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She's not cut out to be president, and that fact that many people think she is, bothers me. I'd hope the GOP has someone better.

I could say the same about Obama. Go down that road again???

BTW, we were watching his Independence Day address a while ago. My 5 year old son says, "his name sounds like Barack-oli Obama. Broccoli Obama."

LMFAO!!! His name for me will always be Broccoli.
 

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She's not cut out to be president, and that fact that many people think she is, bothers me. I'd hope the GOP has someone better.

this is just such an ignorant comment if you supported Obama considering she had more experience than he did before the election
 

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Obama won the minority vote because he was a minority. He will do it again unless the GOP counters with a minority.

Is this the Colin Powell backed Obama because of race argument? This is another misconception about "minorities". We are not all simple minded people who vote for a candidate stricktly because they loook like us. I am surpised Palin did not prove that when Obama won the majority of the female vote. Wasn't that the plan when Palin was picked? Win all the Hillary backers by picking a woman. The Democratic party has, for as long as i can remember, been the party of "minorities". The parties standings on social issues is what gets them the "minority vote". What Obama was able to do was to appeal to people in a certian way that only a handful of politicians have ever been able to do. He got people to vote that never do. He was able to turn historically red states blue. This was not because of the color of his skin, but because of the man. Had Hillary been the democratic nominee, she would have won the "minority vote" as well. When you stop thinking of us as demographics, and begin to try and appeal to us as people, maybe then you will start to win our votes. I hope that the Republican Party does run a Palin/ Jindal ticket. That way when Obama once again dominates the Female/ Minority vote, he can lay this stupid theory to rest. I can promise you this. If McCain was black and Obama was white, Obama would still be President, probably by an even greater margin.
 
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Is this the Colin Powell backed Obama because of race argument? This is another misconception about people of minorities. We are not all simple minded people who vote for a candidate stricktly because they loook like us. Surpised Palin did not prove that when Obama won the majority of the female vote. Was'nt that the plan when Palin was picked? Win all the Hillary backers by picking a woman. The democratic party has for as long as i can remember been the party of the minorities. The parties standings on social issues is what gets them the "minority vote". What Obama was able to do was to appeal to people in a certian way that only a handful of politicians have ever been able to do. He got people to vote that never do, he was able to turn historically red states blue. This was not because of the color of his skin, but because of the man. Had hillary been the democratic nominee, she would have won the minority vote as well. When you stop thinking of us as demographics, and begin to try and appeal to us as people, maybe then you will start to win our votes. I hope that the Republican Party does run a Palin/ Jindal ticket. That way when Obama once again dominates theFeamle/ Minority vote, he can lay this stupid theory to rest. I can promise you this. If McCain was black and Obama was white, Obama would still be President, probably by an even greater margin.

dude 98% of African Americans voted for Obama. I dont care what you say, but if he was a republican 98% of African Americans would still have voted. Hey, I can't say I wouldn't either if I African American. It was truely a historic event that happenned. You are completely wrong that Obama would be president if he was white because then he would be the same old thing of that party. He would not have even been on the ballet cuz Hillary would have beaten him...

TIME TO RANT

Why does everyone think universal healthcare is a good thing? It is such a bad thing, it would destroy our economy even more, and would be unfair. It is not universal. If I am a 75 year old cancer patient they will not give me care because they think I am gonna die soon anyway because I am 75. That is why the Cleveland Clinic is one of the largest medical clinics in America because universal healthcare in Canada has failed just how it will here if it is implemented. The Cleveland Clinic is almost entirely used by Canadians. Am I gonna have to go to Mexico now to get healthcare for my grandpa if this happens


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dude 98% of African Americans voted for Obama. I dont care what you say, but if he was a republican 98% of African Americans would still have voted. Hey, I can't say I wouldn't either if I African American. It was truely a historic event that happenned. You are completely wrong that Obama would be president if he was white because then he would be the same old thing of that party. He would not have even been on the ballet cuz Hillary would have beaten him... .


Not sure where you get the idea that if Obama was white, Hillary would have won, but ok. If The Republican party ran Michael Steele, against Hillary, she would have won 98% of the black vote. The Clintons are a few of the candidates minority voters trust. Look at past elections and see the voting history of blacks, latins, women, asians, etc. What Obama was able to do, because of his race, was get more blacks, and latins to come out and vote for him who tradittionally do not vote at all. There was still 2% that did not vote for the man. get off this bs.



Why does everyone think universal healthcare is a good thing? It is such a bad thing, it would destroy our economy even more, and would be unfair. It is not universal. If I am a 75 year old cancer patient they will not give me care because they think I am gonna die soon anyway because I am 75. That is why the Cleveland Clinic is one of the largest medical clinics in America because universal healthcare in Canada has failed just how it will here if it is implemented. The Cleveland Clinic is almost entirely used by Canadians. Am I gonna have to go to Mexico now to get healthcare for my grandpa if this happens.


The idea of universal healthcare is that every American citizen should have acces to afordable healthcare. The idea that healthcare is a right not a priveledge. The question is how do you provide for it. You have the Canadien example, the Dutch system, and so on. The biggest beef people seem to have with the current healthcare system is the price and coveredge. If a 12 year old boy with medical insurance is denied cancer treatment, that is a problem. If a family can not afford coveredge, and their job does not provide health care, that is a problem. If a business can no longer afford to provide medical for their employees, and is forced to either cut coveredge or jobs, that is a problem. The biggest opponent for a new healthcare bill are the insurance companies, who will lose out. The idea of universal healthcare is a lie, no plan will cover everyone unless it is entirely government run. There are several models out there for the US to use as an example of how to provide better, and more affordable healthcare. the bigger question is why is the United States the only major country without a plan in place, other than its a free market.
 

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I'm not really looking much at the first paragraph cuz that is strictly opinion are both are sides IMO.

to the paragraph on healthcare. ahhhh I could tear this to shreads if I wasnt short on time, but all I gotta say is we would be taxed the shit out of us with universal health care so it really isnt "free healthcare" how many think. All I gotta say is read the constitution. A lot of things going on right now are unconstitutional and not what are Founding Fathers had in mind
 

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I'm not really looking much at the first paragraph cuz that is strictly opinion are both are sides IMO.

to the paragraph on healthcare. ahhhh I could tear this to shreads if I wasnt short on time, but all I gotta say is we would be taxed the shit out of us with universal health care so it really isnt "free healthcare" how many think. All I gotta say is read the constitution. A lot of things going on right now are unconstitutional and not what are Founding Fathers had in mind

The first paragraph is not opinion. Republicans just want to believe that they lost the election because of race. They also want to believe that all it takes is a minority candidate to get on our good graces. You are right, their is no such thing as free healthcare. This debate is overaffordable healthcare. Taxes will have to go up regardless of who is President. There have been things going on this last decade that are not constitutional, don't understand why you have a problem with it now. People love to complain when they are not in power, and tell people to stop whining when they are.
 

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The first paragraph is not opinion. Republicans just want to believe that they lost the election because of race. They also want to believe that all it takes is a minority candidate to get on our good graces. You are right, their is no such thing as free healthcare. This debate is overaffordable healthcare. Taxes will have to go up regardless of who is President. There have been things going on this last decade that are not constitutional, don't understand why you have a problem with it now. People love to complain when they are not in power, and tell people to stop whining when they are.

I say Obama won the minority vote NOT because of the Black vote Jason. He carried Hispanics. And if you're calling me ignorant, you have to realize that the White vote is quickly becoming a minority with the number of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and other minority vote total equaling more than 50% of the popular vote.

As for the whole, "first hand opinion" thing, I did the ground work for one of my former Poly Sci professors as an independent study. Sitting at a polling booth in downtown Indy, I ran an exit poll. Of the THOUSANDS of people I talked to, only THREE African Americans did not vote for Obama. The historical significance of his running for President brought Blacks to the polls in RECORD numbers. Your point on policies is an interesting one, but you CANNOT toss out the entire race issue. That would be ignorant.
 

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this is just such an ignorant comment if you supported Obama considering she had more experience than he did before the election

It's not the experience, it's the lack of common sense and hardly being able to put together a coherent thought. Why did she resign? I tried watching the video, and its her babbling about basketball.

YouTube - Sarah Palin Resigns as Alaska Governor - Video 7/3/09

I'm not overly impressed with Broccoli Obama, but listening to her gives me a headache. If you think she is worthy of being the leader of the free world, you are brainwashed.
 
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I guess the one thing that bothers me about this whole world in general is that people have gotten in the habit of complaining about the way things are, and the plans people have (the people who actually have the initiative to DO SOMETHING about the problems) to try to fix things - or at least make things better.

But never once (or hardly ever) do they offer up a viable alternative. They just sit around complaining about the way things are and all the ways they're going to be inconvenienced. We're not going to get out of this economic mess without us being inconvenienced somehow - it's just a case of "pick your poison".

...just my thought. Please continue.
 

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I say Obama won the minority vote NOT because of the Black vote Jason. He carried Hispanics. And if you're calling me ignorant, you have to realize that the White vote is quickly becoming a minority with the number of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and other minority vote total equaling more than 50% of the popular vote.

Never called anyone on here ignorant. I was questioning the idea of a persons race being the sole deciding factor for why he got their votes. The idea that by mearly nominating Palin or Jindal, the Republican party will win them the minority vote. That ideology is ignorant. My original argument is that politicians need to stop looking at women and people of color as demographics, and start treating us like people. If you want to make this argument about race, we can, but i would rather not. As for Whites becoming a minority. According to the last US census, Whites make up 70% of the population, the second closest is Latino/ Hispanic at 13%. Minority is not equated to population, but power. This country is run by white males (except currently). Women make up over 54% of the population, yetare still minorities because they are still fighting for equality.
 

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It's not the experience, it's the lack of common sense and hardly being able to put together a coherent thought. Why did she resign? I tried watching the video, and its her babbling about basketball.

YouTube - Sarah Palin Resigns as Alaska Governor - Video 7/3/09

I'm not overly impressed with Broccoli Obama, but listening to her gives me a headache. If you think she is worthy of being the leader of the free world, you are brainwashed.

Yes!!!! Broccoli Obama!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Palin is sounding and looking a bit punch drunk. That's not to say I won't support her if she is the GOP nomination in '12, but I think the election, continued media scrutiny, and just flat out day to day challenges of being a parent (and the parent of a special needs toddler no less) has taken its toll on her. She responded in a way I do not necessarily condone, but who am I to question her motive at this point.
 

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I guess the one thing that bothers me about this whole world in general is that people have gotten in the habit of complaining about the way things are, and the plans people have (the people who actually have the initiative to DO SOMETHING about the problems) to try to fix things - or at least make things better.

But never once (or hardly ever) do they offer up a viable alternative. They just sit around complaining about the way things are and all the ways they're going to be inconvenienced. We're not going to get out of this economic mess without us being inconvenienced somehow - it's just a case of "pick your poison".

...just my thought. Please continue.

Who or whom are those with the initiative to do something about the problems? Looks to me simply an attempt to push an agenda.

I'm not worried about how I will be inconvenienced. It's my children. And their children. Etc. That is why I choose to complain. I don't have the viable alternative. Free market economy worked for me.
 

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I'm not worried about how I will be inconvenienced. It's my children. And their children. Etc. That is why I choose to complain. I don't have the viable alternative. Free market economy worked for me.

You can blaim Bush for how your Children and Grandchildren will be inconvenienced. He gave us a trillion dollar defecit. Never had a free market either. market based economy, yes, free market, never. You also have many viable options, you can protest, petition, write or call your congressman. You can also vote for a new congress in a year and a half, and vote out the Obama in 2012.
 

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Yes!!!! Broccoli Obama!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Palin is sounding and looking a bit punch drunk. That's not to say I won't support her if she is the GOP nomination in '12, but I think the election, continued media scrutiny, and just flat out day to day challenges of being a parent (and the parent of a special needs toddler no less) has taken its toll on her. She responded in a way I do not necessarily condone, but who am I to question her motive at this point.

All you can do is look at each person (candidate) rationally, and make your own decisions from there. I can't say that I will vote for Broccoli next time, its too early to tell. I just see Palin and think that there HAS to be a better leader. I agree with quite a bit of the Republican ideals, but not religion based, since the entire nations issues are much larger than religion. The line has been drawn in the proverbial sand between the born again fundies and everyone else. The GOP has embraced the fundamental christians, but the intolerance and thought that any other school of thought is automatically wrong is too polarizing. Religion is fine and great, but it should be left out of politics. As a Catholic, I agree with some of the conservative agenda, but I think the good of the nation should be put above individual religious beliefs. This said, I'm drunk and I want my vbucks back. (free ecomomy?)
 

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You can blaim Bush for how your Children and Grandchildren will be inconvenienced. He gave us a trillion dollar defecit. .

I seriously think you have been brainwashed by the media and Obama. The budget deficit when Bush left was 482 billion dollars. Since Obama has been in power, it is a 3.8 Trillion dollar deficit. You can't keep blaming Bush for everything buddy. The media blames it completely on Bush. How? he is not in office anymore, its Obama now buddy.

heres some things to think about(and this is as of April 24, it is worse now)

President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008. President Obama would add another $1 trillion.

President Bush began a string of expensive finan*cial bailouts. President Obama is accelerating that course.

President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle*ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade. President Obama has proposed a $634 billion down payment on a new govern*ment health care fund.

President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi*dent Obama would double it.

President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has already in*creased this spending by 20 percent.

President Bush tilted the income tax burden more toward upper-income taxpayers. President Obama would continue that trend.

President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.
 

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I seriously think you have been brainwashed by the media and Obama. The budget deficit when Bush left was 482 billion dollars. Since Obama has been in power, it is a 3.8 Trillion dollar deficit. You can't keep blaming Bush for everything buddy. The media blames it completely on Bush. How? he is not in office anymore, its Obama now buddy.

heres some things to think about(and this is as of April 24, it is worse now)

President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008. President Obama would add another $1 trillion.

President Bush began a string of expensive finan*cial bailouts. President Obama is accelerating that course.

President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle*ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade. President Obama has proposed a $634 billion down payment on a new govern*ment health care fund.

President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi*dent Obama would double it.

President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has already in*creased this spending by 20 percent.

President Bush tilted the income tax burden more toward upper-income taxpayers. President Obama would continue that trend.

President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.

You beat me to it. The liberal media made Bush look like Golum mixed with Bambi mixed with Beelzebub. I was going to point out all of these facts.
 

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The idea of universal healthcare is that every American citizen should have acces to afordable healthcare. The idea that healthcare is a right not a priveledge. The question is how do you provide for it. You have the Canadien example, the Dutch system, and so on. The biggest beef people seem to have with the current healthcare system is the price and coveredge. If a 12 year old boy with medical insurance is denied cancer treatment, that is a problem. If a family can not afford coveredge, and their job does not provide health care, that is a problem. If a business can no longer afford to provide medical for their employees, and is forced to either cut coveredge or jobs, that is a problem. The biggest opponent for a new healthcare bill are the insurance companies, who will lose out. The idea of universal healthcare is a lie, no plan will cover everyone unless it is entirely government run. There are several models out there for the US to use as an example of how to provide better, and more affordable healthcare. the bigger question is why is the United States the only major country without a plan in place, other than its a free market.
The first major problem with health care is cost. When medical cost rise every year by 10% or greater while inflation is below 3%-there is a problem.
When doctors will schedule many unneccessary tests for patients because they are afraid of missing something and get their asses sued-there is a problem. I know this is true because my wife works with doctors who do this.
I could go on; but, first and foremost, they should deal with the cost issue. There should be a commission to look into health care cost issues before scraping anything else.
We are in a recession, yet, my wife works in one of the biggest hospitals in Massachusetts and there is constant constuction going on. They are always adding new buildings and such while private companies in the area are laying people off. Who is paying for all this?
 

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I'm not sure if universal health care is the answer, but there has to be something better than the way it currently is. I hate health insurance companies with a passion.
 

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dude 98% of African Americans voted for Obama. I dont care what you say, but if he was a republican 98% of African Americans would still have voted. Hey, I can't say I wouldn't either if I African American. It was truely a historic event that happenned. You are completely wrong that Obama would be president if he was white because then he would be the same old thing of that party. He would not have even been on the ballet cuz Hillary would have beaten him...

TIME TO RANT

Why does everyone think universal healthcare is a good thing? It is such a bad thing, it would destroy our economy even more, and would be unfair. It is not universal. If I am a 75 year old cancer patient they will not give me care because they think I am gonna die soon anyway because I am 75. That is why the Cleveland Clinic is one of the largest medical clinics in America because universal healthcare in Canada has failed just how it will here if it is implemented. The Cleveland Clinic is almost entirely used by Canadians. Am I gonna have to go to Mexico now to get healthcare for my grandpa if this happens


Rant off.

Yeah he also got like 60% of the womens vote, college educated vote, large youth vote, and like 48% white male vote. Also, damn near 200 electoral advantage. I would say that is a universal beatdown.

You can argue differant points either way on healthcare. According to WHO we are 37th in the world on the level of healthcare. You will argue this ect. ect. The question is do you have a better plan?

Man I would hate to live like the Swed's. No wars, free healthcare, steady employment, able to bail out America, and of course an array of beautiful fit women.
 
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