Has the current state of CFB passed ND by?

[Master Guns]

Maybe Notre Dame is closer to being a Duke, Vanderbuilt, Stanford & Northwesten in the new era of college football. Every few years we make a run for the BCS game. Most times we will be a 7-5, 8-4 team.

It has been nearly 16 years when we could truly say we had a legit shot at a National Championship.

Remember, No one wanted this job last time and the time before. We had to settle for the 3rd, 4th or even 5th selection. At least Charlie wanted to be here. Other coaches used ND to get more money from their current university.

Does ND's requirements hamstring the football program. Guys like Zorich and Rice could not have played at ND under the current requirements.

 

[a.van2eman]

Maybe Notre Dame is closer to being a Duke, Vanderbuilt, Stanford & Northwesten in the new era of college football. Every few years we make a run for the BCS game. Most times we will be a 7-5, 8-4 team.

It has been nearly 16 years when we could truly say we had a legit shot at a National Championship.

Remember, No one wanted this job last time and the time before. We had to settle for the 3rd, 4th or even 5th selection. At least Charlie wanted to be here. Other coaches used ND to get more money from their current university.

Does ND's requirements hamstring the football program. Guys like Zorich and Rice could not have played at ND under the current requirements.

regarding the academic requirements, i think it does affect the football program..........if you remember holtz had asked them to lower the academic but was denied and that was one of the reasons he left............but that doesnt mean we cant have a good program..... look at stanford, their doing pretty well this year

 

[JefMaj]

Michigan goes 49 years without a NC, 45 for LSU, Texas 35, USC 32, Ohio St. 38, Tenn 31, Georgia 28... Has academics made Miami and Florida St. irrelelevent? In the 130 years of college football ND's 21 years has been blip on the time-line. Look at our last 4 recruiting classes. We are a few great defensive players away from a full house. Whether CW builds this proram or some "great" new coach puts them together. We are simply in a lull. Win or lose when was the last time Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, Vanderbilt were in a BCS. We are not that far removed.

 

[jonesman]

Football has NOT passed ND by. We have plenty of talent to be right in the mix. I am not looking for National Championships, just freaking top 20 team consistently. We should have easily been top 15 this year. Look at who are in the Top 15. Are you telling me that those are the Super Powers of NCAA? If we had 3 losses right now, we would be in the Top 25. Charlie has lost my confidence. HE is the issue, not ND>

 

[Junkhead]

Michigan goes 49 years without a NC, 45 for LSU, Texas 35, USC 32, Ohio St. 38, Tenn 31, Georgia 28... Has academics made Miami and Florida St. irrelelevent? In the 130 years of college football ND's 21 years has been blip on the time-line. Look at our last 4 recruiting classes. We are a few great defensive players away from a full house. Whether CW builds this proram or some "great" new coach puts them together. We are simply in a lull. Win or lose when was the last time Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, Vanderbilt were in a BCS. We are not that far removed.

Well put.

 

[Skuch22]

Football has NOT passed ND by. We have plenty of talent to be right in the mix. I am not looking for National Championships, just freaking top 20 team consistently. We should have easily been top 15 this year. Look at who are in the Top 15. Are you telling me that those are the Super Powers of NCAA? If we had 3 losses right now, we would be in the Top 25. Charlie has lost my confidence. HE is the issue, not ND>

Idk I think it was the horrible hires of Bob Davies and Ty that was the issue. CW has been building ND from the ground up and I believe if he gets fired(I hope that doesn't happen this year) the incoming coach will do great things with his players. Its true to that if ND cared that much for the football program then y wouldn't they lower the grade standards for the team?

 

[kmoose]

Idk I think it was the horrible hires of Bob Davies and Ty that was the issue. CW has been building ND from the ground up and I believe if he gets fired(I hope that doesn't happen this year) the incoming coach will do great things with his players. Its true to that if ND cared that much for the football program then y wouldn't they lower the grade standards for the team?

Why would they? Think about it from the University President's point of view for a minute:


Unlike many other schools, ND's Football program is not some kind of huge cash cow for the school. I mean, ND Football brings in a ton of money, but the school gets lots of money, even without it. My brother was recently the Executive Officer of the NROTC Battalion at ND. The Midshipmen Lounge, in the ROTC building, has it's own endowment!! Some retired military officer, who hit it big in the civilian business world, left a couple of million dollars in a trust, just for the freaking lounge. While a brand all of it's own, the football program is just one small part of the entire University. The President has a responsibility to the overall University. The prestige of a degree from Notre Dame would still be there, football notwithstanding. It might be a little old fashioned, putting the emphasis on education at an institute of higher learning, but that is exactly what built ND into the prestigous school that it is. Why should the University compromise that?

 

[JefMaj]

I agree with the Davie and Ty comment... they had dragged us down. Lou wears a neck brace a few games and Bob's on the sideline...then goes to the most pressure packed position on football? Ty has a few mediocre years and then goes from Stanford to ND based on a few games. They both sucked... big time and recruited for shit. They might say Harbaugh is a good recruiter - but he's a Ty II waiting to happen. He could end up 7-5 this year. He beat USC - who beat OSU, Cal., and us - big deal... Michigan beat us... Oregon came off a big win at USC and went flat against Stanford. Harbaugh's an experiment... change for change's sake... we've been there done that. A Camry traded for an Altima. Big deal. We are an America institution.... at least a CTS... with the big 'vette engine.

Oh, check out Fitzpatrick's last few years at NW - he's gona end up 7-5 with a SOS of 103. Who has that? 103???

We stay put and develop through depth and recruiting over the long haul.... or get the big engine.

 

[wpchief4]

i think that we have been slow to adapt with such things as a training table, speed and strength development, facilities, and technology with recruits, these are major things now in college footba ( look at Florida and USC), CW has started to build some of these things but I'm not sure he is built for college coaching

 

[JefMaj]

You ever seen our facilities? We've had great strength and conditioning coaches for 3 decades. Indoor facilites, weight room and conditioning.... We were ahead of the curve on that. If you read about the changes... mostly adapting to olympic sports. May suffer in table fare.

 

[Skuch22]

Why would they? Think about it from the University President's point of view for a minute:


Unlike many other schools, ND's Football program is not some kind of huge cash cow for the school. I mean, ND Football brings in a ton of money, but the school gets lots of money, even without it. My brother was recently the Executive Officer of the NROTC Battalion at ND. The Midshipmen Lounge, in the ROTC building, has it's own endowment!! Some retired military officer, who hit it big in the civilian business world, left a couple of million dollars in a trust, just for the freaking lounge. While a brand all of it's own, the football program is just one small part of the entire University. The President has a responsibility to the overall University. The prestige of a degree from Notre Dame would still be there, football notwithstanding. It might be a little old fashioned, putting the emphasis on education at an institute of higher learning, but that is exactly what built ND into the prestigous school that it is. Why should the University compromise that?

Thats what I mean man I agree education is way more important then football. It just seems that ND football gets so much pressure and that the University cares alot about it so if they really cared that much about it then they should lower the grade standards and if they aren't going to, then they should be happy with weis and not have such high standards with the football program. You can't have it both ways.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

This team has enough playing talent to go to BCS bowls and win a NC. I swear, Golden Tate is the second coming of the Rocket.

What is this team's record if they could have just eliminated the stupid mental errors? Good coaching gets players focused and keeps them that way.

 

[jason_h537]

Thats what I mean man I agree education is way more important then football. It just seems that ND football gets so much pressure and that the University cares alot about it so if they really cared that much about it then they should lower the grade standards and if they aren't going to, then they should be happy with weis and not have such high standards with the football program. You can't have it both ways.

You can have it both ways and the recruiting Weis has been able to do proves that you can. Notre Dame is just as relavent now as ever. I dont see Virginia's or Colorado's coaching situation being talked about all the time. People keep complaining about ND's academic standards yet forget that we have had consistant top 10 classes under Weis.

 

[Skuch22]

You can have it both ways and the recruiting Weis has been able to do proves that you can. Notre Dame is just as relavent now as ever. I dont see Virginia's or Colorado's coaching situation being talked about all the time. People keep complaining about ND's academic standards yet forget that we have had consistant top 10 classes under Weis.

Tuschay if thats how u spell it ha

 

[elkona]

Have you even watched the games this season? ND has enough talent this year that it should be 8-2 or 9-1. The problems, IMO, involve: this team starts games slowly (motivation problem), kicks itself in the nuts w/ dumb penalties at the worst possible moment, and the defense is probably better than it shows, but still quite average. CW should have fixed the first problem. The second problem isn't fixed because he isn't in control of this team anymore. And the third problem stems from CW have a total lack of interest in defensive football.

So, no. Nothing has passed ND by. We should compete for a national championship. We will compete for a NC IF Swarbrick gets it right with this next coach. A guy like Kelly or Meyer would keep CW's prized recruits AND turn them into better players.

So pray that Swabrick does his homework and has a coach lined up before he fires CW in two weeks.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

Fiddy Cent on Conan...looks like a truck driver, long haul. Breaker, breaker, good buddy...got a copy?

 

[Allocco 121975]

Maybe Notre Dame is closer to being a Duke, Vanderbuilt, Stanford & Northwesten in the new era of college football. Every few years we make a run for the BCS game. Most times we will be a 7-5, 8-4 team.

It has been nearly 16 years when we could truly say we had a legit shot at a National Championship.

Remember, No one wanted this job last time and the time before. We had to settle for the 3rd, 4th or even 5th selection. At least Charlie wanted to be here. Other coaches used ND to get more money from their current university.

Does ND's requirements hamstring the football program. Guys like Zorich and Rice could not have played at ND under the current requirements.

Guys like them couldn't have played or qualified for admittance to the University under Ara or Devine either! They lowered the bar for Lou and its never been the same since.

 

[ubet49]

Tuschay if thats how u spell it ha

Touche'

 

[JefMaj]

And, Ara & Devine must have made the stringent academics workable....

 

[weisbank4]

This "ND has been passed by" is patently ridiculous.

ND has its own TV station. ND has its own apparell licensing. ND is a brand to itself. The fact that a mundane Weis press conference is aired on ESPN just because his job may be in jeopardy should tell you something.

These are excuses. Notre Dame just played a home game in Texas. You think Vanderbilt, Stanford, and Northwestern could do that?

All bogus excuses for the poor leadership and hiring at ND.

 

[BeatSC]

This thread has drawn some excellent responses. I think we are a punter, DC and DL stud away from a BCS game and NC this year even with Weis at the helm. We have been in every game depsite the D, punter and young DL. We are really close. I will accept a new coach but I will also accept CW staying put if he wins his next 3 games. My guess is fi he were to pull that off the tone would change on this board. HE still needs to revamp his D coaching staff. Tenutu has been the biggest bust at ND, even compared to Ty!

 

[jason_h537]

This thread has drawn some excellent responses. I think we are a punter, DC and DL stud away from a BCS game and NC this year even with Weis at the helm. We have been in every game depsite the D, punter and young DL. We are really close. I will accept a new coach but I will also accept CW staying put if he wins his next 3 games. My guess is fi he were to pull that off the tone would change on this board. HE still needs to revamp his D coaching staff. Tenutu has been the biggest bust at ND, even compared to Ty!

I would like to agree. A solid kicking game and a DC to teach fundametals would go a long way but to expect a freshman, even one as talented as Chris Martin, to get us to the next level is too much

 

[Master Guns]

Why would they? Think about it from the University President's point of view for a minute:


Unlike many other schools, ND's Football program is not some kind of huge cash cow for the school. I mean, ND Football brings in a ton of money, but the school gets lots of money, even without it. My brother was recently the Executive Officer of the NROTC Battalion at ND. The Midshipmen Lounge, in the ROTC building, has it's own endowment!! Some retired military officer, who hit it big in the civilian business world, left a couple of million dollars in a trust, just for the freaking lounge. While a brand all of it's own, the football program is just one small part of the entire University. The President has a responsibility to the overall University. The prestige of a degree from Notre Dame would still be there, football notwithstanding. It might be a little old fashioned, putting the emphasis on education at an institute of higher learning, but that is exactly what built ND into the prestigous school that it is. Why should the University compromise that?

ND Football grad rates should make all fans of the Irish proud. But did you know that all the revenue from the football program alone, pays for all athletics at ND?

 

[Jason Pham]

Guys like them couldn't have played or qualified for admittance to the University under Ara or Devine either! They lowered the bar for Lou and its never been the same since.

Many players that would have been admitted during the Ara or Devine tenures would not be admitted today. In fact, the transfer admissions office states on their website that Rudy would probably not be admitted as a transfer today given a standard of admissions that has tightened significantly over the last couple of decades.

Something to think about before arguing that today's standard of admissions for athletes, lowered perhaps only relative to the rising standard for non-athletes, is significantly different from that of the past.

 

[JefMaj]

One reason the Rudy thing has changed - Rudy blew up Holy Cross - it's now a 4 year college with dorms... When he went there, there were 2 buildings and a parking lot. The number of kids that tried to transfer and got accepted was high then - few tried because of money. Now, enrollment there has a gameplan of transferring - so the competition has grown exponantially... guys that were accept on Brother John's word.... don't get that path anymore.

 

[kmoose]

ND Football grad rates should make all fans of the Irish proud. But did you know that all the revenue from the football program alone, pays for all athletics at ND?

It is also funds many scholarships for non-ahtletes, as well. But my point was........ND would still be a wealthy University, without the football income. Let's say ND is in the Bill Gates/Warren Buffet category now.......take away the football revenue, and they would still be in the Jerry Jones/Stepehen Spielberg category. Perhaps not quite as well off, but still doing very nicely.

 

[kmoose]

And, Ara & Devine must have made the stringent academics workable....

They did, but they also didn't have the 85 scholarship limit. They could offer as many scholarships as the University could afford, and that was ALOT. So they could throw 10 guys (who were all All County, at least, in High School) at a position, and see who excelled.