The Ref's in the Michigan Game

[irishtrain]

ClausentoFloyd- yes yes yes on the Tate arm bar, on the radio Pinkett made a comment on that because at first his point was Tate was not himself- then questioned interference. Pinkett is a class guy he doesnt do that unless he has a point.

 

[IrishAddiction]

I dont know if anyone posted these, but my computers slow and i looked back like 5 pages and didnt see them. Guess charlie sent in alot of the calls that were questionable to the big ten for explanation, no formal complaints, just explanation. (bc we have big ten refs this week too). Heres some links about what CW had to say about the calls if anyones interested. im personally still pissed about it, and still wanna beat the hell outta some big ten refs if anybodys down..... Neutered?

A day later, Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis is talking about officiating - AnnArbor.com
Weis Confused By Calls

 

[laservet]

That last non-call, on one of those legendary second and third down plays with two minutes left, was complete bullshit. When Golden Tate can't get his other hand up because Donovan Warren is holding it down, that's pass interference. Jesus Christ.

Anybody recall a particular play from the first quarter? Brandon Minor bursts through the hole for a big gain. On the replay, you can see a Michigan guard has Ian Williams in a bear hug from behind. No call. I just about exploded.

You mean like this?

Brandon Graham keeps his head (but only barely) - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF - Yahoo! Sports

Graham and Roh were taken down like this all game, not called by the officials.

I attended the game and the officiating was typical officiating. Holding on nearly every play, receivers and defenders had their hands on each other the whole game.

The taunting call was a good call, and Tate should have been flagged for taunting on a previous td catch. It was poor sportsmanship, Weiss admitted it was a foul, and the timing sucked but it wasn't the officials' fault, it was a lack of discipline on the part of the ND players.

 

[phork]

The taunting call was a good call, and Tate should have been flagged for taunting on a previous td catch. It was poor sportsmanship, Weiss admitted it was a foul, and the timing sucked but it wasn't the officials' fault, it was a lack of discipline on the part of the ND players.

What about the Michigan orgy in the end zone on their first TD of the game. I would say that was excessive.

 

[NDinL.A.]

What about the Michigan orgy in the end zone on their first TD of the game. I would say that was excessive.

Exactly. If it's a penalty in the last minutes, making it a crucial call, how is it not a penalty in the first minute? Just be consistent, that's all.

And no, ND corners were nowhere near as guilty of PI than the Michigan corners. I've replayed the game, and I looked for that specifically. Not even close. Like I said in another thread (or maybe it was this one???), they were lucky the game wasn't in Utah because in that state what the Mich DB's did to Floyd and Tate would be considered rape...

 

[TDHeysus]

officiating in football has been a complete piece of shit in this young season. College football and NFL football.

did anyone see the Raiders get absolutely robbed of a TD last night??? only for NE to get the same exact call earlier in the night???

I dont know what a catch is anymore
I dont know what conclusive replay evidence is anymore
and i for damn sure dont know what constitutes holding anymore.


I guess the game of football has passed me by at the age of 36.

 

[JefMaj]

Around 2000 or so - ND was called for a last minute Excessive Celebration call - that costus the game. Big 10 crew again.

 

[laservet]

What about the Michigan orgy in the end zone on their first TD of the game. I would say that was excessive.

I was sitting about 40 rows up on that 10 yard line, had a real good look at it. It was pretty sedate. It's at about the 4 minute mark here:

YouTube - 2009: Michigan-38 Notre Dame-34 (PART 1)

You call that an "orgy" of celebration?

 

[JefMaj]

Was it the Hawaii game, where either Tate of Allen threw that hand forward to signal a 1st down and received a penalty? I've seen at least 4 plays on TV where that penalty was not called for the exact same action.
I'm glad it's not called all around - what do we want Stepford Guys - just wish it didn't seem those flags are pointed at us.
I recognize I'm biased, however...

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

Personally, I thought the refs were terrible. That being said, One penalty they nailed was the delay of game against ND. As I watched the game I could only wonder when they would draw the flag. They came close several times. This is inexcusable, maybe once in a while I understand. After having to burn the first TO you would think they would address that problem.

 

[laservet]

Personally, I thought the refs were terrible.

B10 refs have been horrible for at least the almost 50 years I have been actively watching B10 games. They have been so bad they have 1) officially apologized after the fact (big whoop) for a terrible call at the end of a game that changed the outcome, and 2) one of the rules was changed to prevent a repeat of a bad call that cost a team a game.

That said, a team must play well enough to rise above the officiating and be disciplined enough not to do anything stupid.

Both teams played well, wasted opportunities to put the other team away, and had a chance at the end of the game to win.

 

[irishfan]

Was it the Hawaii game, where either Tate of Allen threw that hand forward to signal a 1st down and received a penalty? I've seen at least 4 plays on TV where that penalty was not called for the exact same action.
I'm glad it's not called all around - what do we want Stepford Guys - just wish it didn't seem those flags are pointed at us.
I recognize I'm biased, however...

carlson used to love the old first down hand sign. refs seemed to always call it one out of every 5 times

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

That said, a team must play well enough to rise above the officiating and be disciplined enough not to do anything stupid.

Both teams played well, wasted opportunities to put the other team away, and had a chance at the end of the game to win.

I do not dispute these statements one bit, only giving an opinion on my observation.

 

[irishfan]

No, what I am implying is that you don't run the QB Draw.

not to completely beat this issue dead but remember the ga tech game in 2006?

ND losing 10-0 with 16 seconds left in the 2nd quarter and 0 timeouts. Ball on the Ga tech 5 yard line, 2nd and goal? What play does Weis run? A nice safe pass to the end zone to save time? Nope, QB draw. That was clearly a desperate time against a great D and Weis went with the QB draw. If that play is stopped, the half is most likely over, and ND comes away with 0. Weis had the choice of taking two shots at the end zone or run 1 qb draw, and he chose the draw. Clearly he trusts this play, and as long as the blocking up front is ok, the play works well.

 

[laservet]

I do not dispute these statements one bit, only giving an opinion on my observation.

Me, too.

There's a lot of football left to play. Here is where the coach earns his salary. The team can crumble, or it could storm through the rest of the season. USC looks vulnerable this year.

 

[jfjkd01]

I don't know if anyone has covered this? But has anyone outside of ND even mention the ref's bad calls?

 

[phork]

I was sitting about 40 rows up on that 10 yard line, had a real good look at it. It was pretty sedate. It's at about the 4 minute mark here:

YouTube - 2009: Michigan-38 Notre Dame-34 (PART 1)

You call that an "orgy" of celebration?

Sorry, I think it was Stonum's KO return for the TD. I know it was definitely there, I saw it.

 

[BGIF]

I don't know if anyone has covered this? But has anyone outside of ND even mention the ref's bad calls?

Yes.

 

[bert2834]

Not sure if this is on here or not, but take a look at the play in the 1st quarter where Sam Young gets his helmet TORN off by the defender. How is a penalty not called on that? He grabs his helmet and rips it off his head!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!

Also, did anyone else notice how nasty the ref was while calling the holding penalty on Young after Rudolph's 76 yarder? It seemed like he was pissed off!

 

[WabashFalcon]

It is over. Suck it up. Time to move on.

 

[Master Guns]

Was it the Hawaii game, where either Tate of Allen threw that hand forward to signal a 1st down and received a penalty? I've seen at least 4 plays on TV where that penalty was not called for the exact same action.
I'm glad it's not called all around - what do we want Stepford Guys - just wish it didn't seem those flags are pointed at us.
I recognize I'm biased, however...

Two seasons ago (I think against Stanford) John Carlson got called for unportsmanlike conduct for making a first down gesture after a catch while the defenders were piled on top of him. But yet how many players make a routine play and celebrate as if they just won a Super Bowl and not get called for a penalty? Totally BS.

 

[Master Guns]

I dont know if anyone posted these, but my computers slow and i looked back like 5 pages and didnt see them. Guess charlie sent in alot of the calls that were questionable to the big ten for explanation, no formal complaints, just explanation. (bc we have big ten refs this week too). Heres some links about what CW had to say about the calls if anyones interested. im personally still pissed about it, and still wanna beat the hell outta some big ten refs if anybodys down..... Neutered?

A day later, Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis is talking about officiating - AnnArbor.com
Weis Confused By Calls

CW sentr a tape into the Big Ten showing multiple punches being thrown at ND players.