UFC 100

[TDHeysus]

I'm watching Brock Lesnar beat up Frank Mir, End of the 1st, Lesnar best him up the 1st round.

 

[TDHeysus]

Brock pounded him...it was stopped in the 2nd. Brock wins, Mir was bloodied up nicely.

Quite a few of the crowd was booing him; not sure why.

Dan Henderson had a brutal knockout of Michael Bisping in earlier fight

 

[NDinL.A.]

Brock pounded him...it was stopped in the 2nd. Brock wins, Mir was bloodied up nicely.

Quite a few of the crowd was booing him; not sure why.

Dan Henderson had a brutal knockout of Michael Bisping in earlier fight

I don't follow MMA much (I'm a dinosaur - love boxing), but that dude Lesner is on serious roids. I just saw the highlights on ESPN, and not only is he friggin ridiculously huge, he's also got a serious case of roid rage. Did you ctach his act after the fight? DAMN!

Also, I'm a huge Vision Quest fan, and my buddy texted me saying that Dan Henderson came into the ring with the Vision Quest song playing. Classic. Then he texted me saying Dan went in there and kicked his arse. Awesome...

 

[WabashFalcon]

Brock Lesnar is a scary, scary man.

 

[jason_h537]

Lesner's fists are the size of my head. That guy is a beast, i can not think of a guy who can beat him.

Anyone know when the Forest Griffen/ Spider Silva fight is?

 

[WabashFalcon]

Lesner's fists are the size of my head. That guy is a beast, i can not think of a guy who can beat him.
Anyone know when the Forest Griffen/ Spider Silva fight is?

Me. With a machine gun. And bazooka.

 

[jason_h537]

ok i can't think of a guy who can beat him without the use of weaponsin a sanctioned mma match

 

[OchoShayneO]

Frank Mir is not a small guy listed at 6'1 245. Lesner looked like he had a serious size advantage.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Randy "Macho Man" Savage in his prime could take Lesner. Period.

 

[OchoShayneO]

I dont know man. Lesner was champ in the wwf too.

 

[tannerpw3]

Which is scripted.

News today is the MMA people are freaking out because Lesnar acted like a WWE guy post-fight. Flipping off the crowd, mocking the sponsors, etc.

Me, I think it's funny. Trying to pass off this savage gladiatorial crap as a sport or as something worthy of respect is pretty pathetic. Boxing remains a sport, albeit a barbaric one. This is just barbarism. Unfortunately boxing is dead and this crap is popular; but then that's the state of the culture.

 

[OchoShayneO]

Yea I just read about that on yahoo. I think this is a sport though. Fighters, boxers included, are probally the most physically fit guys in the world.

 

[WabashFalcon]

What Boxing HAS to do, to become relevant again, is to merge the 3 different leagues/championships into a single one. That way, you have ONE Heavyweight champ, ONE Lightweight, etc.

 

[tannerpw3]

Yea I just read about that on yahoo. I think this is a sport though. Fighters, boxers included, are probally the most physically fit guys in the world.

That doesn't make it a sport.

Look at it this way. Yesterday I watched a video of a fight between a panther and a big snake, in the jungle. It was a great fight. It was not a sport. I guarantee, having watched it, it contained as much technique as an MMA fight. The snake went into the water to regain an advantage; the snake put a choke hold on the panther, which the panther broke using another technique - etc.

Yet the snake vs the panther is not a sport. And so neither is two random thugs fighting each other for the amusement of a lot of morons a sport. And the latter even lacks the few virtues of the former. At least the snake and the panther, or any two animals in the wild, it's a fight for survival, and to the death. It's not a fight because the two animals are bored and all their animal friends are wealthy and depraved enough to create a market for such fights. And I'd much rather watch two natural fighters like the snake and the panther than a couple of musclebound thugs who if you dropped them in the wild, they'd get eaten, or starve to death (see my namesake for an example).

I love boxing but even with boxing, I've always had a love/hate relationship with it. It's as far in that direction as you can go before you're into savage, embarrassing, late-Rome stuff. UFC is well over that line, IMO.

And Wabash, I agree. But I think even if they did that, boxing just wouldn't appeal to modern America, especially not with MMA right there. They'd always pick that over boxing, which a fan has to learn how to watch. Remember the last great popular champ was Mike Tyson, who just blitzed opponents. That's the only kind of boxing modern Americans would understand.

 

[tannerpw3]

And sorry for the negativity/rant, but this is one of my real topics. Like I think this is one of the surest signs (I mean besides something like the emergence of Sarah Palin) of my country's moral and intellectual decline.

 

[littlerick77]

What Boxing HAS to do, to become relevant again, is to merge the 3 different leagues/championships into a single one. That way, you have ONE Heavyweight champ, ONE Lightweight, etc.

Agreed!.....the Big 3 US auto companies should have done the same instead of compete with each other.

 

[jason_h537]

Whatboxing needs is good marketable boxers. When De La Hoya is the best thing in the past 10-15 years, you know its a dying sport.

People who think MMA is barbaric just don't take the time to actually understand how regulated the sport is or how trained the fighters are.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Whatboxing needs is good marketable boxers. When De La Hoya is the best thing in the past 10-15 years, you know its a dying sport.

People who think MMA is barbaric just don't take the time to actually understand how regulated the sport is or how trained the fighters are.

I don't think so man. There are a lot of names that people know... and I do NOT follow boxing that much. Manny Pacquio (can't spell), Floyd Meriweather, etc.

 

[jason_h537]

Yeah there are good fighters but who are they fighting? There are no more Ali- Foreman, Leanord- Duran fights. You have Manny vs nobodies, Jones Jr vs nobodies. And when you occasionally have an attention grabbing fight its an old De La Hoys fighting an undersized Manny.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

And sorry for the negativity/rant, but this is one of my real topics. Like I think this is one of the surest signs (I mean besides something like the emergence of Sarah Palin) of my country's moral and intellectual decline.

Grrrr............

Nancy Pelosi. Harry Reed. Broccoli.

 

[OchoShayneO]

That doesn't make it a sport.

Look at it this way. Yesterday I watched a video of a fight between a panther and a big snake, in the jungle. It was a great fight. It was not a sport. I guarantee, having watched it, it contained as much technique as an MMA fight. The snake went into the water to regain an advantage; the snake put a choke hold on the panther, which the panther broke using another technique - etc.

Yet the snake vs the panther is not a sport. And so neither is two random thugs fighting each other for the amusement of a lot of morons a sport. And the latter even lacks the few virtues of the former. At least the snake and the panther, or any two animals in the wild, it's a fight for survival, and to the death. It's not a fight because the two animals are bored and all their animal friends are wealthy and depraved enough to create a market for such fights. And I'd much rather watch two natural fighters like the snake and the panther than a couple of musclebound thugs who if you dropped them in the wild, they'd get eaten, or starve to death (see my namesake for an example).

I love boxing but even with boxing, I've always had a love/hate relationship with it. It's as far in that direction as you can go before you're into savage, embarrassing, late-Rome stuff. UFC is well over that line, IMO.

And Wabash, I agree. But I think even if they did that, boxing just wouldn't appeal to modern America, especially not with MMA right there. They'd always pick that over boxing, which a fan has to learn how to watch. Remember the last great popular champ was Mike Tyson, who just blitzed opponents. That's the only kind of boxing modern Americans would understand.

Man thats a depressing outlook on the state of intellect in America. I respect that opinion of you and all the people who think MMA is over the line. I do like watching MMA just as much as boxing. Im not a moron either and just like you say fans have to learn how to watch boxing, fans should learn how to watch MMA. Not much can be learned from watching the Lesner fight but The Theigo Alves vs George St. Pierre fight would be a fight that is entertaining for the technique they guys use.

 

[tannerpw3]

People who think MMA is barbaric just don't take the time to actually understand how regulated the sport is or how trained the fighters are.

I don't think this has anything to do with whether or not something is barbaric. What's the point of MMA fighting? What is the purpose of it? If you ask me that about football, I can say it's the score more points than the opponent. Then we get into explaining the ways teams score points, all that goes into it and so on. Likewise with other sports, even including boxing (boxing isn't a sport of knockouts). Boxing in fact is the complete opposite of MMA, in that the knockout (which we think of as being boxing's 'thing', what it's about) is really just an incidental thing. Whereas with MMA, the stuff fans pretend to be interested in (the 'technique') is really the incidental thing, or rather a means to an end - which is, beating the other guy up. If the point of your sport is 'kill/ maim/ beat up' the other guy - and that's the actual object of the sport, unlike boxing where it's an incidental thing - then your sport isn't a sport, and is barbaric. IMO.

Grrrr............

Nancy Pelosi. Harry Reed. Broccoli.

I don't care about your politics. I consider it one's duty as an American and as a thinking person to be alarmed by Mrs Palin's emergence as a legitimate political figure. Republican bigwigs are just as disgusted as left wingers by this woman. It's become almost a non-partisan issue. It's like the fight against illiteracy.

Man thats a depressing outlook on the state of intellect in America. I respect that opinion of you and all the people who think MMA is over the line. I do like watching MMA just as much as boxing. Im not a moron either and just like you say fans have to learn how to watch boxing, fans should learn how to watch MMA. Not much can be learned from watching the Lesner fight but The Theigo Alves vs George St. Pierre fight would be a fight that is entertaining for the technique they guys use.

I'll correct earlier, when I said MMA fans were morons. I have many friends who follow it - but I will say that people are morons ABOUT it. So, when you're watching and enjoying MMA, you're being a moron. I think that's more fair. It's like, you may be a brilliant doctor in real life, but you may also go see Transformers 2, and like it - and you're a moron about that.

And again, I honestly find it tough to see any difference between an MMA fight's vaunted technique, and the things animals do during fights in nature videos, many of which you can find on YouTube. The only difference I can see is that the animals are better fighters.

 

[tannerpw3]

Also, I just thought of something else. There are a ton of videos online of fights. Fights between people in real life, at school, in neighborhoods, etc.

Now according to me - these are the same sport as MMA. The only difference is that the participants are not trained in it, and that there are fewer - ok, NO - regulations. But it's the same sport, the same way backyard football is still football. The object of the fight is the same as of any MMA fight, and many of the techniques are the same, or at least in the same spirit.

So I just think there's a lot of evidence that it's not a sport. But I'm a hard liner, I also don't think poker, hunting, NASCAR, or the spelling bee are sports. Haven't decided on golf yet.

This line of reasoning might seem to threaten 'real' wrestling - but I think that's more in line with boxing, in terms of what the object of the contest is.

 

[dyrtdogg]

I'm no fan of Lesnar (even less so after his post-fight antics), but he's a phenomonon. The guy's only been training MMA for three years and I can only think of two heavyweights who might beat him (Fedor and Barnett). Cain Velasquez and Shane Carwin could possibly step into the picture in the future, but currently I can't see any of the Heavies on the UFC roster beating Lesnar.

 

[WabashFalcon]

I think that you cannot speculate on the sport of boxing IF they underwent significant revisions that would bring about a re-rise in "Star Power". We don't have Ali-Frasier anymore because of all of the rifts in the sport between the three different Boxing Leagues. One league with one title will bring about more names going for a single shot at a title and will also develop boxers climbing the ladder to get their fair turn.

As for MMA and Palin, MMA first... the guys work their asses off to get the shit kicked out of them. In reality, why are we sniping these guys for their sport? You have an issue with an MMA fighter, step into the ring with him. You have a problem with Palin (and your speculation on GOP "bigwigs" that hate her are only from the next crop considering a run in 2012), get elected as Governor of your state and do a better job. I'm sure people, some day if you ran for office, would look at you and say "God... I think Tanner's tax plan is stupid as hell." People live in glass houses shouldn't start chucking stones around. I know I do it too... but the vehement hate people have been spewing has GOT to stop.

 

[tannerpw3]

Peggy Noonan is running for office in 2012?

Also, your defense of MMA guys is the exact same as your defense of scholarship football players. They're not working their asses off to get the shit kicked out of them - Lesnar got paid 3 million dollars for that fight.

Oh, and I promise I would do a better job as governor of the great state of Indiana than Mrs Palin did in Alaska. I wouldn't have countless ethics complaints. I wouldn't quit to run for higher office during my first term, then abruptly resign midway through that term in order to start a self-promotion tour and avoid an ensuing scandal caused by my criminality. I certainly wouldn't belong to a group promoting the secession of my state from the US. And so on.

And it's not vehement hate, and doesn't have to stop. That woman would have done irreversible damage to an already dying country, that I happen to live in. McCain, who is a grown up, should never be forgiven for what he almost put us through.



And as a response to the Lesnar post - the fact that BL could be so dominant with so little training shows how little training is needed for - fighting. I promise if he became a boxer against anyone near his size, and well-trained, he wouldn't be so dominant. He'd be lucky to compete.



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Wabash, if I were you, the Palin-defending post is the one I'd come back tomorrow and say my roommate typed it. That's the one a man doesn't want on his record.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Peggy Noonan is running for office in 2012?

Also, your defense of MMA guys is the exact same as your defense of scholarship football players. They're not working their asses off to get the shit kicked out of them - Lesnar got paid 3 million dollars for that fight.

Oh, and I promise I would do a better job as governor of the great state of Indiana than Mrs Palin did in Alaska. I wouldn't have countless ethics complaints. I wouldn't quit to run for higher office during my first term, then abruptly resign midway through that term in order to start a self-promotion tour and avoid an ensuing scandal caused by my criminality. I certainly wouldn't belong to a group promoting the secession of my state from the US. And so on.

And it's not vehement hate, and doesn't have to stop. That woman would have done irreversible damage to an already dying country, that I happen to live in. McCain, who is a grown up, should never be forgiven for what he almost put us through.



And as a response to the Lesnar post - the fact that BL could be so dominant with so little training shows how little training is needed for - fighting. I promise if he became a boxer against anyone near his size, and well-trained, he wouldn't be so dominant. He'd be lucky to compete.



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Wabash, if I were you, the Palin-defending post is the one I'd come back tomorrow and say my roommate typed it. That's the one a man doesn't want on his record.

Prove it. And there are few people that bug me here at IE. You are fast approaching the likes of Ihatepaste and urbanmeyerbadhire. You do not want to go there... and keep spewing the hate! We all love hate here!

 

[Axl Rose]

I'm no fan of Lesnar (even less so after his post-fight antics), but he's a phenomonon. The guy's only been training MMA for three years and I can only think of two heavyweights who might beat him (Fedor and Barnett). Cain Velasquez and Shane Carwin could possibly step into the picture in the future, but currently I can't see any of the Heavies on the UFC roster beating Lesnar.

106-5 record as an amateur wrestler. Hes a freak, and a scary scary dude.

 

[tannerpw3]

Prove it. And there are few people that bug me here at IE. You are fast approaching the likes of Ihatepaste and urbanmeyerbadhire. You do not want to go there... and keep spewing the hate! We all love hate here!

I don't care if I bug you. I wasn't rude to you, and you told me to STFU. Then I tried to do the olive branch thing, and you get back in, and you make up some nonsense about your roommate having typed the stuff. That fooled exactly no one, in fact it was a huge insult that you'd think the people here would be dumb enough to buy that. And that's the kind of thing that bugs me, and I still didn't say anything against you until you took what was NOT a partisan political post on my part (Palin is no longer a partisan political figure - she is a pop culture personality; she even said today she is willing to campaign for democrats), and you decided to make an entire long response about my shot at this horrible, horrible woman - and your whole response was nonsense talking points. And now you tell me to be elected governor, or else I'm unfit to criticize a governor - which is the same as when you said that if I'm not a major NCAA athlete, I can't judge how hard they work - and you know, THAT is the kind of thing that gets on MY nerves. But I held back until this latest thing.

Frankly I don't care if you don't like me. I think you're the kind of person I want to be not liked by.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Okay. You've called me a liar. Care to come and see the $600 a month apt I split with my English teaching roommate and Linebacker coach? Do you need proof of life? He was drunk, he was an idiot, and I'm glad you extended the olive branch. Really, I am. After your last point and the one previous, I still have no ill will. I didn't tell you to shut up, I didn't tell you to go screw yourself, and I'm glad you think that I was feeble-minded enough to attempt a bait and switch.

It's an Internet site. We have opinions. If you want to kick up a case of Internet Munchausen Syndrome, go ahead. Your post was partisian slanted and dripping with contempt. Again, do what you want, say what you want to say. I was steamed, not pissed. If you don't like me, fine. I would still love to strike up and have a conversation. Keep comming back and chatting. I just find myself at odds with a majority of your ideas.