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[NeuteredDoomer]

Montana, if it is the play I think you are talking about, it was AA trying to fit inside behind a trapping guard. I thought playcalling suffered down there.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Pretty decent read here: Who's in line for Notre Dame job? -- chicagotribune.com

It's all conjecture but I agree with it for the most part. I guess the question on my mind is this: why would you leave a Top 10 program for Notre Dame. Why would Patterson leave TCU? Why would Brian Kelly leave Cincinatti? And, though he wasn't mentioned in this piece, why would Peterson leave Boise State?

I think ND is going to have to look elsewhere for an inspiring young candidate.

Didn't read the article, but I have been thinking the same things you said. The only reason those guys would leave their current positions is the desire to become legends. The guy who takes those smaller programs to BCS will become heroes to their community. The guy who turns around ND will be a god. There's a HUGE difference. But not everybody has the stones to take on that challenge. CW was cocky and maybe dumb enough to take on that challenge head on, God bless 'im...

 

[BeatSC]

Didn't read the article, but I have been thinking the same things you said. The only reason those guys would leave their current positions is the desire to become legends. The guy who takes those smaller programs to BCS will become heroes to their community. The guy who turns around ND will be a god. There's a HUGE difference. But not everybody has the stones to take on that challenge. CW was cocky and maybe dumb enough to take on that challenge head on, God bless 'im...

Do you honestly think that TCU, BS, or Cincy are going to have a better team/program than ND in 5 years? I don't think the current success for these teams is going to last. They can't keep playing these pussy schedules forever. They are going to need to go on the road and take on some of the big boys on a more regular basis. Any coach who thinks they are worth a shit should want to come to ND otherwise they aren't worth the effort. This team has nowhere to go but up. If the new coach can't do better than his 3 predecessors than stay out.

I am going to remain optimistic about next year and hope the new coach can get the same hot start out of the gate that Ty and Charlie got.

 

[NDMontana]

Didn't read the article, but I have been thinking the same things you said. The only reason those guys would leave their current positions is the desire to become legends. The guy who takes those smaller programs to BCS will become heroes to their community. The guy who turns around ND will be a god. There's a HUGE difference. But not everybody has the stones to take on that challenge. CW was cocky and maybe dumb enough to take on that challenge head on, God bless 'im...

Again, we are of like mind. Charlie tried his ass off and never ducked the responsibilites the job entails. God bless him.

I'm preparing to head down to Boise for Thanksgiving with my family and--for anyone who hasn't been there (I know Wavedomer lives there)--they absolutely worship Chris Peterson and that program. Every car has Boise State flag affixed to their antenta. On Saturdays in the fall (and really anytime of year) that town is filled with people wearing blue and orange (and it's not a small town). It's really a fun atmosphere to be around.

The students at ND are so quiet during games, Charlie looks horrible (juxtapose him after today's game and his first press conference) and we as fans all seem to expect the worst (I texted a friend with ten minutes left and said verbatim "We'll get the ball back with seven or eight minutes left and go three-and-out and run no time off the clock, punt the ball back with four minutes left and they (UConn) will either win or tie the game". That's no shit and guess what, I was correct (give or take a minute). It's been the same thing every week and frankly the expectations have began to weigh down the school, the alumni, the coach and the fans. It's sad really.

 

[NDMontana]

Montana, if it is the play I think you are talking about, it was AA trying to fit inside behind a trapping guard. I thought playcalling suffered down there.

I did too. I was complaining after the USC game about using timing routes inside the five (when Kamara slipped), was absolutely livid after the pass against Navy went off Floyd's back and exasperated today when Clausen threw the ball to nobody on another timing route to Floyd. In the redzone, if you're going to throw, you need the QB to be using his eyes and instincts. Does a timing route simplify things? Yes, but it also leads to bad things in the redzone.

 

[tankjeep]

what to say? i dunno.

i'm numb. cw's done.

clausen is gone, but i don't think he's ready for the nfl....call me stupid and his numbers show that he could be, but i don't think he is.

golden is da man, and he could be gone, but damn....i pray that he isn't.

cw loses his job.....but allen and floyd sure didn't help him with some boneheaded fumbles. but again, work in one game does not reflect upon what transpired for the entire season.

harrison smith....what a joke of a player. he's got all the physical attributes to be a solid college player, but he can't blow up a block to save his life. once he was engaged by the blocker, he succumbed to the fate of being out of the play instead of dictating his presence. in other words, he's a big pussy.

bryan smith....seriously overrated. how many tackles did he miss today? it's like he and harrison were afraid to get hit.

cw.....and the red zone? garbage. it's like uconn had the bend but don't break attitude. just get us in the red zone and let the play calling kill the drive. cw's playcalling was terrible at best and the personnel was horrendous. hughes was in on plays where we were close to the goal line and each time he got stuffed. what happened to theo riddick?? he's shiftier than allen and able to take a hit (which we know hughes has a problem with).

lastly, tenuta......at least we know his dumb ass won't be back. thank God, cuz his defense was horrid and terrible. good riddance.

as much as i wanted cw back for next season....after today's game, i came to the realization that it's time for a change. the players (as much as they wanted to play for cw) were underachievers and showed that they were not as well coached as the opposing team.

hats off to uconn for playing a tough game and winning one of the biggest games of the school's history. well done edsen....and RIP to j. howard.

go irish!!

 

[IrishFanForLife]

sorry but u couldnt be more wrong. Cleveland is needing a new quarterback more than any other team.check their numbers.Quinn and Anderson are right on the nfl talent level of ryan leaf.they're that bad.

I wouldn't go that far.Neither of them have played well, but that team is awful they could make a lot of qb's look bad.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I'm watching highlights of the game on ESPNNews. In retrospect, the way the team walked out of the tunnel holding CW at start of the game now feels like more of a funeral procession as I watch (for the tenth time...)

 

[chyrspchuck]

NDinLA, i love you bro, but these mock drafts are by no means experts.....

This one you sent us said Charlie was an offensive genius. You and I know that's not true.

2010 NFL Mock Draft

But I agree Jimmy is probably #2 or #3 best QB coming out this year. He will leave.

 

[phork]

Do you honestly think that TCU, BS, or Cincy are going to have a better team/program than ND in 5 years? I don't think the current success for these teams is going to last. They can't keep playing these pussy schedules forever. They are going to need to go on the road and take on some of the big boys on a more regular basis. Any coach who thinks they are worth a shit should want to come to ND otherwise they aren't worth the effort. This team has nowhere to go but up. If the new coach can't do better than his 3 predecessors than stay out.

I am going to remain optimistic about next year and hope the new coach can get the same hot start out of the gate that Ty and Charlie got.

Boise has been building a stronger program for years now, I'm not sure how you missed it? As for scheduling the bigger boys, no one wants them. Anywhere. Sorry bro, but in the mind of the nation, ND just isn't the place to be anymore..

 

[dskoo65]

i agree phork. i don't think they make top 3. dsook or whatever said they had more talent than anyone in the ncaa.....i disagree. but if jimmy and golden leave, i disagree more strongly

reading is a skill. i said nothing of the sort. i said they have more talent than anyone on their schedule next year (and this year) with the probable exception of usc.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Clausen is the best QB coming out and is a guaranteed top 10 pick.

 

[NDinL.A.]

NDinLA, i love you bro, but these mock drafts are by no means experts.....

This one you sent us said Charlie was an offensive genius. You and I know that's not true.

2010 NFL Mock Draft

But I agree Jimmy is probably #2 or #3 best QB coming out this year. He will leave.

Absolutely right. I'm just trying to point out that it's not just myopic ND fans who think JC will be a high draft choice. It's mock draft after mock draft after mock draft. Yeah, never believe everything you read of course, but 5, 6, 7, 8 mock drafts isn't a fluke, it's a trend.

As for what QB will go first, well, who the hell knows what GM's are thinking??? I think we all predicted that Russell would suck as a pro, but because he could throw the ball 70 yards from his knees, Al Davis took him 1st, forgetting the fact that he was dumber than a doorknob and had questions about his work ethic even in college.

I could definitely see JC going anywhere from the 1st QB to even the 4th, but as of right now, people are very, very high on him. He throws the hardest throw in football beautifully (when he and his receivers are on the same page), the deep out. Scouts love that...

 

[dskoo65]

Yea but, I just don't see how he could be picked in the top 25 and here is why, look at the most likely first 10 pro teams to draft -

Tampa Bay, Detroit, Cleveland, San Fran (traded pick), St. Louis, Kansas City, Oakland, Tennessee, Washington and Seattle.

Of all these teams, St. Louis is the only one really looking hard for a QB. Oakland as well because Russell sucks.

Tennessee, Tampa Bay, San Francisco, Kansas City - not likely
Cleveland, Washington, Seattle - don't see a QB pick at all

I just don't see him going that high brother....

Diz

cleveland needs an nfl caliber quarterback. badly.

scouts agree quinn never had great arm strenth for the deep out type throws and that his accuracy on longer throws was pretty shaky. he had better improve at least the accuracy or he will be what i always figured he's be in the nfl. a career backup.

 

[NDMontana]

Do you honestly think that TCU, BS, or Cincy are going to have a better team/program than ND in 5 years? I don't think the current success for these teams is going to last. They can't keep playing these pussy schedules forever. They are going to need to go on the road and take on some of the big boys on a more regular basis. Any coach who thinks they are worth a shit should want to come to ND otherwise they aren't worth the effort. This team has nowhere to go but up. If the new coach can't do better than his 3 predecessors than stay out.

I am going to remain optimistic about next year and hope the new coach can get the same hot start out of the gate that Ty and Charlie got.

Well I've got some news for you, my friend: The Mountain West is more deserving of being a BCS conference than the Big East or the ACC. Boise State has attempted to schedule better out of conference games (Oregon and Oregon State was a good start) but has been turned down for home-and-home series against bigger schools.

I absolutely think TCU and Boise State can maintain because, honestly, they have both been good programs for sometime. They were just late getting an invite to the party.

 

[NDMontana]

Plus there are a lot of whipsers that Boise State wants to join the MWC and that MWC reciprocates those feelings. If they joined that conference it woud be hard to keep them out of the BCS picture.

 

[Dizzyphil]

cleveland needs an nfl caliber quarterback. badly.

scouts agree quinn never had great arm strenth for the deep out type throws and that his accuracy on longer throws was pretty shaky. he had better improve at least the accuracy or he will be what i always figured he's be in the nfl. a career backup.

So by what you are saying, Jimmy's arm is stronger than Quinn and Anderson? and Jimmy has better accuracy than Quinn or Anderson??? On what do you base this?... out of one good year? Don't think I don't love Jimmy as ND's QB, just want some kind of stat or proof that you can back up that Jimmy is a better pro prospect than that of Quinn and Anderson.

Persuade me my friend. I always listen.

Dizzy

 

[Junkhead]

harrison smith....what a joke of a player. he's got all the physical attributes to be a solid college player, but he can't blow up a block to save his life. once he was engaged by the blocker, he succumbed to the fate of being out of the play instead of dictating his presence. in other words, he's a big pussy.

You are asking a 210lb LB/SS to blow up a block against a 320lb lineman? Not likely often. Calling a player a pussy is uncalled for.

 

[tankjeep]

You are asking a 210lb LB/SS to blow up a block against a 320lb lineman? Not likely often. Calling a player a pussy is uncalled for.

wrong, i'm talking about a 230 to 240 fullback. not an offensive lineman.

determination and grit can get you past a fullback that out weighs you by 20 to 30 lb. along with playing the right angle.

anytime harrison was engaged on a block he did nothing to avert it. he simply allowed himself to be taken out of the play.

players of his supposed caliber are asked to disrupt the play and he did nothing of the sort.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

You are asking a 210lb LB/SS to blow up a block against a 320lb lineman?

And that's the problem...undersized. Mentioned yesterday the Martin prospect is listed on this website at 224 lbs for a DE? A 210 lb linebacker? Not big enough...wonder what Spikes goes at?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

cleveland needs an nfl caliber quarterback. badly.

scouts agree quinn never had great arm strenth for the deep out type throws and that his accuracy on longer throws was pretty shaky. he had better improve at least the accuracy or he will be what i always figured he's be in the nfl. a career backup.

Is JC the answer??? Based on what I saw today....no. He's no more accurate than BQ. Trust me, I get to see it live here in Cle...

 

[fortwayne_nd]

wrong, i'm talking about a 230 to 240 fullback. not an offensive lineman.

determination and grit can get you past a fullback that out weighs you by 20 to 30 lb. along with playing the right angle.

anytime harrison was engaged on a block he did nothing to avert it. he simply allowed himself to be taken out of the play.

players of his supposed caliber are asked to disrupt the play and he did nothing of the sort.

and i can call him a pussy all i want....cuz he surely played like one. he's overrated.

Say hello to NDOM and weisbank.

 

[tankjeep]

Say hello to NDOM and weisbank.

what does that mean?

 

[tankjeep]

Is JC the answer??? Based on what I saw today....no. He's no more accurate than BQ. Trust me, I get to see it live here in Cle...

i think jc needs one more year.

 

[elkona]

Yikes, man. The whole thing -- defense, red zone offense, turnovers -- yikes. Once again, we finish a season getting worse, not improving. I'm stunned watching the implosion of ND football.

 

[NDMontana]

I'm going to jump in on this debate--and hopefully not offend anybody.

It's not Harrison Smith's fault that he sucks, though it is vexing that a player can be a three year starter and never improve his fundamentals. It's the coaching staff's fault for continuing to start a player that sucks.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Say hello to NDOM and weisbank.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

i think jc needs one more year.

Yup....

 

[phgreek]

anybody else see them play that presser when he signed on, he has gained so much weight since then, i was shocked.

...can't speak so much to the weight as I can the vitality...the man looks like a President after his second term...that was tough to see...makes me feel real bad for him, because I can see, without a doubt, he gave this thing everything he had...and it has him beat down...

 

[Riddickulous]

And that's the problem...undersized. Mentioned yesterday the Martin prospect is listed on this website at 224 lbs for a DE? A 210 lb linebacker? Not big enough...wonder what Spikes goes at?

Martin is something like 240-260ish.

Doesn't matter. He ain't comin', anyway.