Pat Forde Hits Nail On The Head

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From ESPN.com:

Notre Dame (16) will do whatever it pleases with Charlie Weis (17) -- fire him, retain him, give him another $30-plus million for almost beating USC. Whatever. He should have been dismissed a year ago, after the humiliation in the Los Angeles Coliseum, so any corrective action taken now comes a year too late.


The Irish are only 35-24 under Charlie Weis' watch.
But while we're waiting for the Fighting Irish brass to decide what to do with their football coach, The Dash has to admire how the man has built a five-year, get-rich-quick scheme out of virtually nothing. Look at Weis' record, and there is no substance to it.

His overall record is 35-24. If the Irish lose Saturday at Pittsburgh, his winning percentage will be .583 -- which means he'll still be succeeding at the identical rate that got Tyrone Willingham (18) canned after three seasons. His ability to create a double standard out of recruiting hype got him two more years of fat paychecks.

But there's nothing more to Weis than that.

Whom has he beaten? An endless succession of nobodies. Of his 35 victories, exactly two have come against teams that finished the season in Jeff Sagarin's ELO_Chess Top 30 (the rankings the BCS uses). One of those was against Michigan in Weis' second game as coach, in 2005 -- the Wolverines finished that year No. 24. The other was against Penn State in the second game of Weis' second year -- the Nittany Lions finished that year No. 14.

Since that victory over Penn State in September 2006, Weis' past 24 victories have been against teams ranked 35th or lower by Sagarin -- most of them much lower.

In fact, the average Sagarin ELO_Chess rank of all 35 Weis victims is a 73. Which basically means the Irish would have been hell on wheels in Conference USA over the past five seasons.

And isn't that what Notre Dame football is supposed to be all about?
 

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From ESPN.com:

Notre Dame (16) will do whatever it pleases with Charlie Weis (17) -- fire him, retain him, give him another $30-plus million for almost beating USC. Whatever. He should have been dismissed a year ago, after the humiliation in the Los Angeles Coliseum, so any corrective action taken now comes a year too late.


The Irish are only 35-24 under Charlie Weis' watch.
But while we're waiting for the Fighting Irish brass to decide what to do with their football coach, The Dash has to admire how the man has built a five-year, get-rich-quick scheme out of virtually nothing. Look at Weis' record, and there is no substance to it.

His overall record is 35-24. If the Irish lose Saturday at Pittsburgh, his winning percentage will be .583 -- which means he'll still be succeeding at the identical rate that got Tyrone Willingham (18) canned after three seasons. His ability to create a double standard out of recruiting hype got him two more years of fat paychecks.

But there's nothing more to Weis than that.

Whom has he beaten? An endless succession of nobodies. Of his 35 victories, exactly two have come against teams that finished the season in Jeff Sagarin's ELO_Chess Top 30 (the rankings the BCS uses). One of those was against Michigan in Weis' second game as coach, in 2005 -- the Wolverines finished that year No. 24. The other was against Penn State in the second game of Weis' second year -- the Nittany Lions finished that year No. 14.

Since that victory over Penn State in September 2006, Weis' past 24 victories have been against teams ranked 35th or lower by Sagarin -- most of them much lower.

In fact, the average Sagarin ELO_Chess rank of all 35 Weis victims is a 73. Which basically means the Irish would have been hell on wheels in Conference USA over the past five seasons.

And isn't that what Notre Dame football is supposed to be all about?

Pat Forde is to Notre Dame what Sean Hannity is to Democrats. In other words, Pat Forde doesn't report news or facts but, rather, perpuates his opinions as fact.

Pat Forde is an unabashed Notre Dame hater....has been for years.

"The Dash"? They should rename his article "The Douche"
 

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You're going to catch hell for posting that. Can't argue it much though.
 

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The knowledgable Irish fans know this and have been saying it for awhile. Its the ones with blinders on who have no clue...who are the problem. They are content with mediocrity and Weis.
 

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Pat Forde is to Notre Dame what Sean Hannity is to Democrats. In other words, Pat Forde doesn't report news or facts but, rather, perpuates his opinions as fact.

Pat Forde is an unabashed Notre Dame hater....has been for years.

"The Dash"? They should rename his article "The Douche"

Not a forde fan. Not saying hes right. But he has some facts in this.
 

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The numbers that Forde put forth aren't opinions....they're statistical facts. I know it sucks, but you can't argue with them. I'm not, and won't call for Charlie's head, but the writing has been on the wall for over a year now....
 

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Not a forde fan. Not saying hes right. But he has some facts in this.

I wasn't implying that there weren't facts sprinkled (in either "reporters" case). But they never paint the complete picture. Forde doesn't make up stories out of thin air. But Forde--like Hannity--is a "preaching at the choir" type: he's just saying shit that's tailored towards the audience he has in order to incite anger. Notice how Forde doesn't even mention BOb Davie, who, record wise, is near identical to CW. You know why he doesn't do that? Because nobody inside/outside ND gave a shit when Davie was fired. But Ty Willingham was a Notre Dame haters dream as the race card was able to be played. None of them can back it up with fact; if someone had a smoking gun that bitch Mark May would take out a full page ad in USA Today to tell the story.

There's no difference between the posters on this board (myself included) and The Douche...except he earns a handsome salary from ESPN. Seriously, we all use facts to back up our own perceptions and ignore facts that present information that contradicts what we believe. So we use some facts and some opinions....as does The Douche.
 

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I agree with the "not telling the whole story" angle on Pat Forde. It seems like one of the biggest reasons everyone is making Weis' regime out to be such a big deal is because we jumped all over him and gave him a HUGE extension, and since he hasn't lived up to expectations ESPN is kicking shit in our faces, because they HATE Notre Dame
 

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I agree with the "not telling the whole story" angle on Pat Forde. It seems like one of the biggest reasons everyone is making Weis' regime out to be such a big deal is because we jumped all over him and gave him a HUGE extension, and since he hasn't lived up to expectations ESPN is kicking shit in our faces, because they HATE Notre Dame

I've always wondered why ESPN hates ND so much. Yes, ND has a huge fan base but even if ND didn't have a contract with NBC does ESPN honestly think that anyone would be watching their Saturday afternoon dogshit games? When ND is on NBC it seems that ESPN is usually airing an Indiana, Michigan State, Wake Forest or East Carolina. Does ESPN honestly think that anybody is watching that dog shit anyway? When ND isn't on t.v. I don't watch other games unless it matches two ranked teams or, at the least, a ranked team facing a decent opponent. I certainly wouldn't tune into ESPN to watch Wake vs. Maryland or Indiana vs. Northwestern.
 

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lol, BINGO! now that is "hitting the nail on the head" ND nation is so huge, and is such a huge draw that perhaps.....ESPN is angry they don't have them all for themselves? ah I don't know all the Eastern Seaboard Programming Network cares about are the Bo Sox, the Yankees, and the Patriots and Celtics....
 

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This one thing we should all agree on...Notre dame is the biggest draw in college football. When you can play a game all the way down in San Antonio, Texas against a team like Washington State and sell out a 60,000 dome...that speaks volumes. If Florida would have tried that in San Antonio...there would have been 20,000 people at most.
 

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definently.....I think the "ND" symbol is one of the 5 most recognizable sports symbols in the world.
 

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When does one step back, even for a brief second, and realize the sniping by ESPN on ND is deserved? The whole May/Holtz thing is a joke on to itself, but really... Some good stats in there..
 

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Most of you posters here are MUCH younger than I. We got Ara as our coach in my sophomore year. We won the national championship my senior year. And ever since I have followed my team. I am not as astute in the complexities of football as some who spend much more time at this pursuit. I have been a fan all these years and have seen the ups and downs. I think Charlie is a decent guy. But I don't think he is the answer. Mind you a guy like him gets multiple millions in salary each year which makes him answerable to the slighest downturn. And there has been a downturn since he was hired. The school has been on a roll for some years hiring quirky guys as coach, Faust, Davie and Willingham. This guy is just another chapter. It is time to get a COACH. We need a head coach with:

1. Experience and success as a head coach in football, preferably college, but Pete Carroll broke that mold so I would get on the Jon Gruden bandwagon.

2. Proven administrative skills, hiring effective coordinators.

3. At least a dollop of charisma to deal with the media and alums and administration....see Dan Devine.
 

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no no, I agree with you phork.....there is no reason that with the recruiting classes we've been getting that we should be getting by the likes of syracuse, and navy
 

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Wow, Pat Forde wrote an ND article without throwing in Ty Willingham at all. He usually find some witty way to work the firing of Ty in his articles.
 

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When does one step back, even for a brief second, and realize the sniping by ESPN on ND is deserved? The whole May/Holtz thing is a joke on to itself, but really... Some good stats in there..

I suppose one loses the ability to do that after years and years of ESPN being completely subjective when it comes to Notre Dame. ND fans hold their team to a higher standard on and off the field. ESPN runs feel good stories about other schools like ND on Outside the Lines or on those two hour editions of Sports Centers with that one guy who has the sappy voice. Conversely, ESPN's coverage of ND is often done in a mocking way. When ND wins a big game, they devote two minutes of Game Day Final to it. When ND loses they run 45 minute stories. So instead of just reporting the facts or ever praising ND for their tradition, commitment to academics and overall excellence, they like to mock Notre Dame and its fanbase when the school struggles.

But they lionize USC and Florida. You know why they talk about Tim Tebow so much? It's because he's probably the only likeable player on Florida's roster and probably damn near the only literate one, too.
 
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Steeler nation hahaha i think you think you know more than u do, but i agree it does speak volumes but we did not sell out that dome, close but no.
This one thing we should all agree on...Notre dame is the biggest draw in college football. When you can play a game all the way down in San Antonio, Texas against a team like Washington State and sell out a 60,000 dome...that speaks volumes. If Florida would have tried that in San Antonio...there would have been 20,000 people at most.
 

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Steeler nation hahaha i think you think you know more than u do, but i agree it does speak volumes but we did not sell out that dome, close but no.


I know more than you do...isnt that all that matters? anyway...tomato..tamato..
 

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hahahahahahahahahaha you know more than me? that is funny, well agreed to disagree, go ahead tell me all you know about the 80s.
I know more than you do...isnt that all that matters? anyway...tomato..tamato..
 

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haha never said i wanted to know, cuz i prolly already do just sayin, who was ur favorite player from the 88 team?
 
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