Tim Prister Rips Golden Tate

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

you can be cocky and have swagger, but you start to cross the line when you get pissed at your rusty QB for throwing two in the dirt. He needs to gain a bit of composure. He is one hell of an athlete, people know this, and acting how he acts sometimes just gives him a bad rep.

Let me start by saying that I am in no way comparing GT to Terrel Owens, but the attitude that GT is presenting right now will only get worse when he starts making millions in the pros. Its one thing to have swagger but to have swagger and still be a sportsman is genuine.

He HASN"T gotten flagged for anything yet, but I will flat out guarentee that unless something changes, he will get a flag, its inevitable.

GT, just go out there and do your thing. You are an amazing talent, and rightfully deserve all of the respect you strive for, but I can promise you that you could become elite in terms of respect from everyone if you just show some class. Poppong right back up showing Mays who the real man is, is not what I'm talking about, thats beautiful, but acting disgusted because a redshirt quarterback throws a couple of bad passes to you is unacceptable.

 

[IrishAddiction]

He was pissed! Hell Dane was probably pissed too. You strive for excellence as a team! Passes like that ARE unacceptable, tate and dane both know that. Because he showed emotion he should get called out? F THAT! Emotion is part of the game.

Biggest Homerun threat on our team, has won multiple games for us, and you people want to crucify him. When he starts talking OFF the field and being cocky OFF the field, let me know. Until then, this is irrelevant.

So dont try to lecture the guy on a blogging site.

Golden Tate after the UM loss said it was on him, took the loss of the TEAM on his own shoulders though clearly it wasnt his fault. Who wouldnt want this guy on the team?

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

I absolutely want Golden on my team, and I'm not crucifying him one bit. But you are just plain ignorant to think that his actions on the field are not going to cost us at some point. Thats my point. Be a sportsman. You don't have to act like you just pulled off a miracle every time you touch the ball, or throw a hissy fit cause the QB throws 2 in the dirt, thats piss poor no matter how you look at it.

Of course Dayne was already pissed at himself for throwing those, and then to see the emotion from GT is downright disturbing.

You can claim eotion all you want, but there are plenty of gamers out there that perform even better than our boy Tate, and they know how to be a sportsman. Its sad that society has gotten to a point where this even needs to be debated. 15 years ago the prima donnas that are the WR's of football would have been tossed away like a rag doll. Today, you cant find a team without at least one.

Have some class, plain and simple.

 

[irishtrain]

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You gotta be kidding me and until I know what he said I stand by electric Mr Tate. What he does after a TD catch is just celebration, are you kidding me! Like I told you guys a year ago this will not be the same dormant and docile Irish and Charlie has control-that you can bank on. I just wish they would have punked southern cal southern cal southern cal for some of their antics. Still love saying that now that I know they dont like being called southern cal southern cal southern cal.

 

[jason_h537]

I absolutely want Golden on my team, and I'm not crucifying him one bit. But you are just plain ignorant to think that his actions on the field are not going to cost us at some point. Thats my point. Be a sportsman. You don't have to act like you just pulled off a miracle every time you touch the ball, or throw a hissy fit cause the QB throws 2 in the dirt, thats piss poor no matter how you look at it.

Of course Dayne was already pissed at himself for throwing those, and then to see the emotion from GT is downright disturbing.

You can claim eotion all you want, but there are plenty of gamers out there that perform even better than our boy Tate, and they know how to be a sportsman. Its sad that society has gotten to a point where this even needs to be debated. 15 years ago the prima donnas that are the WR's of football would have been tossed away like a rag doll. Today, you cant find a team without at least one.

Have some class, plain and simple.

He isnt signalling first down, he isnt spiking the ball, or showboating, or dancing, or pulling a sharpie out. He was upset at a bad throw and you compare him to TO. That is excessive and i have not seen a flag worthy play out of him yet.

 

[IrishAddiction]

I absolutely want Golden on my team, and I'm not crucifying him one bit. But you are just plain ignorant to think that his actions on the field are not going to cost us at some point. Thats my point. Be a sportsman. You don't have to act like you just pulled off a miracle every time you touch the ball, or throw a hissy fit cause the QB throws 2 in the dirt, thats piss poor no matter how you look at it.

Of course Dayne was already pissed at himself for throwing those, and then to see the emotion from GT is downright disturbing.

You can claim eotion all you want, but there are plenty of gamers out there that perform even better than our boy Tate, and they know how to be a sportsman. Its sad that society has gotten to a point where this even needs to be debated. 15 years ago the prima donnas that are the WR's of football would have been tossed away like a rag doll. Today, you cant find a team without at least one.

Have some class, plain and simple.

After golden got clearly upset after the SECOND pass in the dirt, did Dane play alot worse? I think tate must have hurt his feelings, because he threw a TD pass shortly after that if i remember correctly.

And It hasnt cost the team thus far, and IMO, has helped it and will continue to help it. If tate wasnt acting like that (AKA being himself, attitude and all) on the field, do you think he would be playing at the level he is playing at? I dont believe so at all.

Which gamers out there are playing better than tate right now in college? Name them please, because right now, i believe he is the only reciever even in the Heisman debate....

Watch FOOTBALL from 15 years ago, and you will see Miami..... those prima donnas were tossed around like rag dolls for sure.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

He isnt signalling first down, he isnt spiking the ball, or showboating, or dancing, or pulling a sharpie out. He was upset at a bad throw and you compare him to TO. That is excessive and i have not seen a flag worthy play out of him yet.

I guess we will just agree to disagree because IMO he has show NUMEROUS times when he COULD ( key word here considering unsportsmanlike penalties are judgement calls ) have been flagged. And if you don't think he's showboating at all then I can't imagine what you consider showboating.

Bottom line, I expect to see a player of his caliber have some more class, and I am entilted to that. You are entitled to feel that its perfectly normal, thats what makes us FANS. I think its ignorant, you think its perfectly ok. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter.

 

[devolg]

Let's be clear, Crist threw 4 passes at the ground if my memory serves me right. A couple of these were check down passes to Tate where he had nothing but open field staring him in the face. Anybody that could contain disappointing body language after that needs to have their desire to win seriously called into question. 1 pass at the ground, no big deal. 2? Still not a big deal. Get into 3 or 4 in a row & it's more of a "come on man nobody's this rusty!". There's no real excuse. You take reps all week in practice. Anybody here that can say they weren't screaming "WTF!!" at their TV after all that is either lying or simply doesn't care about ND football as much as they thought.

This team has much bigger issues that need to be focused on before we start attacking our top performers. Wasting energy concerning ourselves over the attitude of one of 3 of our premiere athletes (Clausen, Floyd & Tate) as well as our 2nd candidate in the Heisman (being the only school with 2) is not only a waste of time, but it's also self defeating & counter productive. Golden has answered Charlie's as well as the entire Notre Dame nations call for somebody to step it up after Floyd's injury. Golden Tate has taken almost all of this upon himself & needs a huge pat on the back as opposed to a slap in the face. This kid is nothing short of amazing & one of the best players to ever play at our beloved University.

I honestly believe that the after the play actions you're seeing from this kid are direct a reflection of the lack of respect that this team gets from the media as well as other teams & I think it has a direct effect on his psyche & the mentality he takes towards how he plays the game. I have no problem with him doing a little flexing after he makes defenses look absolutely stupid with a big play, a tremendous catch, or exposing their absolute inability to bring him down no matter how many guys pile on. He refuses to go down & lets you know it. As tough as he is physically his mental toughness his unmatched by any other player in the country barring Jimmy Clausen.

I truly never thought I would ever hear anybody call anything about Golden Tate into question this season. The author of this article & the naysayers in this thread need to wise up & realize that players like Golden Tate are exactly the can of gasoline & the match this team needs. Until the rest of em lite a fire under their ass & start playing with the level of commitment & intensity that Golden, Jimmy & Floyd do we can never expect to return to compete in a National Championship game again.

 

[weisbank4]

Im surprised that the article got as much support here as it did. Seems to be around 60-40 agreeing with the article.

I agree with it wholeheartedly. I posted weeks ago that he WILL get flagged for this stuff sooner or later and my fear is that its either at Pitt or at Stanford in a tight game and we end up kicking off from the 15 yard line after a TD.

I dont care about the stuff with teammates and all that im worried about the taunting.

 

[49er-Irish]

I think it's kind of odd that everyone seems to be worried about the day that Golden's antics result in a flag.

Wasn't there somebody else flagged TWICE against WSU? Granted, it was against WSU and not at a critical time vs PITT or Stanford, but still...Why not an article about Olsen's behavior instead. I don't think that article needs to be written either, but I'm just wondering what the difference is.

I think ND needs the cockiness and swagger from the playmakers just like it needs the toughness and mean streak at the line of scrimmage.

And I'm with Jason - my favorite play of the year was Golden's TD against USC when he showed Mays what's up.

 

[fitz_bu47]

I played a lot of football and talked a lot while I played, its part of the game, and a fun part of the competition. That being said, I didn't like his reaction to Dayne's passes, go back to the huddle and say something, but I didn't like the very obvious reaction.

 

[We_Are_ND]

I can't believe there is this much talk about the SPECULATION that Golden Tate MIGHT get a penalty flag in the FUTURE.

Like come on, I'm sure the coaches are on him on what is taking things too far. Like I said before, Jeff Samardjiza anyone? He was flagged before for unsportsmanlike, no one made such a big deal about him as they are Golden.

You guys are acting like Golden has cost us 2 games and gets flagged on the regular.

 

[fitz_bu47]

Shark had some swagger too, like I said I like it, just don't ever like showing up a teammate.

 

[weisbank4]

I think its hypocritical of a lot of fans here to say its just "swagger" but then preach about the class of the ND program and antics of other schools.

The most important game this season is the next one - from here on out. Im just hoping he doesnt get flagged for this after a TD to take a 2 point lead and we kick off from our own 15 with 1:30 left.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Golden needs to ease up on the drama. No need to show up your teammate. Histrionics need to go.

I also cringed when Shark taunted Stanford.

 

[TinyT]

I am a firm believer in the Walter Payton, Barry Sanders school of thought. Act like you have been there before! If Tate exceeds the legacy of either of these two individuals then maybe, just maybe I'll accept his showboating.

 

[IrishBlood81]

Yeah I agree Tates attitude is a little arrogant. but honestly thats what we need more of! Its confidence. its what USC Florida Michigan...etc have! not this pathetic..."we really believe we can win" attitude. Its in your face I'm the boss and I'm GOING to win attitude. Without it...your just a average player and a losing player at that.


puravida
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[We_Are_ND]

Yeah I agree Tates attitude is a little arrogant. but honestly thats what we need more of! Its confidence. its what USC Florida Michigan...etc have! not this pathetic..."we really believe we can win" attitude. Its in your face I'm the boss and I'm GOING to win attitude. Without it...your just a average player and a losing player at that.


puravida
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Michigan?

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Everybody thinks that because the critics point out the "cockiness" in Tate, that we hate him and are just looking for a way to hound the guy. You couldn't be farther from the truth. I absolutley love Tate. He is one of the most versitle palyers thats I have personally seen play at ND, but at the same time, anyone who see's his actions has got to know that at some point, it will penalize the team. He doesnt need to act like that, that is the point here, plain and simple. He doesn't HAVE too. Let me ask you all, if he was performing like he was and acted like Jerry Rice did, would that make you think he was any less of a player or person?

 

[Merlin]

Yeah I agree Tates attitude is a little arrogant. but honestly thats what we need more of! Its confidence. its what USC Florida Michigan...etc have! not this pathetic..."we really believe we can win" attitude. Its in your face I'm the boss and I'm GOING to win attitude. Without it...your just a average player and a losing player at that.


puravida
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With respect, what a load of old tosh!!!

College players today are unfortunately falling into the, "money pit" which is based on a, "me, me, me", state of mind, this has been handed down by the current crop of players in the NFL, especially WR's like Moss, O'co, and every other guy who makes a catch and needs to get noticed.

Real men/players don't need to prove themselves to anyone, players like Payton/Smith/Dorsett/Monk/Rice/Largent etc, etc, real class on and off the pitch. I guess your suggesting these guy's didn't have a, "winning attitude"!?!

These guy's proved who, "the boss" was, each and every Sunday

The original article is spot on, if you want to see players with your kind of "confidence", watch the current crop of "pro's", or the list of colleges you already named, I like to be associated with the players on my list!

Go Irish!!!

 

[IrishBlood81]

With respect, what a load of old tosh!!!

College players today are unfortunately falling into the, "money pit" which is based on a, "me, me, me", state of mind, this has been handed down by the current crop of players in the NFL, especially WR's like Moss, O'co, and every other guy who makes a catch and needs to get noticed.

Real men/players don't need to prove themselves to anyone, players like Payton/Smith/Dorsett/Monk/Rice/Largent etc, etc, real class on and off the pitch. I guess your suggesting these guy's didn't have a, "winning attitude"!?!

These guy's proved who, "the boss" was, each and every Sunday

The original article is spot on, if you want to see players with your kind of "confidence", watch the current crop of "pro's", or the list of colleges you already named, I like to be associated with the players on my list!

Go Irish!!!

Well maybe you misunderstood me. I did not approve of a self absorbed attitude. I approved of Confidence. In todays society I think it is what makes you better. I don't know Tate so its hard to say. but it seems to me that hes a winner and that is because of his attitude. that he believes he can make a difference and that he is good. so thus he is good.
People with no attitude are nothing.

purevida
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[TinyT]

A common misconception today is that to have confidence you have to show it. In reality, those who feel the need to outwardly show their confidence have little of it...and no person is nothing, thinking like that was the root of the Holocaust.

 

[Merlin]

Well maybe you misunderstood me. I did not approve of a self absorbed attitude. I approved of Confidence. In todays society I think it is what makes you better. I don't know Tate so its hard to say. but it seems to me that hes a winner and that is because of his attitude. that he believes he can make a difference and that he is good. so thus he is good.
People with no attitude are nothing.

purevida
81

Hey....I approve of confidence as much as the next guy, but are you suggesting the players I named aren't/weren't winners!?!

Attitude is at the heart of the problem, I would suggest that "my players", had it in abundance, they just new how to show it with class and dignity, maybe you misunderstood me!?!

 

[devolg]

Never seen so many uptight people in my life. This is ridiculous

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

devolg, quit calling me fat. I'm not fat.

I'm cute. And badass with a black eye patch.

Sheeeeiitt.

 

[devolg]

lol thanks for the chuckle Neutered , needed that. Thread had me ready to scream.

 

[GOLDENISTHYTATE]

This thread is redundant at this point. We get it, some people like the way Tate is on the field and some people don't. Let's just think of it logically. I am more than positive that the refs, at least at this point, know of Tate and his "antics." They have yet to flag him for excessive celebration or unsportsmanlike conduct, and until they do, this debate holds little merit. Tate has done nothing but put this team on his back and should be granted the respect he deserves until he hurts our team in the way previously discussed.

I will say this though, I fear the day #23 isn't on our team anymore. Whether you think he is too cocky or is exactly what this team needed, every one of us is going to miss him because he really is a special player. I can't remember an ND player of the last fifteen years who had me stand up every time the ball got into their hands. Be grateful for what you have while you have it.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

...Be grateful for what you have while you have it.

Amen.

But maybe he should tone it down...

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Amen.

But maybe he should tone it down...

Gotta love it!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

But serioulsy Neutered, no balls and still badass, thats AWESOME!!