Reasons to Keep/Fire Weis

[DCirishfan]

I was hoping a weis hater was going to convince me that I am wrong...but this response is weak, and doesnt hit on enough topics. I do thank you for making an attempt to answer my questions, but I still DONT see how weis was responsible for the specific plays that I laid out. No weis hater can seem to tell me specfically how weis was responsible for fumbles, ints, and missed FG's.

Come on Weis haters, i'm waiting for someone to show me what weis could have done saturday, SPECIFICALLY. I have yet to see a response, step up weis haters, now your chance to shine. can you address ALL my questions, without getting off topic??

**you call it limiting my focus, I call it 'specifics'

You're right, clearly Weis is not to blame. He is a great coach and does not deserve to be held accountable for losing to more service academies in the last 3 years than in the grand total of the rest of my life. You're argument is awesome and unbeatable. I am sure he will be back coaching us to underachievement again next year with spittle for all to enjoy next year!! HUZAH HUAZH!

 

[TDHeysus]

You're right, clearly Weis is not to blame. He is a great coach and does not deserve to be held accountable for losing to more service academies in the last 3 years than in the grand total of the rest of my life. You're argument is awesome and unbeatable. I am sure he will be back coaching us to underachievement again next year with spittle for all to enjoy next year!! HUZAH HUAZH!

but you'll still hate Weis anyways....cuz that what haters do...HATE

 

[weisbank4]

We had 3.9 yards a carry against Navy, so we ran pretty well. It's just stupid to run the ball when you're down by 2 scores the whole game to a triple option team. Weis has recruited 3 kickers, 1 punter, and 1 longsnapper, so he clearly has made the effort to improve the special teams. Under Weis, ND has scored more special teams TDs than they have given up. I don't think people are that fascinated with the pass, but I think its more the fact that he is arguably the best playcaller in college football (I can't think of a better one).

4 yards a carry is average.......in the NFL. 4.5 yards is the NCAA average. 3.9 yards per carry against the Naval Academy is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.

 

[SteelerNation]

but you'll still hate Weis anyways....cuz that what haters do...HATE

And I'm still waiting for your answers...if Charlie Weis was a coach at another program and had the same coaching record over his career as now and the Notre Dame job came open, would you want him hired as the replacement? Also, tell me what Weis has done for Notre Dame football that warrants being the 2nd highest paid coach in college. Your questions have been answered time and again, but you continue to put your hands over your ears, close your eyes tight, and hmmm to yourself to block out the sound. We can only lead the horse to water...we cant make him drink.

 

[TDHeysus]

And I'm still waiting for your answers...if Charlie Weis was a coach at another program and had the same coaching record over his career as now and the Notre Dame job came open, would you want him hired as the replacement? Also, tell me what Weis has done for Notre Dame football that warrants being the 2nd highest paid coach in college. Your questions have been answered time and again, but you continue to put your hands over your ears, close your eyes tight, and hmmm to yourself to block out the sound. We can only lead the horse to water...we cant make him drink.

wait a secoond..let me follow your logic....

I make a post, asking weis haters to response to my scenarios; I make predictions that weis haters wont be able to do so without getting off topic, or they will skirt the issues, or just not answer the specific questions.

You are now responding to me with questions, while not directly answering my specific questions? you make me look like Carnac the Magnificent. did you fulfill my prediction? Did you respond to my post without answering the questions, and now you want me to answer your questions???

Weis haters are predictable, the majority have not made up their own opinions, they just go with the herd.

We can only lead the horse to water...we cant make him drink.

then why are you blaming Weis when the horse dont drink? he can only lead them there, he cant be on the field and do it for them.

 

[STRONG316]

Its not about this one Navy game! Its about losing in general and don't give me the "winning record on the season" crap either. I have been an ND fan for as long as I can remember and I am sick of losing. I understood that we were going to have some bumps in the road after DAVIE and Willingham left but this is becoming more like the norm than an exception. I have supported charlie when he didn't need supporting and now I am not going to point every little thing that charlie could have done to change the navy game but what I will say is that as the Head Football Coach it is your job to hire people who can get the job done. Therefore all of the resposibility and accountability falls on Charlie's shoulders.

The Offensive Line Coach- Charlie hired
The Defensive Coaches- Charlie hired
Hell everyone but Charlie- Charlie hired

So if he can't fire the problems and get somebody in the door to get the job done then he needs to go and let somebody else take a chance because I am tired of watching my irish fall every Saturday and I hope one day you will too!!!!

 

[phork]

Yup us haters have been following the herd. I don't have any opinions of my own that I have developed in the span that Weis has gone 3-16 over teams with winning records. Losing a game here and there you can put on the players. Being 3 and 16, say that out loud for a second. THREE AND SIXTEEN against teams with a winning record. That is a pattern, and that falls on the head coach.

Keep praying at the shrine of Charlie, but he has had his time and now its time to exit stage right. Is your picture of ND football 3 and 16? Out of 19 games against ranked opponents he has won 3. 15%. If thats good enough for you then I don't know what to say anymore.

 

[enrico514]

Its not about this one Navy game! Its about losing in general and don't give me the "winning record on the season" crap either. I have been an ND fan for as long as I can remember and I am sick of losing. I understood that we were going to have some bumps in the road after DAVIE and Willingham left but this is becoming more like the norm than an exception. I have supported charlie when he didn't need supporting and now I am not going to point every little thing that charlie could have done to change the navy game but what I will say is that as the Head Football Coach it is your job to hire people who can get the job done. Therefore all of the resposibility and accountability falls on Charlie's shoulders.

The Offensive Line Coach- Charlie hired
The Defensive Coaches- Charlie hired
Hell everyone but Charlie- Charlie hired

So if he can't fire the problems and get somebody in the door to get the job done then he needs to go and let somebody else take a chance because I am tired of watching my irish fall every Saturday and I hope one day you will too!!!!

Can I ask you what you thought of CW's decision when he hired Tenuta?

 

[WabashFalcon]

I'd like to know the team who never turns the ball over and plays perfectly all game long...every game. Every damn team has turnovers. They still win the game.

Yeah... Oklahoma State did great againt Houston... they were still able to win. Oh wait...

And Iowa did a great job pulling it out against Northwestern with the TOs. Oh wait...

And U$C was able to come back from forking the ball over to Oregon. Oh wait...

Your arguement in invalid.

 

[nd1988]

You know..I've been a CW supporter during his time here at ND...I like most people are really upset with his playcalling and choices...It's almost like having that one friend that pissed you off so much you stopped talking for 2 weeks and then you're both friends again.....I mean.."IF" ND finishes 10-3...I'll be CW's friend again...

 

[SteelerNation]

Yeah... Oklahoma State did great againt Houston... they were still able to win. Oh wait...

And Iowa did a great job pulling it out against Northwestern with the TOs. Oh wait...

And U$C was able to come back from forking the ball over to Oregon. Oh wait...

Your arguement in invalid.

Do I really need to bring up all the times a team has turnovers and wins the game to make you look silly? I dont think so. We can agree on that point. You are grippin', pal...but dont worry it will all be over soon. Your inadequate excuse of a coach will be gone and maybe we can get a qualified man to right the ship and put us back on the map.

 

[SteelerNation]

wait a secoond..let me follow your logic....

I make a post, asking weis haters to response to my scenarios; I make predictions that weis haters wont be able to do so without getting off topic, or they will skirt the issues, or just not answer the specific questions.

You are now responding to me with questions, while not directly answering my specific questions? you make me look like Carnac the Magnificent. did you fulfill my prediction? Did you respond to my post without answering the questions, and now you want me to answer your questions???

Weis haters are predictable, the majority have not made up their own opinions, they just go with the herd.



then why are you blaming Weis when the horse dont drink? he can only lead them there, he cant be on the field and do it for them.

everyone has responded to your questions...you just choose to ignore them. Thats your problem not mine. But in a few weeks you wont have to worry about an answer as the man will be unemployed and I will be sleeping peacefully again.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Do I really need to bring up all the times a team has turnovers and wins the game to make you look silly? I dont think so. We can agree on that point. You are grippin', pal...but dont worry it will all be over soon. Your inadequate excuse of a coach will be gone and maybe we can get a qualified man to right the ship and put us back on the map.

No. The Achillies Heel of all great football teams are TOs. How did the Pats force the 2005 Colts (one of the if not THE greatest O of all time) to a playoff loss? Turn overs. How did BYU beat Oklahoma this year? Turnovers. How did the teams I mentioned lose? Turnovers.

It is impossible for a coach to have his kids not turn over the football. Mike Hart, at one point, had 200 plus carries without coughing it up. Yet, when a guy finally put his hat on the football, it popped out. Other than telling his kids to put five points of pressure on the football, what else do you want Weis to do? Go out and coat all of their hands with Stick 'em before the game?

Your arguements about how "the TOs are Weis's fault" are rediclious... as myself and other numerous posters have pointed out.

 

[We_Are_ND]

A Charlie Weis coached team is 3-16 since 07 against teams with a winning record.

Are you gunna blame that on the players for 2 years? Or when do you start to question the man who is preparing these players to play?

 

[chelow3000]

Ill say this until I die or we win The NC .. CW should have been in the booth calling the plays .. Corwin should have been The " on field " coach if you will .. Just think he has the passion and fire needed to keep these kids fired up

 

[chelow3000]

No. The Achillies Heel of all great football teams are TOs. How did the Pats force the 2005 Colts (one of the if not THE greatest O of all time) to a playoff loss? Turn overs. How did BYU beat Oklahoma this year? Turnovers. How did the teams I mentioned lose? Turnovers.

It is impossible for a coach to have his kids not turn over the football. Mike Hart, at one point, had 200 plus carries without coughing it up. Yet, when a guy finally put his hat on the football, it popped out. Other than telling his kids to put five points of pressure on the football, what else do you want Weis to do? Go out and coat all of their hands with Stick 'em before the game?

Your arguements about how "the TOs are Weis's fault" are rediclious... as myself and other numerous posters have pointed out.

No one has stood up for weis more then I. but its not working and he wont change so you have to move on ..

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

I like Weis, but I must say that I am on the fence about him, I know that no coach is responsible for a fumble, missed fg, or interception. The hit on Clausen would have made some fullbacks fumble. The pic inside the 5 was a total miscommunication. The two missed fg's, that sort of thing happens now and then even with good kickers, just ask Jason Elam of the Falcons. after missing two that were definitely in his range. But that being said what if the record was reversed, say we were 3-6 and the six losses were attributed to turnovers and missed fg's Which, by the way, is the reason most teams lose, good teams and bad teams both. What about penalties, if there is an offside penalty or holding penalty, it is not the coach that that jumps offsides or holds, yet anyone who knows football will tell you it is a lack of discipline and execution, and attribute that to the coach. They say the same thing about turnovers, not individually but as a whole. ND hired Weis to make the team better in wins and losses, yes he has made the team better talent wise, but it has yet to equate to wins and losses. This is where the frustration comes from. What is the point of having better players if the result is the same? I know that Tenuta is the defensive coordinator, but is he not the head coach? Is he not Tenuta's boss? Is this not his second defensive coordinator? Did he hire both?
These are all questions I have. I became an ND fan when Theisman was QB and have been one ever since. I literally cried when I watched a ND team take a 24-6 lead in a halftime to USC and then lose 55-24. Watching the same thing over and over in the second half of that game. I feel like I am watching the same thing season after season. No real domination on the field. Close wins, against teams we should destroy. Absolutely, no defense on a consistent basis. We blowout Nevada then lose a close game to Michigan, we blowout Wash State, then lose a close one to Navy. I know that a coach has his specialty, like Nick Saban and defense. (Wow! what a team that would be ND's offense and Alabama's defense)

I get two conflicting arguments, Weis can recruit, Willingham couldn't. Weis took us to two BCS bowls, Willingham didn't. But didn't Willigham recruit the Juniors and Seniors that palyed in those games? I reiterate; I was happy to get Weis, However, I am on the fence about his future. I want him to succeed, for the teams sake. As I said in another thread; I like Weis, but I love ND.

 

[JefMaj]

I have no reasons to keep or lose him - I like the guy. But, I plan to enjoy what will be the last 4 games of what might be the best QB I've seen at ND and the most exciting player (Tate) since the Rocket. So whatever anybody's fate is - I can be grateful for seeing what I have seen from those two great talents.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Worst case scenario...can you imagine what this 2010 team will look like if there is an overhaul from top to bottom?

Crist running a spread/ zone read with goody, floyd, etc.

Inexperienced O line

God knows what the D will look like

Ben Turk benching more than our D lineman but averaging 30 yards a punt



I'm 24. When ND was in the glorry years I was learning how to walk. All I know, all my generation knows, is ND and mediocrity. I want to relive 1988. ND is a powerhouse champion. Reagan in the white house. And people cleaning up after me when I take a dump.

That too much to ask for?

 

[JefMaj]

The Haters are out in numbers - every response/post to articles I read, ridicules ND and more pointedly - CW - with his physical characteristics seemingly at the top of the list in each. Or they go on just how irrelevent they think ND is and always be (look up the gaps in years between many "elites" national championships: LSU 45; Neb 24; USC 31; Ohio St. 33; Texas 35; Tenn 31; Michigan 49; Penn St. 24, Georgia 29 - Bama the most regular with gaps of about 16; these are the so called regular pretenders to the "elite" throne who've become more rellevant than we have).


I could give a crap now - but when I first went through my divorce I got a kick out of seeing my soon-to-be-ex dating ugly guys (as long as they weren't shitty to my kids) with nice cars or at expensive restaurants.
Don't these haters know: be careful what you ask for - you might get it.

They drive out Charlie and with this team and potential talent - it's like snickering before a track meet because you laced a little amphetamine into your opponent's gatorade. I like CW - doesn't hurt me if he get's one more year to make it work - he would really have to make changes in D staff. But if we get the flavor of the month Head Coach.... what are they thinking?

Here... don't hit me in the head with a pitching wedge - use this driver...

 

[Catsudon]

i will never hate, i will support the team as a whole regardless of who is the coach, in the past, present, and the future. if the team is not doing well, the entire team including the staff is to blame. we're in this together.

of course we can get into specifics, i do that on a game by game.

although we should do things now rather than later if it is inevitable. i'm always afraid of the unknown and what ifs. i guess i shouldn't worry about things i have no control over.

 

[fitz_bu47]

I agree w/ you after watching Kansas lose to K-State Saturday, followed by the debacle in South bend and my horrid Chiefs on Sunday.......I think I hate football.

 

[SteelerNation]

Its funny when people think we'll get worse by letting Weis go. If we got a capable coach in here, we would be in BCS bowls and winning. How is that worse? If you are afraid of change, then I feel sorry for you. Why not just stay inside and never leave the house? There are all kindsw of dangers out there...dont risk it.

 

[IrishSLC]

Disappointed...

Disappointed...

I agree with SteelerNation.

Weis's is great when it comes to being an ambassador, his character, and offensive recruiting classes (Horrible defensive, Teo excluded).

His player development, play calling, recruiting balance, game management, and disappointing performance against weaker opponents is ridiculous.

Simply Weis isn't getting it done and I don't want to settle for 3-4 loss seasons every year. Especially if Navy, Syracuse, N. Carolina are among those.

The only reasons I figure to keep Weis is future recruits and to keep Clausen and Tate for Sr years. That is ridiculous. If we are holding on to a coach that can't get it done so they stay then goodbye.

If Notre Dame means anything to us, it still means something to a few kids and up and coming coaches out there. The Weis era is over for me. 5 years is long enough to meet expectations. He hasn't met mine, hopefully not yours either.

 

[DCirishfan]

The Haters are out in numbers - every response/post to articles I read, ridicules ND and more pointedly - CW - with his physical characteristics seemingly at the top of the list in each. Or they go on just how irrelevent they think ND is and always be (look up the gaps in years between many "elites" national championships: LSU 45; Neb 24; USC 31; Ohio St. 33; Texas 35; Tenn 31; Michigan 49; Penn St. 24, Georgia 29 - Bama the most regular with gaps of about 16; these are the so called regular pretenders to the "elite" throne who've become more rellevant than we have).


I could give a crap now - but when I first went through my divorce I got a kick out of seeing my soon-to-be-ex dating ugly guys (as long as they weren't shitty to my kids) with nice cars or at expensive restaurants.
Don't these haters know: be careful what you ask for - you might get it.

They drive out Charlie and with this team and potential talent - it's like snickering before a track meet because you laced a little amphetamine into your opponent's gatorade. I like CW - doesn't hurt me if he get's one more year to make it work - he would really have to make changes in D staff. But if we get the flavor of the month Head Coach.... what are they thinking?

Here... don't hit me in the head with a pitching wedge - use this driver...

I have thought about this possibility too. That is why even though I have issues with Weis I did not want him to fail. Changing our staff is going to be a major pain in the ass and the scenario you paint may come true. The thing is there has to be a line at some point, losing to Navy twice in three years in addition to the Syracuse loss last year at home are the three losses that make it hard NOT to fire him. Sucks though it really does.

 

[TDHeysus]

no one rebutted my questions...not one of you weis hating geniuses could tell me what CW could have done on those plays. every one speed bump'd my questions and just continued to bash CW, as predicted.

some of you tried to turn it around on me, without answering my questions. thats skirting the issue, as predicted

Weis haters...where ya at???

got answers??

/crickets and pindrops

hint: the reason weis haters CANT answer my questions is because the very answers they would give would be in direct contrast to their want to blame weis for all problems. Their answers would, in effect, be a counterpoint to their own argument.

WEis is not free of blame in any of this, but to say Weis was responsible for losing the Navy is just a complete railroad job. The players lost the Navy game.

 

[DCirishfan]

no one rebutted my questions...not one of you weis hating geniuses could tell me what CW could have done on those plays. every one speed bump'd my questions and just continued to bash CW, as predicted.

some of you tried to turn it around on me, without answering my questions. thats skirting the issue, as predicted

Weis haters...where ya at???

got answers??

/crickets and pindrops

hint: the reason weis haters CANT answer my questions is because the very answers they would give would be in direct contrast to their want to blame weis for all problems. Their answers would, in effect, be a counterpoint to their own argument.

WEis is not free of blame in any of this, but to say Weis was responsible for losing the Navy is just a complete railroad job. The players lost the Navy game.

Well since Weis could not get them to play any better perhaps get rid of him , have no coach and just hold players accountable and donate his salary to Catholic Charities. Obviously you don't consider decent preperation/motivation to be a specific task that Charlie has failed miserably in.

 

[phork]

no one rebutted my questions...not one of you weis hating geniuses could tell me what CW could have done on those plays. every one speed bump'd my questions and just continued to bash CW, as predicted.

some of you tried to turn it around on me, without answering my questions. thats skirting the issue, as predicted

Weis haters...where ya at???

got answers??

/crickets and pindrops

hint: the reason weis haters CANT answer my questions is because the very answers they would give would be in direct contrast to their want to blame weis for all problems. Their answers would, in effect, be a counterpoint to their own argument.

WEis is not free of blame in any of this, but to say Weis was responsible for losing the Navy is just a complete railroad job. The players lost the Navy game.

Man you really are thick headed. YES THE PLAYERS CAUSED THIS LOSS TO NAVY, however in the previous other 25 losses the entire body of work, if the players caused the losses then that means that they were woefully unprepared.

Here is another stat for you to chew on:

Since that victory over Penn State in September 2006, Weis' past 24 victories have been against teams ranked 35th or lower by Sagarin -- most of them much lower.

In fact, the average Sagarin ELO_Chess rank of all 35 Weis victims is a 73. Which basically means the Irish would have been hell on wheels in Conference USA over the past five seasons.

And isn't that what Notre Dame football is supposed to be all about?

 

[DCirishfan]

Man you really are thick headed. YES THE PLAYERS CAUSED THIS LOSS TO NAVY, however in the previous other 25 losses the entire body of work, if the players caused the losses then that means that they were woefully unprepared.

Here is another stat for you to chew on:

Dude you have a cool line up of teams you follow, how do you put those on your profile?

 

[irishtrain]

The 'one thing' as Curly said in City Slickers is this- we are going to find out how much they love and respect their coach because their lack of passion and intensity sunk his @$# against Navy. Now his fate is in their hands. Lets see how they respond. I would like to see him stay but only if they show they want him to stay.