New coach will coach the bowl game, right?

[thetuna]

If so, that means Charlie will leave with a worse or equivalent record to Ty and Bob D.

Plus he had a 3-9 season and lost to Navy, twice.

Honestly, if it weren't for Scouts.com, he would DEFINITELY be considered the worst of the 3. I wonder what his legacy will be though.

 

[jason_h537]

I have no idea what scouts.com has anything to do with this but Charlie will likely coach the bowl game. When has the new coach ever come in for 1 game? Unless he decides to leave it is usually the assistant who will take over in a bowl. Weis isclass, he will finish the year.

 

[NDFLA]

It will be similiar to that of Fausts, he was a good guy, he loved ND, and failed.

 

[jason_h537]

Who is the guy who always brought up inside info? he always brought up scouts for some reason also. Post just reminded me of him

 

[thetuna]

I have no idea what scouts.com has anything to do with this but Charlie will likely coach the bowl game. When has the new coach ever come in for 1 game? Unless he decides to leave it is usually the assistant who will take over in a bowl. Weis isclass, he will finish the year.

I think the new coach will definitely be in place before the bowl game. I can't see how Charlie would coach it.

 

[thetuna]

I have no idea what scouts.com has anything to do with this but Charlie will likely coach the bowl game. When has the new coach ever come in for 1 game? Unless he decides to leave it is usually the assistant who will take over in a bowl. Weis isclass, he will finish the year.

My point is that Charlie's major PLUS was his perceived prowess in recruiting.

 

[BGIF]

I think the new coach will definitely be in place before the bowl game. I can't see how Charlie would coach it.

And will the new coach you see in your crystal ball use his own assistants he's bringing with him or will he use the current assistants he's going to fire?

Think it through.

 

[thetuna]

And will the new coach you see in your crystal ball use his own assistants he's bringing with him or will he use the current assistants he's going to fire?

Think it through.

He probably won't have a staff in place so he'll either coach with the existing coaches or defer to a current assistant. He won't likely let Charlie do it.

 

[jason_h537]

Anew coach WILL NOT come in just to coach in a bowl game. Also Weis CAN recruit. It is not perception. You can question his development but this roster is loaded with talent. It takes more than just talent to win.

 

[phork]

Unless this coach is not currently with a team headed to a later bowl game, then no. The new coach won't be on until after the season is done.

 

[thetuna]

Anew coach WILL NOT come in just to coach in a bowl game. Also Weis CAN recruit. It is not perception. You can question his development but this roster is loaded with talent. It takes more than just talent to win.

How could you tell if you had a good recruiting class in 1970. Now, how can you tell now in the Internet Age? Think about that.

 

[NDMontana]

If Swarbrick decides to make a change I wouldn't be surprised to see ND turn down a bowl game. I could honestly see Clausen declining to play because of possible injury or because he doesn't want to play for somebody besides Charlie.

And since CW is obviously gone, I don't think ND is going bowling this year. And frankly, I'd prefer they don't.

 

[thetuna]

If Swarbrick decides to make a change I wouldn't be surprised to see ND turn down a bowl game. I could honestly see Clausen declining to play because of possible injury or because he doesn't want to play for somebody besides Charlie.

And since CW is obviously gone, I don't think ND is going bowling this year. And frankly, I'd prefer they don't.

I don't agree. I think you go to a Bowl game when offered. Also, I think Clausen is gone.

 

[NDMontana]

How could you tell if you had a good recruiting class in 1970. Now, how can you tell now in the Internet Age? Think about that.

How can you tell? Well, you look at the schools that are consistently reputed to have top recruiting classes: USC, Alabama, Florida, Texas and look at their on field results. Hmmm....I guess there must be something to the respective scouts/recruiters thoughts on players.

ND is probably in the same place as Florida with Ron Zook: great recruits with the wrong coaching. Florida's next coach came in and won National Championships with those recruits.

Yes, the people who rank recruits seem to know what they're talking about; you, on the other hand, don't.

 

[NDisme]

it will be the same as when ty got fired his staff will coach the game but he wont

Anew coach WILL NOT come in just to coach in a bowl game. Also Weis CAN recruit. It is not perception. You can question his development but this roster is loaded with talent. It takes more than just talent to win.

 

[NDMontana]

I don't agree. I think you go to a Bowl game when offered. Also, I think Clausen is gone.

I'm glad you don't agree--it means the probability of my post being accurate is astronomically high.

 

[jason_h537]

How could you tell if you had a good recruiting class in 1970. Now, how can you tell now in the Internet Age? Think about that.

Evaluate talent. Thats how all coaches do it. Are you trying to tell me that there is no talent on this team? Jimmy, Golden, Te'o, KLM, Floyd, Rudolph, T-Rob, Brian Smith, Hayseed, Ethan Johnson, Filer, Fleming, Cwyner and on and on have no talent? They may be flawed, i know watching the defense i wanna strangle all of them sometimes but a good defensive coach could turn them around in a year. You don't need scouts.com to see that, you just have to know football

 

[thetuna]

How can you tell? Well, you look at the schools that consistently reputed to have top recruiting classes: USC, Alabama, Florida, Texas and look at their on field results.

That's right. You look at on field results. Still not getting it? Seriously?

If you consistently lose to schools with far worse recruiting classes per Scouts and Rivals, then either the rankings are wrong (my belief) OR you have a bad scheme.

 

[thetuna]

Evaluate talent. Thats how all coaches do it. Are you trying to tell me that there is no talent on this team? Jimmy, Golden, Te'o, KLM, Floyd, Rudolph, T-Rob, Brian Smith, Hayseed, Ethan Johnson, Filer, Fleming, Cwyner and on and on have no talent? They may be flawed, i know watching the defense i wanna strangle all of them sometimes but a good defensive coach could turn them around in a year. You don't need scouts.com to see that, you just have to know football

What I am saying is that Charlie was beloved because of his Top 10 recruiting classes and his 4 & 5 star players. My point is that Scouts and Rivals aren't God. A top 30 class may be just as good as a top 10. It is all smoke and mirrors.

Does ND have some unbelievably talented players? Yes. But when you consistently lose to teams that are well down the Scouts/Rivals ranking, maybe the ranking is flawed.

Or your coaching sucks. Or both.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

What I am saying is that Charlie was beloved because of his Top 10 recruiting classes and his 4 & 5 star players. My point is that Scouts and Rivals aren't God. A top 30 class may be just as good as a top 10. It is all smoke and mirrors.

Does ND have some unbelievably talented players? Yes. But when you consistently lose to teams that are well down the Scouts/Rivals ranking, maybe the ranking is flawed.

Or your coaching sucks. Or both.

The coaching just sucks, Notre Dame, FSU, and Miami have been brining in good recruiting classes yearly for awhile now.

The player development at all 3 has been average, and we've suffered on the field because we can't get the most from our guys consistently.

 

[kmoose]

I think the new coach will definitely be in place before the bowl game. I can't see how Charlie would coach it.

You should stop drinking, then. Any coach that ND goes after, better have his own bowl game to be coaching in. That's not to say that Charlie Weis will be the coach for a bowl that ND may, or may not, accept a bid to. But there sure as hell will NOT be a new hire coaching the bowl game.

 

[NDMontana]

That's right. You look at on field results. Still not getting it? Seriously?

If you consistently lose to schools with far worse recruiting classes per Scouts and Rivals, then either the rankings are wrong (my belief) OR you have a bad scheme.

No, you said how can you tell these recruits are good. Well, Notre Dame's recruiting classes have ranked right up there with the aforementioned schools for four straight years. Look at their results, look at ND's results. Obviously it's coaching because those schools do great with their top 15 recruiting classes while ND hasn't.

And, as I said, Florida's recruits under Zook were consistently top 10 but the results were mediocre. Insert a new coach and that same .500 team won a National Championship the next year.

Do you even know what point you're arguing or are you just arguing?

 

[NDMontana]

Somebody get a moderator in here.

 

[thetuna]

No, you said how can you tell these recruits are good. Well, Notre Dame's recruiting classes have ranked right up there with the aforementioned schools for four straight years. Look at their results, look at ND's results. Obviously it's coaching because those schools do great with their top 15 recruiting classes while ND hasn't.

And, as I said, Florida's recruits under Zook were consistently top 10 but the results were mediocre. Insert a new coach and that same .500 team won a National Championship the next year.

Do you even know what point you're arguing or are you just arguing?

LOL. Let me spell this out then. How were TCU's, Boise State's, Utah's and Cincy's recruiting classes ranked? Were they in the top 10? Obviously not, so the fact ND was put in the top 10 by some ranking organization means nothing to me. It is illusory. Clearly, it means something to you.

 

[thetuna]

Somebody get a moderator in here.

Why? Because I disagree with you? Why on Earth would we need a moderator?

 

[jason_h537]

LOL. Let me spell this out then. How were TCU's, Boise State's, Utah's and Cincy's recruiting classes ranked? Were they in the top 10? Obviously not, so the fact ND was put in the top 10 by some ranking organization means nothing to me. It is illusory. Clearly, it means something to you.

Let me spell it our for you.

Look at teams who ahve won national championships in the last 20 years and teams that are consistantly in the top 10 in the polls and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM have pulled in consistant top 10 classes. As good as Boise, TCU, and Cincy have been in the last few years there success is directly related to good coaching and sub par competition. Name me a BCS school that has won consistantly with 3 star guys and the big east does not count?

 

[NDMontana]

LOL. Let me spell this out then. How were TCU's, Boise State's, Utah's and Cincy's recruiting classes ranked? Were they in the top 10? Obviously not, so the fact ND was put in the top 10 by some ranking organization means nothing to me. It is illusory. Clearly, it means something to you.

Coaching. Coaching. Coaching. You're making my point for me. Thank you.

 

[phork]

If you get invited to a bowl, you have to go. Just for the extra practice, if nothing else.

 

[Junkhead]

Somebody get a moderator in here.

I'm here. Agree to disagree it sounds like.

 

[NDMontana]

If you get invited to a bowl, you have to go. Just for the extra practice, if nothing else.

I think you go if your current coaching staff is going to be place the next season but I don't think you hire a new coach or let the old coaching staff coach the team. Too much animosity, too many hard feelings. Plus, you don't want the outgoing assistants trying to sway players to transfer to their next school.