Best Player in Notre Dame History?

Riddickulous

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Who do you think?

I've gotta go with the Gipper. That's right: George Gipp. The man averaged 177 yards of offense a game (ridiculous numbers in his era).

Crazy.
 

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Best that I've personally watched? Golden Tate, Jimmy Clausen, and Michael Floyd are up there. Rudolph will be eventually. Rocket, Tim Brown, Bettis, Quinn, Zorich, Stonebreaker etc..... I can't get into the guys from 50 years ago, just a different era.
 
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The Rocket definitely has to be in the discussion. Threat to score anytime he touched the ball.
 

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Pinkett:
3 years of 1,000 yards rushing. 53 career touchdowns.
 

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Might as well ask "who is your favorite player that you have witnessed."

Zorich, Rocket, Bus, Clausen, Tate...

Linemen get no love. Oh well.
 

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Best Player in Notre Dame History?

All the names mention are notable but the Best Player in ND history was noted in the first post.

Only two players are listed on both the Greatest ND Offensive Players of All Time and Greatest ND Defensive Players of All-Time.

Leon Hart is a Second Team Tight End and a Second Team Defensive End on those lists.

George Gipp is the First Team Halfback , the First Team Kicker, and the First Team Free Safety.

Gipp only played in 27 games as Rockne had to talk him into playing football his freshman Fall. Gipp had not played HS football. Despite only 27 games Gipp rushed for 2341 career yds on 369 attempts and scored 21 TDs. His career rushing total was the record at ND for 58 years til Jerome Heavens broke it in 1978. His 6.3 career ypc is 3rd best in ND history. He averaged 8.1 ypc as a senior.

He broke his leg as a freshman, scored a TD with a dislocated shoulder as a junior.

Gipp ran for big yardage, completed over 50% of his passes, punted, returned kick offs and punts, kicked PATS and FGs and was a shutdown Free Safety as a 60 minute man.

He was an every down player.

Against Army as a Senior, a month before he died, he rushed for 150 yds, passed for 123 and a TD, has 207 yds on kick returns, kicked 3 PATs and averaged over 43 yds punting. In his career he handled the ball 594 times and gained 4781 yds.
 

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The best I ever saw was Pinkett. He was the ND offense in both rushing and passing.

Tony Rice was a great college player.

Jerome Bettis was good for 6 yards per rush, he was literally unstoppable.
 

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Ah, did I mention the Gipper was a Yooper ;) I went to college near his hometown-on Saturday's before BIG games I would go out to his grave. A very moving experience!
 

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Best? Hard to choose, been so many greats but as somebody else stated hard to get into players from eons ago. Names that come to mind....

Tim Brown: Hello Heisman?

Tony Rice: National Champion QB. Have met the guy a few times (used to bowl on a league with a friend of mine) Absolute class act & very personable.

Rocket: Need I say more

Jimmy & Golden are really starting to rank up there. Ask me again in a few years.
 

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Amazing stat:

Number of Passes Completed in George Gipp's Protective Zone on Defense in 4 Years at Notre Dame: 0
 

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Lujak! (Polish for "Warrior" - Wojak). Can't go wrong with Hornung, Rocket, Gipp...

However, surprisingly nobody has mentioned Ronnie Rodamer or Jimmy Friday yet.
 

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Amazing stat:

Number of Passes Completed in George Gipp's Protective Zone on Defense in 4 Years at Notre Dame: 0

How much did they actually throw back in 1917-1920? Not arguing he was great, but this doesn't really translate to today's game.
 

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How much did they actually throw back in 1917-1920? Not arguing he was great, but this doesn't really translate to today's game.

I'd say 5-10 times a game. Still an impressive stat. That's like 200-400 pass attempts against the Irish in his career.
 

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Way too tough to call but I will give you my top 5 in no particular order. Ken McAfee, Nick Eddy, Rocket, Ross Browner, Joe Montana.
 

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The best I ever saw was Pinkett. He was the ND offense in both rushing and passing. ...


Pinkett was the offense rushing and he was a good pass receiving back but Kiel and Beuerlein threw a bunch of passes to Tony Hunter, Joe Howard, Tim Brown, and Mark Bavaro.
 

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I'd say 5-10 times a game. Still an impressive stat. That's like 200-400 pass attempts against the Irish in his career.

He only played in 27 games so your range needs to be trimmed considerably.

I have no idea how many passes opponents threw but by some comparison Gipp threw 187 passes as a triple threat halfback.

In 1918 he threw 12 in one game and threw a total of 45 in games or 9 passes/game.
In 1919 ge threw 4 games with double digit passes with a high of 15. Total for the year 72 in 9 games or 8 passes/game.
In 1920 he had a game high of 22 pass attempts as he threw 62 times or 7.8 passes/game
 

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If all of them were thrown his way... Not dogging him, he is one of the greatest, just sayin...

ND played 3 DBs until 1973 when they moved to 4 DBs, 2 CBs and a FS and SS. Prior to '73 they played a single Safety. And up until 1964 most of those years players played both ways, 60 minutes.

The number of passes thrown in his direction may be nowhere near the volume of passes thrown at a FS today but when ND's All-Time Team was put together it was selected by ND football players. Gipp beat other greats Safeties like Nick Rassas, Joe Restic, Dave Duerson, and Jeff Burris.

Also keep in mind he played every down. After rushing the football on third down, he got to punt on 4th down, then dropped back into his Safety slot. No matter how tired he was he still had to defend passes or make tackles. As the only Safety on the field he has pass and run responsibility 60 plays a game on the entire field.
 

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The Rocket for me. His KO return in 1990 against MIA was ELECTRIC and his not getting the Heisman was just horrid. Plus the phantom flag on the COL KO for the TD. The man was just amazing and the best that I have ever SEEN. Saw Pinkett too, at the Liberty Bowl in Memphis, when ND beat Fredo and little man Flutie 15-14 in the BITTER cold. But the Rocket was the best I have ever seen.
 

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I have to go with Paul Hournung as well guys.

Me being a defensive person I loved to watch Zib...he was so nasty!!
 
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