Post Game Thoughts, Rants, and Other Assorted Posts

[Dizzyphil]

My concern is that Jimmy's stock might drop in the NFL draft if he sticks around another year. Maybe not...just wondering out loud.

He has skills, there is no doubt about it. I love Jimmy's play to death but, I don't think he would be top 25 in the draft. Matter of fact I think these QBs go ahead of him if he does go early. (in no particular order)

Tim Tebow
Colt McCoy
Jarrett Brown
Tony Pike
Dan LeFevour

Dizzy

 

[NDMontana]

He has skills, there is no doubt about it. I love Jimmy's play to death but, I don't think he would be top 25 in the draft. Matter of fact I think these QBs go ahead of him if he does go early. (in no particular order)

Tim Tebow
Colt McCoy
Jarrett Brown
Tony Pike
Dan LeFevour

Dizzy

Tebow? As a tight end or something?

I'm sorry, I think Tebow is a better college quarterback than Jimmy and though I think neither of them will be good QB's in the NFL, Jimmy will at least play that position. Tim Tebow will not.

 

[RECON Daddy]

Though this is somewhat off the wall, one person I would love to see coaching at ND would be Charlie Strong. Not necessarily as the head coach, but as the DC.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Tebow? As a tight end or something?

I'm sorry, I think Tebow is a better college quarterback than Jimmy and though I think neither of them will be good QB's in the NFL, Jimmy will at least play that position. Tim Tebow will not.

I don't disagree with you in the least but, Tebow will be listed as a QB in the draft regardless of where he goes or what position he plays.

Diz

 

[Dizzyphil]

BTW,

If Sam Bradford is healthy enough, he may go before Tebow.

--And don't forget about Jake Locker.

 

[Brown]

too many people here talking out of their ass. JC is a top 15 overall pick (#1 or #2 QB) in next years draft. Read any pro football scouting site.

 

[NDMontana]

I don't disagree with you in the least but, Tebow will be listed as a QB in the draft regardless of where he goes or what position he plays.

Diz

Okay, I apologize Diz. I understand what you're saying now.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

BTW,

If Sam Bradford is healthy enough, he may go before Tebow.

--And don't forget about Jake Locker.

If Sam Bradford is healthy enough he will go before Tebow. I dont think there is a GM north of Jacksonville who would take Tebow over Bradford.

Jimmy should return next season, there are still flaws there that will keep him from having success in the NFL. His inconsistency and footwork specifically.

QB's who would go higher than Clausen:
Sam Bradford
Tony Pike
Jake Locker
Ryan Mallett
Colt McCoy

Im 100% sure of those guys above being ranked higher than Clausen.

 

[NDinL.A.]

He has skills, there is no doubt about it. I love Jimmy's play to death but, I don't think he would be top 25 in the draft. Matter of fact I think these QBs go ahead of him if he does go early. (in no particular order)

Tim Tebow
Colt McCoy
Jarrett Brown
Tony Pike
Dan LeFevour

Dizzy

Dizzy, all due respect, you couldn't be any more wrong. 2 weeks ago I went to 5 different mock drafts, and Jimmy Clausen was in the top 10 of EVERY SINGLE ONE. In fact, on 2 of the drafts he was number 1. Tim Tebow was nowhere to be found in the first round on 4 of 5. The other 4, aside from McCoy, weren't in the first round on ANY of the boards.

To be honest, your list is awful. The QBs that will threaten JC according to most drafts are Jake Locker, Sam Bradford and even Ryan Mallett on some boards.

And that wasn't including Kiper's big board, in which he was number 8.

Now, these aren't Gospel of course, but they are all very good indicators that NFL GM's are very high on Jimmy right now.

Here's some fun reading for you guys:

Draft Countdown - 2010 NFL Mock Draft

NewNFLDraft.com: 2010 NFL Mock Draft

2010 NFL Mock Draft Part Two

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/2010mock.htm

Go check out where Jimmy is. It's both exciting for me as a huge fan of his (one thing I've been right on, probably the only thing LOL, is that I have firmly believed and defended exhaustively the fact that JC is a complete stud) and sad because he'll most likely be gone next year...

 

[Dizzyphil]

Okay, I apologize Diz. I understand what you're saying now.

I know what you meant too Bro. I think the misconception about Jimmy is his Junior numbers. He has had a banner year, but just one. I know he is a smart guy, has to be, and I'm sure he can't think he would be a high pick in '10 draft. (maybe not even first round) I think he stays to be honest. Even if, if , if, CW leaves or is made to leave, Jimmy needs a senior year to solidify he is a top pick.

Diz

 

[Brown]

Champen, should we take your word over what's being reported on most major NFL draft sites?

Kiper has Clausen going behind Locker somewhere in the top 15.

NFL Draft Scout analysts have Clausen as the #1 overall pick in one of their recent mocks, and have him as the #1 rated QB in next years draft.

 

[thetuna]

too many people here talking out of their ass. JC is a top 15 overall pick (#1 or #2 QB) in next years draft. Read any pro football scouting site.

Mel Kiper has him at 8 behind Bradford & Locker.

Personally, I think that is high.

I think after the combine - he'll be a late first rounder. His accuracy on short throws is not NFL ready. Throws an NFL fade and a nice deep ball already though.

 

[NDMontana]

Mel Kiper has him at 8 behind Bradford & Locker.

Personally, I think that is high.

I think after the combine - he'll be a late first rounder. His accuracy on short throws is not NFL ready. Throws an NFL fade and a nice deep ball already though.

I think he puts a bit too much air under his deep balls. NFL defensive backs, given even a split second to catch up to a receiver who had them burnt, will make a play. I don't know, I'm certainly not short on instances when I've been wrong but I don't see Jimmy Clausen as a good professional--senior year or not.

That being said, he's a fine college quarterback and I'd be happy to see him back at ND.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Dizzy, all due respect, you couldn't be any more wrong. 2 weeks ago I went to 5 different mock drafts, and Jimmy Clausen was in the top 10 of EVERY SINGLE ONE. In fact, on 2 of the drafts he was number 1. Tim Tebow was nowhere to be found in the first round on 4 of 5. The other 4, aside from McCoy, weren't in the first round on ANY of the boards.

To be honest, your list is awful. The QBs that will threaten JC according to most drafts are Jake Locker, Sam Bradford and even Ryan Mallett on some boards.

And that wasn't including Kiper's big board, in which he was number 8.

Now, these aren't Gospel of course, but they are all very good indicators that NFL GM's are very high on Jimmy right now.

Here's some fun reading for you guys:

Draft Countdown - 2010 NFL Mock Draft

NewNFLDraft.com: 2010 NFL Mock Draft

2010 NFL Mock Draft Part Two

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/2010mock.htm

Go check out where Jimmy is. It's both exciting for me as a huge fan of his (one thing I've been right on, probably the only thing LOL, is that I have firmly believed and defended exhaustively the fact that JC is a complete stud) and sad because he'll most likely be gone next year...

Yea but, I just don't see how he could be picked in the top 25 and here is why, look at the most likely first 10 pro teams to draft -

Tampa Bay, Detroit, Cleveland, San Fran (traded pick), St. Louis, Kansas City, Oakland, Tennessee, Washington and Seattle.

Of all these teams, St. Louis is the only one really looking hard for a QB. Oakland as well because Russell sucks.

Tennessee, Tampa Bay, San Francisco, Kansas City - not likely
Cleveland, Washington, Seattle - don't see a QB pick at all

I just don't see him going that high brother....

Diz

 

[NDinL.A.]

QB's who would go higher than Clausen:
Sam Bradford
Tony Pike
Jake Locker
Ryan Mallett
Colt McCoy

Im 100% sure of those guys above being ranked higher than Clausen.

Actually, you're 100% wrong.

Go to my post up above, #159, and it shows 4 mock drafts and where JC is slotted to go.

 

[BeatSC]

Additonal Thoughts:

Additonal Thoughts:

The MVP's of today's game were Turk and Ruffer. Both played to their potential. Other than that nobody on this team played flawlessly. GT dropped catchable passes, as did Armando. AA and Floyd fumbled. KO return team blew it (cost us 2 games this year). Our D-lone and O-line are not top 25 material this year. Out LB's inclding Teo are non-factors. The DB's probably played their best game but the tandem of McCarthy & HS gave up the big TD.

JC will stay if we get a pro-style Head Coach (Jim Harbaugh). He might also stay for Stoops and Kelly. HE won't stay for a spread option coach like Urban. Tate will do well under Urban and would be used alot like Percy Harvin. A great offensive coordinator in the NFL doesn't translate into a great OC let alone HC in CFB. Charlie will walk away a rich man but no doubt will be sad about what he didn't accomplish. He did leave the program better than he got it which is not what Ty or Davie can claim. That is the least he could do since he will be walking away with $18M.

As for claims about rebuilding? Even Ty came in and won 8 straight. Charlie was 9-2 in his forst 11 and should have been 11-0. Why can't we do well if we truly get the coach we want.

Kudos to Turk and Ruffer. The rest of the team knows they could have played better. This team was flat as Olive Oil after the score was 14-0.

 

[Irish4Life09]

Yea but, I just don't see how he could be picked in the top 25 and here is why, look at the most likely first 10 pro teams to draft -

Tampa Bay, Detroit, Cleveland, San Fran (traded pick), St. Louis, Kansas City, Oakland, Tennessee, Washington and Seattle.

Of all these teams, St. Louis is the only one really looking hard for a QB. Oakland as well because Russell sucks.

Tennessee, Tampa Bay, San Francisco, Kansas City - not likely
Cleveland, Washington, Seattle - don't see a QB pick at all

I just don't see him going that high brother....

Diz

sorry but u couldnt be more wrong. Cleveland is needing a new quarterback more than any other team.check their numbers.Quinn and Anderson are right on the nfl talent level of ryan leaf.they're that bad.

 

[phork]

I don't think Bradford is going to be anywhere near the top10. He'll be ready for workouts a week before the draft, which limits his exposure. My bet is he is 2nd round at best. Not many teams want to invest big money in a guy thats been hurt, especially as severely as Bradford.

 

[NDMontana]

The MVP's of today's game were Turk and Ruffer. Both played to their potential. Other than that nobody on this team played flawlessly. GT dropped catchable passes, as did Armando. AA and Floyd fumbled. KO return team blew it (cost us 2 games this year). Our D-lone and O-line are not top 25 material this year. Out LB's inclding Teo are non-factors. The DB's probably played their best game but the tandem of McCarthy & HS gave up the big TD.

JC will stay if we get a pro-style Head Coach (Jim Harbaugh). He might also stay for Stoops and Kelly. HE won't stay for a spread option coach like Urban. Tate will do well under Urban and would be used alot like Percy Harvin. A great offensive coordinator in the NFL doesn't translate into a great OC let alone HC in CFB. Charlie will walk away a rich man but no doubt will be sad about what he didn't accomplish. He did leave the program better than he got it which is not what Ty or Davie can claim. That is the least he could do since he will be walking away with $18M.

As for claims about rebuilding? Even Ty came in and won 8 straight. Charlie was 9-2 in his forst 11 and should have been 11-0. Why can't we do well if we truly get the coach we want.

Kudos to Turk and Ruffer. The rest of the team knows they could have played better. This team was flat as Olive Oil after the score was 14-0.

The linebackers turn into non-factors because of the predictable blitzing that leaves them running right into blockers or right past running backs. Even when the team doesn't blitz, for instance on the fourth down UConn converted, they are put out of position by bad coaching. On that fourth down and short, Te'o was lined up two yards outside the tackle (by design I assume). In that instance there was no way UConn was going to pitch the ball or run off tackle. So why the hell wouldn't all four linebackers be between the tackles?
So Jon Tenuta is every bit as culpable as Charlie Weis. However, Weis will--and correctly so--take the fall.

As for the special teams gaffes....well....this team certainly finds a new way to lose every week. Piss poor punting against Pitt, kickoff return today but the consistent elements in every loss have been piss-poor tackling and a complete inability or lack of willingness to play for 60 minutes.

Oh well. We'll see what happens going forward. The one bit of good news is this: today was Harrison Smith's last game, too. Four years of watching that moron being a space cadet as plays go right by him, making virtually no tackles and committing mind-blowing penalties (Pitt last year). I hate to be classless but if I were in attendance in South Bend today I wouldn't have booed 32 of the seniors, Charlie Weis, hell I wouldn't have booed the loss; but I sure as hell would've booed Harrison Smith.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Actually, I don't know how someone could say that Cleveland needs another rookie QB. Cleveland's problem is they don't have a coach......ahem.....

Anyway, in the Pro football, you can't keep rotating in and out QBs and expect to have a good year. Cleveland's problem is they can't make up their mind on QB. Trust me, Quinn has the skills to be a great NFL QB. Not to mention, Cleveland has the WORST defense in the NFL statistically.

Diz

 

[BeatSC]

The linebackers turn into non-factors because of the predictable blitzing that leaves them running right into blockers or right past running backs. Even when the team doesn't blitz, for instance on the fourth down UConn converted, they are put out of position by bad coaching. On that fourth down and short, Te'o was lined up two yards outside the tackle (by design I assume). In that instance there was no way UConn was going to pitch the ball or run off tackle. So why the hell wouldn't all four linebackers be between the tackles?
So Jon Tenuta is every bit as culpable as Charlie Weis. However, Weis will--and correctly so--take the fall.

As for the special teams gaffes....well....this team certainly finds a new way to lose every week. Piss poor punting against Pitt, kickoff return today but the consistent elements in every loss has been piss-poor tackling and a complete inability or lack of willingness to play for 60 minutes.

Oh well. We'll see what happens going forward. The one bit of good news is this: today was Harrison Smith's last game, too. Four years of watching that moron being a space cadet as plays go right by him, making virtually no tackles and committing mind-blowing penalties (Pitt last year). I hate to be classless but if I were in attendance in South Bend today I wouldn't have booed 32 of the seniors, Charlie Weis, hell I wouldn't have booed the loss; but I sure as hell would've booed Harrison Smith.

Trying to be optimisitc my guess is this team will come in with more fire, strangth and conditioning than any team since Lou's. I am hoping for Urban or Harbaugh I think that as a football player these kids will look up to them and play harder. We were flat again today. Still can't figure out how this D shut out Nevada.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Actually, you're 100% wrong.

Go to my post up above, #159, and it shows 4 mock drafts and where JC is slotted to go.

I would love to have him back as well,...

Looking at the draft, I could see JC going to the Vikings. He would have a tremendous mentor would he not???? I would root for him as I do any Irish pro. Do you think he would take pick 30 money? I think he would if CW is for sure gone. I would like to see everyone stay for next year regardless of CWs exit or stay.

Diz

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

The linebackers turn into non-factors because of the predictable blitzing that leaves them running right into blockers or right past running backs. Even when the team doesn't blitz, for instance on the fourth down UConn converted, they are put out of position by bad coaching. On that fourth down and short, Te'o was lined up two yards outside the tackle (by design I assume). In that instance there was no way UConn was going to pitch the ball or run off tackle. So why the hell wouldn't all four linebackers be between the tackles? ...

As for the special teams gaffes....well....this team certainly finds a new way to lose every week. Piss poor punting against Pitt, kickoff return today but the consistent elements in every loss have been piss-poor tackling and a complete inability or lack of willingness to play for 60 minutes. ...

Good point about the blitzing, and that is why there is never any pursuit and pass help.

It does seem more like inability based on fatigue, not due to lack of effort. I think they bust it as much and as long as they can.

 

[NDMontana]

Trying to be optimisitc my guess is this team will come in with more fire, strangth and conditioning than any team since Lou's. I am hoping for Urban or Harbaugh I think that as a football player these kids will look up to them and play harder. We were flat again today. Still can't figure out how this D shut out Nevada.

Pretty decent read here: Who's in line for Notre Dame job? -- chicagotribune.com

It's all conjecture but I agree with it for the most part. I guess the question on my mind is this: why would you leave a Top 10 program for Notre Dame. Why would Patterson leave TCU? Why would Brian Kelly leave Cincinatti? And, though he wasn't mentioned in this piece, why would Peterson leave Boise State?

I think ND is going to have to look elsewhere for an inspiring young candidate.

 

[phork]

Cleveland has no supporting cast.

 

[thetuna]

Trying to be optimisitc my guess is this team will come in with more fire, strangth and conditioning than any team since Lou's.

I must have heard this precise quote from a 100 alums coming into this season.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Cleveland has no supporting cast.

+1


True Dat


Diz

 

[NDMontana]

Good point about the blitzing, and that is why there is never any pursuit and pass help.

It does seem more like inability based on fatigue, not due to lack of effort. I think they bust it as much and as long as they can.

I'm sure you're right but I still can't fathom how--with the game hanging in the balance, needing one score to take the wind out of your opponent's sails--a group of 300 lb., four and five star recruits (most of them three year starters) can't get two yards to put the team in the endzone. I don't care how tired you are--you suck it the fuck up and get in the endzone.

 

[BeatSC]

I must have heard this precise quote from a 100 alums coming into this season.

About this year's team or or when Charlie is gone? Charlie is not the best role model (lead by example) for these kids. I really like someone who has been there.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

Well, this is me venting...

I have defended CW through nearly three years of abismal football. I have taken the beatings that I should have been able to boast wins about in stride and simply said, "we're getting there." I have talked the talk to fans of teams that my team should have been able to walk the walk against. And time and time again I have had to go into work on Monday and hang my head and say. "We're still the greatest team in the land," whilst thinking I have nothing to use to prove why...

As the head coach it is the unglorifying responsibility to take all the harsh words, no matter what it entails about he program, from all angles. And I can't defend him any longer... To me, he has taken the expectations, shouted them to the world, and has not backed them up. It feels like a lie, and I can't take being mocked any longer. CW has let ND nation down for what I hope is the last time.

I give him props for setting us up to be great and I only fault him for not getting us to that next level. I hope he leaves gaciously knowing that he has built great potential and has in deed, advanced the program from where he took over, however little of an advance that it was. CW, its time to bow out.

As for the furture. I hope all those ND players who are eligible to enter the draft think long and hard. It would be a shame for them to leave knowing thier college legacy is that of mediocrity. Knowing that they haven't finished any of what they set out to complete. However strong thier individual performaces were, that as a team, they didn't reach the bar set before them.

Part of playing at Notre Dame is taking on this sort of resposibility. And I hope they come back next year to complete their task for whomever it is that is chosen to lead them.

Thats my point of view. Whew, I feel like I can stomach life a little better.