job in America that offers the prestige and recognition of the ND HC, with the exception of the NYY. A ND coach who brings home a NC automatically becomes a legend.

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Please tell me you're kidding . . . .

What year is this again?

 

[NDUK]

Please tell me you're kidding . . . .

What year is this again?

2009 and he's right. It's the same reason why when I was in a bar over (England) here and started speaking to a man with a "Wolverines" top he said he "liked the top". It's why you can watch Michigan but you live ND.

For better or worse, we're always ND and no one else can say that.

 

[dskoo65]

2009 and he's right. It's the same reason why when I was in a bar over (England) here and started speaking to a man with a "Wolverines" top he said he "liked the top". It's why you can watch Michigan but you live ND.

For better or worse, we're always ND and no one else can say that.

its all a matter of perspective. that is a nice corny saying, but if you think people dont live Michigan and UM football (or a number of other historically prominent schools), well, thats a bit arrogant. ive travelled all over the world and lived in Japan, Germany, The Netherlands, and India. i can assure you, the University of Michigan is well known and highly regarded internationally. no one else can say we are Michigan or we are Navy or we are Alabama, etc, etc....sorry, there are schools with just as much history and tradition as ND.

but i digress. there is no doubt the ND head coaching job is a very high profile job. it does not follow that it is the best coaching job in America fior some of the reasons outlined.

 

[Gipper]

It's the best job and the worst job in the country.

It's the worst because you are expected to compete with and beat teams who play kids that don't have the grades to get into community college. If you don't, you get canned and every media outlet in the country calls you a lousy coach.

It's the best job because if you do win here you are an instant legend because you have proven yourself as GREAT coach and everyone knows you did it the right way and with guys whose academics are not in question. You become a national hero.

This job is not for the weak hearted. It's hard as hell and we don't apologize for that. People talk about how Charlie was arrogant, that's what it takes to coach at Notre Dame. You have to be sure of yourself and your ability to coach the true STUDENT-ATHLETE and not just an athlete.

Win a National Championship at any other college and you go to the Pros, win one at Notre Dame and you go to Heaven!

 

[devolg]

The same argument be made for it being the worst due to the pressures, standards & national spotlight.

It's all a matter of opinion. There's some coach at Middle Of Nowhere State whose quietly winning 65% of his games with a small & content following, making decent money who may argue he has the best coaching job in America.

 

[NDUK]

its all a matter of perspective. that is a nice corny saying, but if you think people dont live Michigan and UM football (or a number of other historically prominent schools), well, thats a bit arrogant. ive travelled all over the world and lived in Japan, Germany, The Netherlands, and India. i can assure you, the University of Michigan is well known and highly regarded internationally. no one else can say we are Michigan or we are Navy or we are Alabama, etc, etc....sorry, there are schools with just as much history and tradition as ND.

but i digress. there is no doubt the ND head coaching job is a very high profile job. it does not follow that it is the best coaching job in America fior some of the reasons outlined.

Oh it is all a matter of opinion, I just find it quite interesting that you would rather belittle my post than oppose a Michigan fan laughing at your own team.

It's a bit arrogant that Yankee fans think that they are unique within baseball and yet as much as I dislike them it is still true.

Of course with any cross section there will be differing views on how "diehard" the fans are, but a big reason why I found out about ND and College Football were ESPN and forums with English people who support American teams. It is pretty easy to see that while ND may not be the most popular, those that support them do so with more vigour and passion than the majority of other teams.

There is something unique about ND and that's why I chose them as my team. Winning is not the be all and end all, sometimes its good to just know you're "different" and that's why I don't agree with people who think we should change everything just to be more succesful. There are many ways to measure success, but then I guess I'm just being "arrogant" and "corney". So be it.

 

[NDUK]

The same argument be made for it being the worst due to the pressures, standards & national spotlight.

It's all a matter of opinion. There's some coach at Middle Of Nowhere State whose quietly winning 65% of his games with a small & content following, making decent money who may argue he has the best coaching job in America.

Ah yes but will he ever be regarded as a great coach on the national stage? Fair enough if that isn't his aim all the best to him but the best can coach anywhere and don't see standards and spotlight as pressure but opportunity to prove themselves at the highest level.

It's like saying you don't want to take the Packers or Cowboys job, or you don't want to manage the Yankees or Coach the Knicks. It's just farcicle.

 

[Gipper]

The same argument be made for it being the worst due to the pressures, standards & national spotlight.

It's all a matter of opinion. There's some coach at Middle Of Nowhere State whose quietly winning 65% of his games with a small & content following, making decent money who may argue he has the best coaching job in America.

That coach may say that, but ask him when he got into coaching did he say to himself, "One day i'm going to coach at Middle Of Nowhere State and be mediocre. That's when I'll prove to everyone how great a coach I am."

 

[dskoo65]

There is something unique about ND and that's why I chose them as my team..

all fans should feel that way about their team, no matter if its Michigan, Duke, Navy, or whoever.....the passion is what being a fan is about.

 

[devolg]

Ah yes but will he ever be regarded as a great coach on the national stage? Fair enough if that isn't his aim all the best to him but the best can coach anywhere and don't see standards and spotlight as pressure but opportunity to prove themselves at the highest level.

If the question was what is the best coaching job in America with the highest possibility of reward & prominence than yes but that wasn't the question. The question was if Notre Dame is the best job & I was merely illustrating that it all depends on who you ask. A lot of people don't want the kind of job that comes with the baggage of being the ND head coach so to them no it isn't the best.

 

[NDUK]

all fans should feel that way about their team, no matter if its Michigan, Duke, Navy, or whoever.....the passion is what being a fan is about.

Totally agree, but it is the damning praise by those that hate you or are neutral but understand what you are about that means the most I'd say and those who are honest about ND know there is something unique and special here. Can the same be said of other colleges on masse when they are not performing anything like expectations?

The fact ND is such a prestigous job despite the potentially overwhelming challenges any coach here would face is what let's you know for my money.

If you were going for the ND job on paper but it wasn't at ND you wouldn't look at it twice.

 

[NDUK]

If the question was what is the best coaching job in America with the highest possibility of reward & prominence than yes but that wasn't the question. The question was if Notre Dame is the best job & I was merely illustrating that it all depends on who you ask. A lot of people don't want the kind of job that comes with the baggage of being the ND head coach so to them no it isn't the best.

But logically a lot of people would love the job so that sort of negates your arguement. If you really want to be pedantic the word "best" is too vague to answer anyway and your arguement would fit better in the context of the ease of the job or lack there of.

I understand completely where you are coming from I think we just viewed the question differently due to it's wording.

Of course there is no particular answer hence probably why it says "discuss" which is surely all we are doing?

 

[flyingwriter]

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[IrishinSyria]

It's all a matter of opinion. There's some coach at Middle Of Nowhere State whose quietly winning 65% of his games with a small & content following, making decent money who may argue he has the best coaching job in America.

I sh*t you not, this man has the best job in all of College football: Williams College - Football

He will never be fired unless he does something naughty to a player and his predecessor is now in the College Football Hall of Fame and has a job at Williams that involves watching track meets whenever he feels like it. He lives in one of the most beautiful small towns in America and has access to the best or second best college golf course in the country AND the free time to use it. AND College Gameday came to Williamstown 2 years ago for the Williams-Amherst game. To sum it up: potential for elite-level accolades (A place in the football hall of fame, national coach of the year, time on ESPN), ideal environment for raising a family, and D-3 level pressure. Plus, all you have to do to recruit is show kids the Liberal Arts College rankings and point to the #1 in front of Williams. There's a reason coaches don't leave Williams, its a comfortable life and ideal for raising a family.

That being said, he will never lead his team out of the tunnel with 80,000 people on a sunny but chilly day in South Bend. He will never be compensated at the absurd level the next coach will be. And even if he does end up in the College Football Hall of Fame, he will never be a hero to anybody outside of a small group of people who care about Williams football. So my vote is split, and it completely depends on who the coach is. If its glory you want, Notre Dame is the Elite job. Period. Urban Meyer has won 2 national championships and is on the brink of a 3rd and I'm willing to bet the house his name wouldn't be recognized as well as Weis' outside of Florida.

 

[LeapinLeprechaun]

There is no way ND is the best HC spot. They have to deal with what seems 10x more media exposure than anyone else. The alumni, that hold onto the past, put too much pressure on the program to breathe. It is harder to recruit here. The stress level has to be through the roof.

 

[WaveDomer]

"Best" is a matter of perspective. It is certainly one of the most recognized jobs in sports and if you are interested in recognition, challenge, and being at a school that does it right most of the time, it's your job.

I find it funny when I read posts about how ND was great in the past, kids won't know anything about ND, it's tough to recruit, blah blah blah. Give me a break. Why are people fans of the Steelers? Before they won a few years ago they had a huge drought. Yet Steeler Nation is all over the world. You can find a Steelers bar in any city in America, practically. Why? Because we all are dumb and don't remember the Steel Curtain? If ND is so "past" why is it the only school that would get a nationally televised game versus Stanford with a record of 6 wins and 5 losses? Why is a Michigan fan posting on Irish Envy if we are so "past"? Ask 10 people to name 5 famous things about Notre Dame football. Now ask the same 10 to name 5 famous things about Michigan football. Which will be easier? I'm not downing on Michigan, but to say ND is in the past is blind. Every school goes through a down period. Look at the history at Alabama. They went through a bad period before they got Saban. Same with other schools. Wasn't ND in 2 BCS games within 5 years? Man, I'm tired of hearing this bullcr$p.

There is no problem with ND football except lack of coaching. Hire a good coach and ND will have no problem. Weis was able to recruit. They are on tv every week. They have great facilities. The fans want to win. The athletes are treated like human beings. Is there pressure? Sure. Lots of jobs have pressure. Ever talk to a brain surgeon? But if you like pressure and to compete at the highest level and with history, then ND is one of the best jobs in the country.

 

[IrishAddiction]

Not everyone wants the limelight. Many people are perfectly happy at "Middle of Nowhere State" doing their job, coaching their players, spending time with their family, and living their life. They don't want the national exposure that comes with a major program.

Also, ND might have name recognition, but it's far from the program it once was. ND was good in the past, but that's not the case today.

Most college kids today weren't even born when ND won its last "National Championship." All they know of ND is that it's a Catholic school in Nowhere, Indiana that's academically prestigious and loses 6 or 7 games every year. To them, it's no different than Vanderbilt or Syracuse.

Coaches realize this and seek out jobs with programs that are easier to recruit to and more likely to succeed on the field, programs like Florida, Texas, USC, and even Boise State and TCU. All of these are more prestigious than Notre Dame in the year 2010.

Anybody got a troll bashing club? Wabash, i know your around here somewhere buddy.

 

[jakerbluegold]

I don't think there is a coaching job in America that offers the prestige and recognition of the ND HC, with the exception of the NYY. A ND coach who brings home a NC automatically becomes a legend.

/discuss

I agree with the legend part.

The next Irish coach to win a national championship (hopefuly sooner than later) will automatically be the talk of the college football.

There will be fans crawling out of the woodwork buying up every piece of Notre Dame apparel in the known universe.

I hope it is the next guy, whether it's Stoops, Kelly, or whoever has the stones to take the job.

There's a bronze statue-maker somewhere that needs a job, and we desperately need someone to make this program great again.

I think I could live for a couple of decades off even a top-five finish. Lord knows I've been living of the 88 team for more than that.

 

[flyingwriter]

Anybody got a troll bashing club? Wabash, i know your around here somewhere buddy.

I'm sorry, not trying to be a troll. I know my post was out of line, didn't mean for it to be that way.

 

[irishtrain]

Walking down the street in Italy in 1993 and a guys comes up to me and asks (thru my friend as interpreter) how much for my hat. It was the old block ND with no other marking ( Lou's hat ). I said here take it as I was so impressed with this scene. My friend who was Italian asks the guys if he understood the team the hat represented. In broken English the guy looks at me and says GO Irish!!!!!. Sometimes we forget the power and pull of the place, a coach who wants to embrace that is where we are heading.