Is a BCS bowl Still possible?

[NDMontana]

well they will if they win out, and they should make one if they win out

and the strength of schedule might not be doing us favors right now in the polls, but the computers dont seem to mind it. If we go 10-2, we'll be in the top 14 of the BCS. And wait until the top 25 comes out tomorrow before you say were not in it. We're going to be #28 at the worst probably and there's a good chance we'll still be ranked.

You think this team should make a BCS game? I don't think 10 wins gets us in the Top 14. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[irishfan]

You think this team should make a BCS game? I don't think 10 wins gets us in the Top 14. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

At 10-2 and with a lack of too many other premier teams I think we do, but agreed.

 

[phgreek]

At 10-2 and with a lack of too many other premier teams I think we do, but agreed.

In an earlier post I said how I thought CW was safe...let me just add another dimension here...if we somehow find our way into a BCS bowl...and get blown out, that'd actually put CW in harm's way...

For those of you wanting CW to stay...I guess that falls in the category of carefull what ya wish for...

For those of you wanting CW out...I guess you know what to pray for...

I guess I am torn...Of course I want us to win out, and hell yes I'd like to go to a BCS bowl...but there are teams out there that could hang 50 on us, and that wouldn't help this program to have that happen...

 

[irishfan]

In an earlier post I said how I thought CW was safe...let me just add another dimension here...if we somehow find our way into a BCS bowl...and get blown out, that'd actually put CW in harm's way...

For those of you wanting CW to stay...I guess that falls in the category of carefull what ya wish for...

For those of you wanting CW out...I guess you know what to pray for...

I guess I am torn...Of course I want us to win out, and hell yes I'd like to go to a BCS bowl...but there are teams out there that could hang 50 on us, and that wouldn't help this program to have that happen...

The only teams who I think could "blow us out" are Florida/Bama/USC on neutral field and maybe Texas and thats really it. I think we can hang with anyone. I mean I'd be worried about LSU but they're not gonna be in a BCS game. I think any ACC/Big 10/Big East team we can hang with.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

The only teams who I think could "blow us out" are Florida/Bama/USC on neutral field and maybe Texas and thats really it. I think we can hang with anyone. I mean I'd be worried about LSU but they're not gonna be in a BCS game. I think any ACC/Big 10/Big East team we can hang with.

concur....

 

[The hawaiianassassin]

did i watch a different game than yall. we hung in (and almost beat ) the 6th best team in the country.we scored two touchdown throws. wich no one else they have played could do combined quit calling for c dubs job and give him a little credit

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

did i watch a different game than yall. we hung in (and almost beat ) the 6th best team in the country.we scored two touchdown throws. wich no one else they have played could do combined quit calling for c dubs job and give him a little credit

Son....Might I suggest some water or soda over what you're currenly swilling.....no one has suggested a damn thing you're saying. Charlie is the man.....but pick and choose your battles a little better....

Gracias.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I don't think a BCS game is a possibility. The guys would have to win out and win impressively. Unfortunately this defense doesn't make winning impressively a possibility. THe offense can put up 30 week in and week out but the defense gives up 30 week in and week out. Winning last minute heart stoppers against BC and UConn and teams of similar ilk is not going to win us votes in the Top 25 and, in order to get into a BCS game, ND is going to have finish Top 12. The remaining schedule won't allow for a Top 12 finish. At the end of the day the loss to Michigan is the damning loss of this season....not the loss to USC.

Our strength of schedule, or lackthereof, has been waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy overblown. We are currently 28th on the Sagarin ratings, and that was BEFORE the USC game. That will put us way up. Add iny teams we still the play, like Pitt, who has lost only one game and will be ranked, Navy who keeps winning, UConn who keeps winning, and Stanford who scares the shit out of me. If we will out, we will absolutely be in the mix...

 

[jason_h537]

No BCS game but we beat the shit out of whatever poor ACC team is unlucky enough to play us in the Gator Bowl

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Whether Weis is the coach next year is anyone's guess. Judging by Saturday's result, he seems to have the program headed in the proper direction, but his two signature games are near-misses against USC. He still doesn't have a hallmark win. If the Irish go undefeated the rest of the way, they'll play in a BCS bowl for the third time in his tenure. But the schedule isn't a cakewalk. It wouldn't shock anyone if Notre Dame lost to Boston College, Pittsburgh, Navy or Stanford.



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He also says if we win out we will be in a BCS game. As did Herbstreit. Case closed.

 

[phork]

Gator or even the Cotton Bowl is in the mix.

 

[navyman]

no way,see ya in Jacksonville or Dallas

 

[quinniet]

BCS?

BCS?

Just being realistic here. If we go to a BCS game, it again demonstrates everything that is wrong with college football.

it is not the talent or the win-loss schedule that dictates who plays in the BCS, its who has the cache, whose fans travel well, and can pull in the almighty dollar.

we play eight home games out of twelve and a pathetically weak schedule, won't be ranked after this week and there is discussion of BCS? if the initials were BC( a far better football program in recent years) instead of ND there would be no discussion of BCS.

Does any one really think the team has "earned" the right to be mentioned in a BCS game discussion? Oh right, they staged a dramatic comeback at home down 20 points to the #6 team in the country but LOST, bottom line. Weis even worked an extra second on the clock to run another play. Does anyone think the game would have been that close if USC didn't decide to play the final quarter?

Ridiculous if we go to a BCS game, I don't how you finish out the season. There are far better teams that will have "earned" the right to go to a BCS game and probably won't.

 

[NDMontana]

Our strength of schedule, or lackthereof, has been waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy overblown. We are currently 28th on the Sagarin ratings, and that was BEFORE the USC game. That will put us way up. Add iny teams we still the play, like Pitt, who has lost only one game and will be ranked, Navy who keeps winning, UConn who keeps winning, and Stanford who scares the shit out of me. If we will out, we will absolutely be in the mix...

I disagree completely. We are not going to crack the Top 12 in the polls. There are way too many writers who refuse to be fooled any more. The last three BCS games we've been in have been blowouts. The media has heared enough of CFB fans voices crying out that ND shouldn't be in BCS games when there are worthy teams sitting at home. Oregon being left out in favor of us in 2006 will probably not be forgotten any time soon....especially after we got annihilated by LSU.

USC, to me, is the number six team in the country based on recent history and name value. If you've watched Matt Barkley play much this year it's easy to see that he's a freshmen and it's easy to see that USC is hurting for QB depth. Barkley will probably be a good one but yesterday had a lot to do with our secondary being lousy. If USC played Alabama, Texas, Florida or even LSU, they'd fall out of the Top 10 in a hurry. The bottom line is that USC hasn't played any worthy competition this season. Ohio State is way overrated (Terrel Pryor sucks balls by the way) and we are a legitimate 20-25th ranked team but no higher than that. I don't think we almost beat the sixth best team in the country.....we almost beat a Top 20 team.

And I've told you all along....ALMOST doesn't cut if for me anymore.

BTW....I wanted to tell you congratulations on the Angels victory over the Red Sox.

 

[NDMontana]

Whether Weis is the coach next year is anyone's guess. Judging by Saturday's result, he seems to have the program headed in the proper direction, but his two signature games are near-misses against USC. He still doesn't have a hallmark win. If the Irish go undefeated the rest of the way, they'll play in a BCS bowl for the third time in his tenure. But the schedule isn't a cakewalk. It wouldn't shock anyone if Notre Dame lost to Boston College, Pittsburgh, Navy or Stanford.



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He also says if we win out we will be in a BCS game. As did Herbstreit. Case closed.

If we lost to Navy or Stanford it would shock the hell of out me.

 

[phork]

Just being realistic here. If we go to a BCS game, it again demonstrates everything that is wrong with college football.

If ND gets to a BCS game that means that ND is in the top14, and ND is a huge money maker. Frankly if you aren't #1 or #2 it doesn't really matter, unless you include a playoff.

it is not the talent or the win-loss schedule that dictates who plays in the BCS, its who has the cache, whose fans travel well, and can pull in the almighty dollar.

Did you just wake up to this idea?

we play eight home games out of twelve and a pathetically weak schedule, won't be ranked after this week and there is discussion of BCS? if the initials were BC( a far better football program in recent years) instead of ND there would be no discussion of BCS.

Pathetically weak? I think in Sagarins SOS we have the 13th toughest schedule in the country.

Does any one really think the team has "earned" the right to be mentioned in a BCS game discussion? Oh right, they staged a dramatic comeback at home down 20 points to the #6 team in the country but LOST, bottom line. Weis even worked an extra second on the clock to run another play. Does anyone think the game would have been that close if USC didn't decide to play the final quarter?

Err a football game is 4 quarters. What remains to be seen is if USCs defense plays any other good teams like they played ND. NDs offense is for real, our defense makes freshman QBs look like Heisman candidates.

Ridiculous if we go to a BCS game, I don't how you finish out the season. There are far better teams that will have "earned" the right to go to a BCS game and probably won't.

BCS rules state only 2 teams per conference.

I disagree completely. We are not going to crack the Top 12 in the polls. There are way too many writers who refuse to be fooled any more. The last three BCS games we've been in have been blowouts. The media has heared enough of CFB fans voices crying out that ND shouldn't be in BCS games when there are worthy teams sitting at home. Oregon being left out in favor of us in 2006 will probably not be forgotten any time soon....especially after we got annihilated by LSU.

ND is not playing the NC game, therefore it is irrelevant who plays in any other bowl game.

And I've told you all along....ALMOST doesn't cut if for me anymore.

OMG Don't be so negative! There is always tomorrow! Oops, tomorrow never comes.

 

[jason_h537]

OMG Don't be so negative! There is always tomorrow! Oops, tomorrow never comes.

There is criticism and then there is negativity. I will let you decide which is which.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

If we lost to Navy or Stanford it would shock the hell of out me.

Clearly we have to win out, thank you for pointing that out to me

 

[AlumniHall98]

Just being realistic here. If we go to a BCS game, it again demonstrates everything that is wrong with college football.

it is not the talent or the win-loss schedule that dictates who plays in the BCS, its who has the cache, whose fans travel well, and can pull in the almighty dollar.

we play eight home games out of twelve and a pathetically weak schedule, won't be ranked after this week and there is discussion of BCS? if the initials were BC( a far better football program in recent years) instead of ND there would be no discussion of BCS.

Does any one really think the team has "earned" the right to be mentioned in a BCS game discussion? Oh right, they staged a dramatic comeback at home down 20 points to the #6 team in the country but LOST, bottom line. Weis even worked an extra second on the clock to run another play. Does anyone think the game would have been that close if USC didn't decide to play the final quarter?\

Ridiculous if we go to a BCS game, I don't how you finish out the season. There are far better teams that will have "earned" the right to go to a BCS game and probably won't.

Can someone say BANHAMMER please??? Come on, this new guy's posts are putrid. What a freakin troll!

 

[quinniet]

good comeback son, that college education at work.

 

[AlumniHall98]

Please don't insult my intelligence, you have no idea who I am nor what I do. My college education happens to have landed me a wonderful career, thank you very much. So don't start yapping like you know what you're talking about.

You are plain and simple a troll here, and no one cares about your opinions. Your comments are foolish and unsubstantiated, and clearly intended to draw attention to yourself and your insignificant ideas.

Go away.

 

[BGIF]

If we lost to Navy or Stanford it would shock the hell of out me.

Obviously you didn't watch the Navy/OSU game nor any of Stanford's games. They can both play ball.

According to Sagarin's current rankings, as of now, ND will be a slight underdog against Stanford AND PIT on the road.

Gerhart is the #5 RB in the nation and Luck the #19 passer. Like ND they score 30 points/game but give up about 25 points/game. That tends to keep games close. SU's 3 loses were by 7, 10, and 5 points. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory against Zona may have cost them a bowl. With games left against ASU, ORE, Southern Cal, CAL and ND, they could lose them all - yet still be a threat to beat ANY of them. IF they win just one before ND, they be playing ND with a bowl bid on the line. Harbaugh will work that.

Navy's only losses are 4 points to OSU in a thriller and 2 TDs to PIT, both ranked teams. Navy has the same grind it out option attack except they have a QB who doesn't throw often but does well when he does. Navy rushes for 4.7 yds/carry. They pass for 9.7 yds/attempt and 18.7 yds/completion. Navy scores a point or so more per game than ND and yields 2 or 3 less points points per game on defense. And they never quit. Despite the talent, Navy's fight is the epitome of college football. Navy could stumble down the road; they also could run their table.


PADOMERNUT said:

It wouldn't shock anyone if Notre Dame lost to Boston College, Pittsburgh, Navy or Stanford.

Apparently he should have said, "It wouldn't shock anyone who's been watching the games this year if Notre Dame lost to Boston College, Pittsburgh, Navy or Stanford."

 

[BGIF]

Just being realistic here. If we go to a BCS game, it again demonstrates everything that is wrong with college football.

it is not the talent or the win-loss schedule that dictates who plays in the BCS, its who has the cache, whose fans travel well, and can pull in the almighty dollar.

we play eight home games out of twelve and a pathetically weak schedule, won't be ranked after this week and there is discussion of BCS? if the initials were BC( a far better football program in recent years) instead of ND there would be no discussion of BCS. ...

Yo, EagleBoy!

No coincidence your first post occurs as we start into BC week, is there?

Stop with the "we" charade.

"the pathetically weak schedule" lie you keep tryiing to spread doens't fly. Phil Steele listed ND's schedule as 36th Toughest. Sagarin now has it as the 13th Toughest. By Comparison Steele listed BC's as 47th toughest and Sagarin has it as 82nd Toughest.

BC fans that want to discuss football are welcome here for dialog.

Trolls aren't. You're done.

 

[NDMontana]

Clearly we have to win out, thank you for pointing that out to me

I actually meant that ND should beat both of those teams in a semi-comfortable manner.

 

[NDMontana]

Obviously you didn't watch the Navy/OSU game nor any of Stanford's games. They can both play ball.

According to Sagarin's current rankings, as of now, ND will be a slight underdog against Stanford AND PIT on the road.

Gerhart is the #5 RB in the nation and Luck the #19 passer. Like ND they score 30 points/game but give up about 25 points/game. That tends to keep games close. SU's 3 loses were by 7, 10, and 5 points. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory against Zona may have cost them a bowl. With games left against ASU, ORE, Southern Cal, CAL and ND, they could lose them all - yet still be a threat to beat ANY of them. IF they win just one before ND, they be playing ND with a bowl bid on the line. Harbaugh will work that.

Navy's only losses are 4 points to OSU in a thriller and 2 TDs to PIT, both ranked teams. Navy has the same grind it out option attack except they have a QB who doesn't throw often but does well when he does. Navy rushes for 4.7 yds/carry. They pass for 9.7 yds/attempt and 18.7 yds/completion. Navy scores a point or so more per game than ND and yields 2 or 3 less points points per game on defense. And they never quit. Despite the talent, Navy's fight is the epitome of college football. Navy could stumble down the road; they also could run their table.


PADOMERNUT said:

Apparently he should have said, "It wouldn't shock anyone who's been watching the games this year if Notre Dame lost to Boston College, Pittsburgh, Navy or Stanford."

Snarky are we??

Well who the hell has Ohio State impressed? Navy hanging with OSU doesn't speak much to Navy's overall ability. OSU is the most overrated team in the country led by the most overhyped QB in recent memory. But think what you want.

Stanford has beaten San Jose State, Washington State, Washington and UCLA. Washington has obviously faded fast and UCLA is pretty uninspiring too. Washington State and San Jose State aren't even worth commenting on.

It's amazing that two people can watch the same games and one of them comes out of the game completely unimpressed while the other convinces himself that he's just watched a titan of college football. If you want to live in fear of Stanford and Navy go right ahead.

 

[phork]

I think what he is saying is that those teams are in exactly the same position ND is in every game. No matter the talent level of the other team, they always play down or up to it. Those teams mentioned above are on the losing end of the same games that ND pulls out, which bodes well for ND. In summary I think the point is that any of these teams could beat any of these other teams on any given Saturday.

PS: What has Harbaugh done that Weis still hasn't? U S C.

 

[Riddickulous]

I think what he is saying is that those teams are in exactly the same position ND is in every game. No matter the talent level of the other team, they always play down or up to it. Those teams mentioned above are on the losing end of the same games that ND pulls out, which bodes well for ND. In summary I think the point is that any of these teams could beat any of these other teams on any given Saturday.

PS: What has Harbaugh done that Weis still hasn't? U S C.

What has Weis done that Harbaugh hasn't? B C S.

 

[jason_h537]

Im sure USCplays with the same intensity against Stanford as they do us

 

[BGIF]

Snarky are we??

That's your M.O., speak for yourself.

I provided substance and you issued me Negative Reps. It's a shame they don't show up. Negative Reps from you is a mark of distinction.

Well who the hell has Ohio State impressed?

Enough voters, both coaches and writers to be ranked 17th and 18th in the polls. Enough for Sagarin to rank them #19.

Navy hanging with OSU doesn't speak much to Navy's overall ability.

It speaks to Navy's fight which is the point I made.

It's amazing that two people can watch the same games and one of them comes out of the game completely unimpressed while the other convinces himself that he's just watched a titan of college football. ...

"Titan of college football?" I didn't say that, did I?

Here's what I did say.

Originally Posted by BGIF
Obviously you didn't watch the Navy/OSU game nor any of Stanford's games. They can both play ball.

You're a troll. You offer no substance in your posts. You just like to poke eyes.

 

[phork]

What has Weis done that Harbaugh hasn't? B C S.

Oh right... Those were some classic ass beatings. You know when I try to defend a point, I generally don't use things in my arguments that would shoot down my point.