Sad Season Retrospective

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Howdy folks! I am new to this board but have spent a lot of time over on Irish Eyes. Due to the way things have been going lately, there have been an inordinant amount of trolls out and I just can't handle it over there right now.

Anyway, I hope this is not the wrong foot to get off on, but, here we go...

After the Purdue game, we were 3-1. We had been in too many hotly contested games, but for the better part, we were winning. The way we were going, I was cautious knowing we needed to play better defense, but at the same time I told everyone, "at some point, people will start to say, 'this team just knows how to win.'" But that was not the case.

In far too many of these games we were losing games because it seemed our players were not prepared; they were undisciplined and did not make the proper adjustments to stop what was working for the opposition.

We have known the entire season that our defense was suspect. Our run defense played very well at times, but less than admirably in others and our pass defense has been porous all year. As an elite offense, you can try to do one of two things:

1. Play conservative and try to control the clock; keep your defense off the field and fresh and hope they make a few stops and your offens can captitalize.

2. Turn games into shootouts and force other teams to play with you; come out slingin' it and mixing it up. Let your offense be electric.

In the first game of the year, we put it on Nevada. Say what you will about Nevada, but we went out trying to score and then score some more. We went up and down the field quickly and efficiently and when we got a stop we turned them into a one dimensional team -- and our defense was able to capitalize.

After a few games though -- more accurately, after the Michigan State game -- we became as conservative as could be. We became less of a dynamic offense and more of a "let's try to eek this one out," kind of team.

In the Purdue game, I understood it. We were without Floyd and Allen and Jimmy was so dinged up with the foot injury he was limited in action. After that game, we never really got back to what we were and what we should have been. In hindsight, I see it more clearly. This team became a team trying not to lose as opposed to trying to win.

Our coach became a man who was coaching simply to try and keep his job.

It's funny. There are those who will look back on this season and be disgusted by what this season turned out to be, but the thing I think that will upset me most -- the thing I will think of about this team -- is what it should have been.

This school may never see a group of skilled position players -- no matter the coach -- like Tate, Floyd, Rudolph and Clausen again. This could have been and should have been the greatest offense in the history of our school -- but it will be remembered as just another team in a 13 year stretch that underperformed.

Sadly, this team turned out to be nothing more than a symbol of one of the saddest eras in our football program's history.
 

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Howdy folks! I am new to this board but have spent a lot of time over on Irish Eyes. Due to the way things have been going lately, there have been an inordinant amount of trolls out and I just can't handle it over there right now.

Anyway, I hope this is not the wrong foot to get off on, but, here we go...

After the Purdue game, we were 3-1. We had been in too many hotly contested games, but for the better part, we were winning. The way we were going, I was cautious knowing we needed to play better defense, but at the same time I told everyone, "at some point, people will start to say, 'this team just knows how to win.'" But that was not the case.

In far too many of these games we were losing games because it seemed our players were not prepared; they were undisciplined and did not make the proper adjustments to stop what was working for the opposition.

We have known the entire season that our defense was suspect. Our run defense played very well at times, but less than admirably in others and our pass defense has been porous all year. As an elite offense, you can try to do one of two things:

1. Play conservative and try to control the clock; keep your defense off the field and fresh and hope they make a few stops and your offens can captitalize.

2. Turn games into shootouts and force other teams to play with you; come out slingin' it and mixing it up. Let your offense be electric.

In the first game of the year, we put it on Nevada. Say what you will about Nevada, but we went out trying to score and then score some more. We went up and down the field quickly and efficiently and when we got a stop we turned them into a one dimensional team -- and our defense was able to capitalize.

After a few games though -- more accurately, after the Michigan State game -- we became as conservative as could be. We became less of a dynamic offense and more of a "let's try to eek this one out," kind of team.

In the Purdue game, I understood it. We were without Floyd and Allen and Jimmy was so dinged up with the foot injury he was limited in action. After that game, we never really got back to what we were and what we should have been. In hindsight, I see it more clearly. This team became a team trying not to lose as opposed to trying to win.

Our coach became a man who was coaching simply to try and keep his job.

It's funny. There are those who will look back on this season and be disgusted by what this season turned out to be, but the thing I think that will upset me most -- the thing I will think of about this team -- is what it should have been.

This school may never see a group of skilled position players -- no matter the coach -- like Tate, Floyd, Rudolph and Clausen again. This could have been and should have been the greatest offense in the history of our school -- but it will be remembered as just another team in a 13 year stretch that underperformed.

Sadly, this team turned out to be nothing more than a symbol of one of the saddest eras in our football program's history.

Depressing but true. I have often felt that we were wasting the talents of Tate, Clausen, Floyd, etc. There are great players out there every year, but with our coaching, why would they keep coming to ND?
 

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Depressing but true. I have often felt that we were wasting the talents of Tate, Clausen, Floyd, etc. There are great players out there every year, but with our coaching, why would they keep coming to ND?

Agree, the same thing occurred last week. We are up 14 early on and take the foot off the pedal. It has been the story of the season. We have flat moments every game and that is why we have lost so many close games. Poor defense, special teams and questionable playcalling when we could close games out never failed to disappoint.
An era of prolific passing and pathetic rushing, this equals losing.
 

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I don't think they were playing or coaching not to lose. They all had heart. Maybe too much, and that caused too many crucially timed bonehead mistakes and penalties. Momentum breakers. Game breakers.

And the refs beat ND at the Michigan game.

Defensive playcalling killed ND, as did special teams.

I predicted .500 at the start of the season. I posted that several times on this site. Believe it or don't, there is still a part of me that hopes ND can keep CW for one more year, and keep Golden and Jimmy. I hope CW can stay healthy.

It's gonna be interesting.
 
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yeah i was wondering about charlie's health after i saw the picture of him at the press conference when he got here and then a picture walking out of the tunnel, wears on you, kind of like a president after 4 years you go gray.
 

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I don't think they were playing or coaching not to lose. They all had heart. Maybe too much, and that caused too many crucially timed bonehead mistakes and penalties. Momentum breakers. Game breakers.

And the refs beat ND at the Michigan game.

Defensive playcalling killed ND, as did special teams.

I predicted .500 at the start of the season. I posted that several times on this site. Believe it or don't, there is still a part of me that hopes ND can keep CW for one more year, and keep Golden and Jimmy. I hope CW can stay healthy.

It's gonna be interesting.

You're my deer and you know this, but come on man....err....deer.

Okay, all kidding aside, when your front five weighs, on average, 280-300 lbs. and you can't get two yards against Navy--or anybody for that matter--I don't think you're playing with too much heart. I think that shows the complete opposite: if you put a 220 lb. defensive tackle up against a skilled 300 lb. offensive lineman and they're both playing with equal desire and determination there's no way that 220 lb. d-lineman should win the battle. I can see him winning a play because of a mistake but when you're inside the five and you're that big and you want it, you should get it in two attempts, three at the most.
 
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yes you da man buddy. i just think the athletes busted their butts, but the playbook and playcalling were just not there.
 

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excuses are for losers. even being close enough to that train wreck of a michigan defense to have a ref affect the outcome is a loss in itself.

Did you watch the game? Have you ever played? Ever coached? Are you aware of the rules? That game was an officiating train wreck.

Ease up on the bonehead cliches.
 
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Excuses are for losers. When you leave it up to the officials, then thats the excuse that is going to come out 90% of the time. UM was a team that got hammered by a 2-7 Illinois team.
 

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Did you watch the game? Officiating was criminal. Cut the crap dude. I have a loooonnnggg memory.

What were we talking about?
 

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Did you watch the game?
answer: yes

Have you ever played?
answer: yes

Ever coached?
answer: yes

Are you aware of the rules? That game was an officiating train wreck.
answer: yes

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WTH does it matter if i played or coached? talk about a cliche argument.

there were some bad calls. nevertheless, michigan has been smoked by Illinois, wisconsin, and penn state, none of which are remotely elite teams. in 2 of those games, the official in those games looked like they were working their first game ever. didnt matter. dont let horrific teams hang around because more times than not you get bad calls.

CLICHE ALERT CLICHE ALERT!!!!

EXCUSES ARE FOR LOSERS
 
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WTH does it matter if i played or coached? talk about a cliche argument.

there were some bad calls. nevertheless, michigan has been smoked by Illinois, wisconsin, and penn state, none of which are remotely elite teams. in 2 of those games, the official looked like they were working their first game ever. didnt matter. dont let horrific teams hang around because more times than not you get bad calls.

CLICHE ALERT CLICHE ALERT!!!!

EXCUSES ARE FOR LOSERS

It matters because you sound silly. Bad calls at crucial moments can change the game. Settle down.
 
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Did you watch the game? Officiating was criminal.

one of the calls everyone thinks was criminal was correct, has been made all year, and all the players had been repeatedly warned about it.

EXCUSES ARE FOR LOSERS

there are calls everyone thinks are criominal in just about every college football game. hammer your inferior opponents. take the officials out of the equation.

hammer michigan
hammer purdue
hammer washington
hammer navy
hammer msu
hammer uconn

ND needs a coach who bring out the HAMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!................ officials be damned.


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whining about officials it what you makes you look silly. its what makes other schools fans smirk behind ND fans backs (or to their face) when they are snivelling about officials after losing to an inferior opponent.
 
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Excuses are for losers. When you leave it up to the officials, then thats the excuse that is going to come out 90% of the time. UM was a team that got hammered by a 2-7 Illinois team.

But when official OWN the game, that might make a difference.

Dude. Enough.
 

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But when official OWN the game, that might make a difference.

Dude. Enough.

EXCUSUS ARE FOR LOSERS.

nd's defense owned the game on the last UM drive. officials didnt constantly escape the nd rush. officials didnt find open receivers.
 

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one of the calls everyone thinks was criminal was correct, has been made all year, and all the players had been repeatedly warned about it.

what call was that? if you are referring to the allen td that was reversed....you sir, are somewhat incorrect (i say that in the nicest way possible).

hind sight may be 20/20, but it does not make a call correct when there's not enough evidence to prove otherwise thru video replay.

it doesn't matter anyway. we lost and it was a criminal way to lose. you can cliche all you want, but if you think for one second that a team of officials can't affect the outcome of a game then you are sadly mistaken.
 

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EXCUSUS ARE FOR LOSERS.

nd's defense owned the game on the last UM drive. officials didnt constantly escape the nd rush. officials didnt find open receivers.

if we had those two td's (one reversed, one on a bogus holding call), nd's defense wouldn't have to make a stop on that last drive.
 

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it doesn't matter anyway. we lost and it was a criminal way to lose. you can cliche all you want, but if you think for one second that a team of officials can't affect the outcome of a game then you are sadly mistaken.

officials can suck, indeed, but players ultimately will have more control in the end, which was the case in the Mich game....ie ND's defense controlled the game in the end.
 

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officials can suck, indeed, but players ultimately will have more control in the end, which was the case in the Mich game....ie ND's defense controlled the game in the end.

like i mentioned above this post....if we had those two td's back that were wrongfully taken away....the defense doesn't have to make a stop at the end.

i call it like i see it. the officials screwed that game up and nd was on the losing end of it.
 

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New poster as well, here. I have been reading your boards for two years now. Told GavinND about it b/c I find the discussion here to be more mature, usually.

Michigan game was a combination of things:

1. Officiating: stole two touchdowns. Every team losesa TD occasionally both both that were reveresed were BS. I can maybe seen the Allen rushing TD being so damn close, but hte holding? Secondly, we are referrring to the non-cal on pass interference in the end, the worst and most obvious non-calls I've ever seen.

2. Defense. We were so under-prepared for that QB option that i was staggered by it from home. We rushed hard from he outside every play, setting up the easy long TD run up the middle. Any coach and QB could see that play would be available when they needed it at the end.

3. Last Mich TD: Great route by the WR, but a slow one, he was barely jogging and we are five yrds. off of him? He should never have been that open. Blown coverage in every level of the defense that day.

Ultimately, what Gavin is talking about are these patterns spread over the entire season. No need to argue and re-hash just one loss when we now have so many. These patterns have emerged where every team can scheme their under-powered offense to exploit us and know they can move the ball at the end of the game, should they have to.
 

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It matters because you sound silly. Bad calls at crucial moments can change the game. Settle down.

NeuteredDoomer, no offense.....but I think you're really missing the point here. Michigan is not a good team AT ALL. They should've beat the breaks off Michigan, but the defense looked unprepared. Remember, early in the season when Tenuta was sending blitzes from everywhere? Guys were blitzing and stunting themselves out of plays leaving the middle wide-ass open. Is this the refs fault? Many were angry at the blown call towards the end of the Pitt game but forget that Wenger gets a 15 yd penalty two plays before. It's a totally different play call at 3rd and 1 then it is at 3rd and 16. The other guys are right. When you lose, you tend to make excuses why you lost. The refs have been bad this season, but if you're a GOOD team you still find a way to win.
ND was not good enough to overcome bad calls and beat a mediocre UM squad. They got beat by UCONN dude. UCONN......let that sink in. I like Charlie Weis. I really wanted him to succeed here at ND. At this point, it's time for him and the university to part ways. He needs to go home and take care of his body. He does not look healthy right now. That being said, this team never seemed to match the intensity of the opponent other than USC. There were always too many penalties, poor execution problems, etc.
The biggest thing I've seen in his five years is that his teams never seemed to match the intensity of the opponent (i.e. - BC, MSU, NAVY, etc) This season has been a sad one. One that I can no longer watch. Call me whatever, but it's been good for my stress levels.
 

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Bitchagain is not a good team. I am not missing the point and I know what I am talking about. The officials stole the game from ND. Period. No excuses. Someone should get fired or investigated. I might poop on your roof.
 
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Furthermore, look at the games all the QBs have had against us and then look at their numbers against other squads. Shinskie (BC) sucked before and after the ND game, but managed to light ND up. Barkley hasn't really done squat since his CAREER HIGH against ND. Face it man, we were not good and our record proves that point. Now we have to go face Toby Gerhart. You best believe that Harbaugh will stick the knife in and twist, if he gets the chance. Just ask USC. Yeah, they lost last week, but they'll be fired up when they see those gold helmets. I'm at peace with what has and will transpire. It's been a sad journey, but there are no excuses. We were just not good enough. I hope they get a coach with alot of fire. The last three were the complete opposite and you see how that worked out.
 

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I'm not saying they didn't get the shaft, because they DID. The refs have been bad across the board this year. Michigan was interfering the WHOLE game. What I'm saying is that against a team like Florida, Texas, or Alabama, it wouldn't even have mattered. Michigan would've gotten there doors blown off. Those teams wouldn't have left the middle of the field wide open like Tenuta did. Against ND....well, it affects the outcome of the game. Why? Because ND has a knack for making the most inexperienced QBs look like AAs. If we have even a decent defense, we would be sitting here at 9-2 at the very least. Instead, our defense can't stop anybody and the offense has regressed. There are bigger problems with this team then the refs.
 

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I was looking at 8-4. I just couldn't buy the hype at the beginning of the season. btw.....it's not that serious dude. really.
 

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I always think a crime is serious. What the ND-Bitchagain refs did was a CRIME. (I just ate some delicious pancakes).

A crime is a crime is a crime. That game changed the direction of everything. A crime is a crime is a crime.

I was looking at 6-6.
 

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Hey guys, couldn't it be safe to say that teams change during hte season. Everybody hopped on the UM bandwagon after they beat us and were saying they might win the big ten and then they took a nose dive. The UM team playing now is a different one than when we played them.
 
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