The 3 types of posters on this board. (my opinion)

[timm3117]

1. You have the Weisers
No matter what Charlie does, he is blameless. "He is and offensive genius" Quotes like that are kind of funny. Where was the genius the last 2 seasons, or in all the blowout loses we've had to USC or Michigan.

2. You have the Weis haters.
Every time we lose its "fire Charlie", every bad call "fire Charlie" they run out of mustard at their BBQ "fire Charlie". These are the same guys that will be saying fire "the next coach" after his first loss.

3. I think this is the group a lot of us fit into. We are the realists.
We have high hopes for our team every year, we love Notre Dame, and we want our team to play hard every game. We will always give our coach a fair chance to lead our program, but we expect high results. Losing to teams Navy, or Syracuse, or being dominated 38-0 by USC are unacceptable.

I believe if don't win out or atleast go 5-2 with a big bowl win Charlie should lose his job. This is the weakest schedule we have had in my memory. We will be losing 4 starting O linemen and possibly Jimmy, will that make next year a rebuilding year? If so won't that be like the 12th in 15 years.

 

[kmoose]

1. You have the Weisers
No matter what Charlie does, he is blameless. "He is and offensive genius" Quotes like that are kind of funny. Where was the genius the last 2 seasons, or in all the blowout loses we've had to USC or Michigan.

2. You have the Weis haters.
Every time we lose its "fire Charlie", every bad call "fire Charlie" they run out of mustard at their BBQ "fire Charlie". These are the same guys that will be saying fire "the next coach" after his first loss.

3. I think this is the group a lot of us fit into. We are the realists.
We have high hopes for our team every year, we love Notre Dame, and we want our team to play hard every game. We will always give our coach a fair chance to lead our program, but we expect high results. Losing to teams Navy, or Syracuse, or being dominated 38-0 by USC are unacceptable.

I believe if don't win out or atleast go 5-2 with a big bowl win Charlie should lose his job. This is the weakest schedule we have had in my memory. We will be losing 4 starting O linemen and possibly Jimmy, will that make next year a rebuilding year? If so won't that be like the 12th in 15 years.

We don't know, yet, what we have coming back next year. I don't think Weis should lose his job, if we don't win out. But I do think he will. And I won't complain.

 

[Riddickulous]

1. You have the Weisers
No matter what Charlie does, he is blameless. "He is and offensive genius" Quotes like that are kind of funny. Where was the genius the last 2 seasons, or in all the blowout loses we've had to USC or Michigan.

2. You have the Weis haters.
Every time we lose its "fire Charlie", every bad call "fire Charlie" they run out of mustard at their BBQ "fire Charlie". These are the same guys that will be saying fire "the next coach" after his first loss.

3. I think this is the group a lot of us fit into. We are the realists.
We have high hopes for our team every year, we love Notre Dame, and we want our team to play hard every game. We will always give our coach a fair chance to lead our program, but we expect high results. Losing to teams Navy, or Syracuse, or being dominated 38-0 by USC are unacceptable.

I believe if don't win out or atleast go 5-2 with a big bowl win Charlie should lose his job. This is the weakest schedule we have had in my memory. We will be losing 4 starting O linemen and possibly Jimmy, will that make next year a rebuilding year? If so won't that be like the 12th in 15 years.

Good post.

However, here there are more than three types. In addition to what you've already said, there's:

4. NDOM. Eternally pessimistic. Hates Charlie Weis. Mocks his own team. Looked at our manageable schedule and loaded offense and said 6 (or 7) wins. (No typo. Six.)

5. Flippy floppy bipolars. People like CtF, who experience frequent (oftentimes extremely violent) mood swings and remain pessimistic until they think things over and see the positives.

 

[Junkhead]

I have been all three in the same day before.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

1. You have the Weisers
No matter what Charlie does, he is blameless. "He is and offensive genius" Quotes like that are kind of funny. Where was the genius the last 2 seasons, or in all the blowout loses we've had to USC or Michigan.

2. You have the Weis haters.
Every time we lose its "fire Charlie", every bad call "fire Charlie" they run out of mustard at their BBQ "fire Charlie". These are the same guys that will be saying fire "the next coach" after his first loss.

3. I think this is the group a lot of us fit into. We are the realists.
We have high hopes for our team every year, we love Notre Dame, and we want our team to play hard every game. We will always give our coach a fair chance to lead our program, but we expect high results. Losing to teams Navy, or Syracuse, or being dominated 38-0 by USC are unacceptable.

I believe if don't win out or atleast go 5-2 with a big bowl win Charlie should lose his job. This is the weakest schedule we have had in my memory. We will be losing 4 starting O linemen and possibly Jimmy, will that make next year a rebuilding year? If so won't that be like the 12th in 15 years.

First off, if you didnt see losing to Navy in 2007 from miles down the road then I cant help you. 2nd you said we need to win out or at least go 5-2. Are you including a bowl? Which 2 losses would be acceptable? Or did you mean 5-1? 3rd you cant fire a coach based on players leaving early, so whether Jimmy is here next year or not will have no bearing on if Weis is still employed. Besides, we have a pretty talented kid waiting in the wings. And if you have paid attention we are rotating several offensive lineman in and out, so we will not have a repeat of 2007 where several of them had little to no experience.

 

[AlumniHall98]

Agree with most everything you wrote here.

I would consider myself to fall into category #3 - a realist. Although some might call me a "homer", but hey, being an alum of this great school and a lifelong fan, I can't really argue with that sentiment. That said, I live and breath ND football, and I know the facts.

My take is the following: win out, finish 10-2, go to either a top-notch 2nd tier bowl (i.e. Gator) or, outside chance, a BCS bowl, and WIN that game - Weis stays for sure;
lose another close game in the next six, as long as its NOT BC, finish 9-3, go to a top 2nd tier bowl game, and WIN that game - I think Weis stays as well;
lose to BC OR lose 2 more regular season games OR lose in a bowl game, regardless of which game that may be, I think he is gone.

just my two cents.

 

[irishfan]

Weiser. And after 2010, everyone on this board will be one too.

Good example of a Weiser post there.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Agree with most everything you wrote here.

I would consider myself to fall into category #3 - a realist. Although some might call me a "homer", but hey, being an alum of this great school and a lifelong fan, I can't really argue with that sentiment. That said, I live and breath ND football, and I know the facts.

My take is the following: win out, finish 10-2, go to either a top-notch 2nd tier bowl (i.e. Gator) or, outside chance, a BCS bowl, and WIN that game - Weis stays for sure;
lose another close game in the next six, as long as its NOT BC, finish 9-3, go to a top 2nd tier bowl game, and WIN that game - I think Weis stays as well;
lose to BC OR lose 2 more regular season games OR lose in a bowl game, regardless of which game that may be, I think he is gone.

just my two cents.

Keep in mind that the bowl game likely will have NO impact on Weis' coaching future, especially if that is a New Years Day game or later, because that is simply too late to fire a coach, hire a new one and fill a recruiting class. The decision to keep him or fire him will more than likely be made shortly after the end of the regular season.

 

[weisbank4]

There are also the under 30 year olds who really dont remember the ND dominance and the over 30's who do.

The under 30s always push the bullshit theories of "adjusting expectations" and times have changed and all the other crap.

The fact is that Notre Dame is a franchise all to itself and its absolute BS that its been this far down for this long.

 

[]\/[GoBlue]

Don't forget those evil Michigan posters

 

[mbeckha]

1. You have the Weisers
No matter what Charlie does, he is blameless. "He is and offensive genius" Quotes like that are kind of funny. Where was the genius the last 2 seasons, or in all the blowout loses we've had to USC or Michigan.

2. You have the Weis haters.
Every time we lose its "fire Charlie", every bad call "fire Charlie" they run out of mustard at their BBQ "fire Charlie". These are the same guys that will be saying fire "the next coach" after his first loss.

3. I think this is the group a lot of us fit into. We are the realists.
We have high hopes for our team every year, we love Notre Dame, and we want our team to play hard every game. We will always give our coach a fair chance to lead our program, but we expect high results. Losing to teams Navy, or Syracuse, or being dominated 38-0 by USC are unacceptable.

I believe if don't win out or atleast go 5-2 with a big bowl win Charlie should lose his job. This is the weakest schedule we have had in my memory. We will be losing 4 starting O linemen and possibly Jimmy, will that make next year a rebuilding year? If so won't that be like the 12th in 15 years.

We will only lose 2 offensive lineman. There is no question Jimmy stays unless he win the rest of his games and wins the Heisman.

 

[phork]

1. You have the Weisers
No matter what Charlie does, he is blameless. "He is and offensive genius" Quotes like that are kind of funny. Where was the genius the last 2 seasons, or in all the blowout loses we've had to USC or Michigan.

2. You have the Weis haters.
Every time we lose its "fire Charlie", every bad call "fire Charlie" they run out of mustard at their BBQ "fire Charlie". These are the same guys that will be saying fire "the next coach" after his first loss.

3. I think this is the group a lot of us fit into. We are the realists.
We have high hopes for our team every year, we love Notre Dame, and we want our team to play hard every game. We will always give our coach a fair chance to lead our program, but we expect high results. Losing to teams Navy, or Syracuse, or being dominated 38-0 by USC are unacceptable.

I believe if don't win out or atleast go 5-2 with a big bowl win Charlie should lose his job. This is the weakest schedule we have had in my memory. We will be losing 4 starting O linemen and possibly Jimmy, will that make next year a rebuilding year? If so won't that be like the 12th in 15 years.

I consider myself a realist, but people will say I am a hater. And thats fine. I come here for debate with some intelligent ND fans and I enjoy it a lot.

Frankly if you don't think that by the end of the year that Jimmy won't be the #1 prospect and Tate a first round pick, and both won't seriously consider entering the draft, you are crazy. Especially with whats happened to Bradford and some other top players with injuries. I would even go so far as to say if one goes, the other will as well.

Personally I don't think Charlie gets canned after this year, unless there are some major derailings that happen between now and the bowl games. Next year is a different story though.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Don't forget poster type #6 -

Perverted, neurotic, flatulent, orphaned, insomniac, sugar-addicted (prize inside), masturbating, necrophiliac, sociopathic, reindeer, with irritable bowel syndrome who sometimes pretend to be muppet characters with tendencies to punch puppies, hump your leg, and poop on your lawn.

 

[kmoose]

There are also the under 30 year olds who really dont remember the ND dominance and the over 30's who do.

The under 30s always push the bullshit theories of "adjusting expectations" and times have changed and all the other crap.

The fact is that Notre Dame is a franchise all to itself and its absolute BS that its been this far down for this long.

I'm 41. I got indocrinated to ND football, by my Irish Catholic grandfather, in the Devine Era. I remember the dominance, but I am also one of those who has accepted the reality of the modern times. I tried to explain to you, in the other thread, that when I say "expectations", what I mean is that just before the season, when you start to really take a hard look at how ND stacks up.... Who is coming back, who is gone? What have the other teams on the schedule gained and/or lost.........you look at the schedule and say, "I think we should beat these teams handily, we probably squeak out wins against these teams, these games could go either way, and we probably will lose to this team." You then form an opinion on how you expect the season to shake out. That is what I mean by "expectations". As for the expectation for ND to be a NC contender, year after year after year after year: I think this is incredibly unrealistic. What does ND have, that Florida, Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, Miami, et. al, don't have? All of these teams have had runs similar to ND's run during the Holtz years. They have also had series of mediocre years.

 

[jason_h537]

I guess i am a Weiser but i think it is more about the absurdity of some of the Weis haters.

Next year will not be a rebuilding year. We bring back 3 o-lineman and even if we lose Clausen, Dayne will have a fully loaded supporting cast. The defense should be better as well, especially the front 7

 

[kmoose]

I guess i am a Weiser but i think it is more about the absurdity of some of the Weis haters.

Next year will not be a rebuilding year. We bring back 3 o-lineman and even if we lose Clausen, Dayne will have a fully loaded supporting cast. The defense should be better as well, especially the front 7

But here's the rub:

Clausen is without a doubt the stud on this team. He is the on field decision maker, he is the leader, he is also (arguably) the most accomplished player, at his position. We have no idea what Crist will look like. He could play like Jimmy has, this year, or he could play like Jimmy did, the last two years. If it's the former, then we should be able to anticpate seeing the same level of play, on the field, next year. If it's the latter, then we will be in real trouble.

 

[IrishAddiction]

Don't forget poster type #6 -

Perverted, neurotic, flatulent, orphaned, insomniac, sugar-addicted (prize inside), masturbating, necrophiliac, sociopathic, reindeer, with irritable bowel syndrome who sometimes pretend to be muppet characters with tendencies to punch puppies, hump your leg, and poop on your lawn.

hahaha these are my favorite posters on here. and im not a necrophiliac. she was drunk. theres a difference.

 

[JefMaj]

"...is the weakest schedule we have had in my memory."

Ahem....and our Sagarin SOS is at 13!!!!!!

College Football Ratings Page

 

[jason_h537]

Crist will not play like Jimmy. He is a different qb. More of a gunslinger and much more mobile. he has had 2 years to learn from Weis so i do not expect him to play like a frshamn qb. it will also help him that he will have experince around him.

 

[timm3117]

First off, if you didnt see losing to Navy in 2007 from miles down the road then I cant help you. 2nd you said we need to win out or at least go 5-2. Are you including a bowl? Which 2 losses would be acceptable? Or did you mean 5-1? 3rd you cant fire a coach based on players leaving early, so whether Jimmy is here next year or not will have no bearing on if Weis is still employed. Besides, we have a pretty talented kid waiting in the wings. And if you have paid attention we are rotating several offensive lineman in and out, so we will not have a repeat of 2007 where several of them had little to no experience.

Well like you and everyone else here, we knew the Navy streak was going to end. I used Navy and Syracuse just as an example of games we have lost in the last decade, that we had no business losing.

Well honestly no loss would be acceptable. Our schedule is weak and for the people who dont believe that, put down the kool aid. But I think if we were to lose to B.C. and Pitt. Charlie would keep his job, throw in a bowl win and I think that would be an ok season.

I do pay attention, and I know we have enough talent waiting in the wings. Just at some point I have gotten sick of saying we are rebuilding, or we are young, or wait until next year. Teams like Boise St, and Cincy are in the top ten with half the talent we have.

 

[notredomer23]

STEREOTYPES. I am this season so far a Weiser, but last year I was a realist

 

[irishfan]

Our schedule is weak and for the people who dont believe that, put down the kool aid.

Then why is it rated as the 13th toughest?

 

[Riddickulous]

Don't forget poster type #6 -

Perverted, neurotic, flatulent, orphaned, insomniac, sugar-addicted (prize inside), masturbating, necrophiliac, sociopathic, reindeer, with irritable bowel syndrome who sometimes pretend to be muppet characters with tendencies to punch puppies, hump your leg, and poop on your lawn.

Neutered?

 

[IrishAddiction]

Actually our schedule is decent. Right now, the PAC10 leader, big east leader, pac10 #2, middle of the ACC, legit Michigan and Mich St teams..... it has been alot tougher of a schedule than originally expected.

 

[timm3117]

"...is the weakest schedule we have had in my memory."

Ahem....and our Sagarin SOS is at 13!!!!!!

College Football Ratings Page

We will be in the 20's or 30's by the end of the season. See that is as of now, we are ranked ahead of the whole SEC, because we we're playing a team like Mich St. while they were playing Charleston southern. So now they are into conference play they will slowly pass us one after another. See playing a div II school kills your SOS, it takes time to get it back up.

23-18 that is the record of the teams we have played. Minus the 2 teams that beat us 13-15.

 

[BGIF]

... This is the weakest schedule we have had in my memory. ...

You need to make an appointment with your doctor to have your memory checked. You're demonstrating pre-Alzheimer symptoms.

Phil Steele ranked ND with the 36th toughest schedule preseason.
2 slots behind Florida,
3 spots ahead of OSU,
4 ahead of Texas,
18 slots ahead of PIT
30 slots ahead of USF,
32 slots ahead of Alabama,
34 slots ahead of Cincinnati
36 slots ahead of PSU,
41 slots ahead of Mississippi,
45 slots ahead of Utah,
52 slots ahead of TCU,
81 slots ahead of Boise St.

Currently Sagarin has ND with the 13th toughest schedule.

Sagarin also predicts ND to finish 18th in the nation.

8 of ND's Opponents are forecast for Bowls.

 

[timm3117]

You need to make an appointment with your doctor to have your memory checked. You're demonstrating pre-Alzheimer symptoms.

Phil Steele ranked ND with the 36th toughest schedule preseason.
2 slots behind Florida,
3 spots ahead of OSU,
4 ahead of Texas,
18 slots ahead of PIT
30 slots ahead of USF,
32 slots ahead of Alabama,
34 slots ahead of Cincinnati
36 slots ahead of PSU,
41 slots ahead of Mississippi,
45 slots ahead of Utah,
52 slots ahead of TCU,
81 slots ahead of Boise St.

Currently Sagarin has ND with the 13th toughest schedule.

Sagarin also predicts ND to finish 18th in the nation.

8 of ND's Opponents are forecast for Bowls.

Ok then tell me, when was the last time we went into a season with the 36th toughest schedule. I never said I had a problem with it, but when 2 out of the 12 teams on your schedule are currently in the top 25, 9 wins is not to much to ask, and should be expected.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

hahaha these are my favorite posters on here. and im not a necrophiliac. she was drunk. theres a difference.

Actually, that is not entirely true because I think it really depends on how drunk she was. Think about it this way: is it necrophilia if you have sex with a girl in a vegetative state? I am not passing judgement - I just think if you put a dead girl and a girl in a coma side by side and closed your eyes, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. If you were able to arrange that, would it count as a three way?

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Neutered?

No, but I have been circumcised. Thanks for asking.

Wait...what?

 

[We_Are_ND]

I have been all three in the same day before.

LOL, no shit, me too.