'10 CA RB Cameron Roberson (Notre Dame Signee)

[jason_h537]

Running Back
Newbury Park (CA) Newbury Park

Ht: 6-1
Wt: 215
Forty: 4.55
Bench: 255
Squat: 380
Vertical: 33
GPA: 3.4

Stats
'08 1452 yds, 18 TD

Ranking
Rivals: , #14 RB, Rating 5.8
ESPN: , #39 RB, Grade 77
Scout: , #2 FB

Offers
Notre Dame (OV 9/05)
Arizona
BYU
Minnesota
Northwestern
Utah
Washington
Wyoming

ND Recruiter: Polian

Decision: Notre Dame 9/7/09

 

[jason_h537]

Surprised no one has opened a thread for this kid yet. Granpa went to Notre Dame. Big physical back with good speed. Ranked 199 on Rivals 250

 

[jason_h537]

Got visited by Polian today. This kid loves Notre Dame.. His top five are Washington, Northwestern, Arizona, BYU, and Notre Dame. The big key is that Notre Dame is the only school who has yet to offer.

 

[irish4ever]

Good speed, not great. Looks to be a plan 'B' recruit for the Irish, huh?

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

FB?

 

[BGIF]

FB?

Maybe, but I don't think so.

ND has offers at FB to:
Zwinak (who I don't think is interested)
Hayes Pullard ATH LB/FB 6-2 220 4.5, who is "intrigued" apparently the others are recruiting him at LB.

ND has RB offers out to:
Bernard (ND should get an Official)
James (ND to get Official)
Jones (Rivals #3 RB, ND in the game)
Hill (a Joey Getherall type, Slot Back not RB)
Barr (wants RB but coaches see him, 6-4 230, eating his way to Defense DE/LB)
Lattimore (no interest)
Dyer (BGI just dropped him from their Master List)
Miller (little or no interest)

Whittling through that list leaves James and Bernard as the most viable RB candidates. Robinson looks like #3 on that list should he get an offer.

If Weis actually used the FB in his offense I'd love to see Barr there. I'm thinking "The Bus"!

 

[jason_h537]

James is the only real RB candidate in this list. Weis does want to use a fullback, remember Powers-Neal. Unfortunately Schwaap just didnt have the skill set for Weis to use. If we do get a athletric FB you will see another weapon on the field. Roberson is a plan b guy for ND, but don't be fooled, he is a hell of a player.

 

[BGIF]

... Weis does want to use a fullback, remember Powers-Neal.

Does Weis really want to use a fullback?

I remember Powers-Neal and I remember his being used inside the 5 on the goal line offense. Do you remember seeing him between the 20's? How many times?

... Unfortunately Schwaap just didnt have the skill set for Weis to use. If we do get a athletric FB you will see another weapon on the field. ...

No Schwaap didn't (particularly after the injury) but Weis has been here for 4 seasons and 5 recruiting classes. Shouldn't he have recognized Schwapp's limitations and more importantly after the injury shouldn't he have recruited a replacement.

FB is the least important position in a Weis offense.

 

[jason_h537]

I didnt say it was. Im saying if he had a good athletic fullback, he would use him. Thats another redzone threat, that he has used.

 

[BGIF]

I didnt say it was. Im saying if he had a good athletic fullback, he would use him. Thats another redzone threat, that he has used.

No, not a red zone threat. A goal line threat. That reduces the number of touches considerably.

So how is Charlie supposed to get "a good athletic fullback", when he hasn't in 5 classes? Tell him, he's going to "pound the ball" next year. That line has no credibiillty with Charlie, does it?

Think about this. You're a talented HS FB like Zwinak, you can come to ND and be a goal line specialist or you can go to dozens of other schools and get a couple 100 carries a season. Small wonder for 5 years they chosen to go elsewhere.

 

[jason_h537]

thatsbecause we dont lie to players like Pullard and say your gonna play LB only to move them once on campus. There's a reason Weis keeps trying toget a FB each recruiting class, thats because he has plans to use one. If not he would just lose the position like most schools have already.

 

[BGIF]

... There's a reason Weis keeps trying toget a FB each recruiting class, thats because he has plans to use one. ...

A FB every class. Hmmm, I just looked back through some recruiting lists and find almost a complete absence of FB. Instead of glittering generalities how about providing some substance and list all those FBs he recruited.

'09
'08
'07
'06
'05

 

[jason_h537]

keeps trying toget a FB each recruiting class

Dont Fox News my quotes.

He got Luke Schmidt in his first true class. Is recruiting Zwinack and Pullard this year.
Not to mention how hardthey weregoing after Tyler Gaffney and Toben Operum last year

 

[BGIF]

Dont Fox News my quotes.

It was very Keith Olberman of you to ignore issues and focus on an accusation trying to change the topic. I'm not sure what "Don't Fox News my quotes" means but considering your political bent I'll take it you mean not letting you off the hook when you dodge the question or change the subject to avoid answering. Like when I posted "goal line" offense and you transferred that into "red zone" offense in your response. Or when I asked you about Powers-Neal being notused between the 20's and you dodged that.

He got Luke Schmidt in his first true class.

Schwapp ,a 2 Star FB on Rivals and 88th RB on Scout, was recruited by Tyrone in the Class of '05. 2005 was his first class. He came in late but by HIS own choice he chose to work considerably less than half time to recuit that year. I was always curious why even with a late start Charlie didn't get any RBs in that class particularly as you put Schwapp didn't have the necessary skill set.

Now Schmidt was truly a FB. Not some RB being bulked up nor a LB converting positions. A true FB, Rivals #4.

How come he didn't beat out the guy without the skill set? Particularly after Schwapp's knee injury. Weis with a team deficient at FB took the #4 FB and converted him to TE? Talk about lack of development, wow! It's logic like starting an ineffective Schwapp, that got other FBs to look elsewhere. I'm interested in hearing your perspective on why the guy without the ability to block, or run for even a yard, with a major injury continued to start?

In '07 got Allen and Hughes but did not pursue a FB, did ND? I thought Hughes was a solid FB candidate. Even thought he said he would not play FB, if you saw a video and watched him lower his shoulder or watched him crush a 180 lb HS LB, he had FB written all over him. Then he got to Div I and LB weighs 240 and suddenly he wanted to run for daylight. A power runner that saw himself as a dancing, corner turning TB. Nope he wasn't FB material after all.

I didn't find any FB's recruited in '08, did you?

In '09 Gaffney and Opurum were on the list but not by much.

Is recruiting Zwinack and Pullard this year.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Zwinak doesn't seem interested in ND at all. Why would he if he wants to play FB? and Pullard is the LB every body else is recruiting at LB but ND is trying to intrigue as a FB. sigh.

Not to mention how hardthey weregoing after Tyler Gaffney and Toben Operum last year

Hard or hardly? ND dropped Gaffney, lest we forget, then went back after him against and he chose Stanford, hardly known as "FB U", are they. Meanwhile ND got on Opurum late as an afterthought. He chose KU, another "FB powerhouse", right?




All those names you found in 5 recruiting classes. One signee who he converted to a TE. Thank you for confirming how serious Charlie is about a quality FB in his offense.

Q.E.D.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Maybe, but I don't think so.

ND has offers at FB to:
Zwinak (who I don't think is interested)
Hayes Pullard ATH LB/FB 6-2 220 4.5, who is "intrigued" apparently the others are recruiting him at LB.

ND has RB offers out to:
Bernard (ND should get an Official)
James (ND to get Official)
Hill (a Joey Getherall type, Slot Back not RB)
Barr (wants RB but coaches see him, 6-4 230, eating his way to Defense DE/LB)
Lattimore (no interest)
Dyer (BGI just dropped him from their Master List)
Miller (little or no interest)

Whittling through that list leaves James and Bernard as the most viable RB candidates. Robinson looks like #3 on that list should he get an offer.

If Weis actually used the FB in his offense I'd love to see Barr there. I'm thinking "The Bus"!

What about Malcolm Jones? Should we kiss him goodbye to USC?

 

[Irishlew]

Now Schmidt was truly a FB. Not some RB being bulked up nor a LB converting positions. A true FB, Rivals #4.

no he wasn't. He was a HB in H.S and was to be converted to FB when he came to ND. Injuries ruined his career.

2004 (Jr.) 328 carries ~ 2,592 yards ~ 7.9 ypc ~ 41 TD
2005 (sr.) 313 carries ~ 2,239 yards ~ 7.2 ypc ~ 32 TD

was an Indiana Mr Football runner up and Gatorade Player of the Year in Indiana for 2005.

 

[BGIF]

What about Malcolm Jones? Should we kiss him goodbye to USC?

No, we shouldn't. I'd love to have him at RB or at OLB. Personally I'm doubtful that he leaves the West Coast be it USC(brother), UCLA, SU OR UW where his teammate Montana just verballed and another teammate OT Kohler (holds an ND offer) is strongly looking. Scout's #3 RB and Rivals #7 ATH (RB/OLB).

I didn't leave him off the list intentionally. I inadvertently deleted him from my recruiting list. I didn't check the services when I put the post together just my list.

Mea culpa. Thanks IHMM for the catch. I've edited the original post below to include Jones.

 

[BGIF]

no he wasn't. He was a HB in H.S and was to be converted to FB when he came to ND. Injuries ruined his career.

2004 (Jr.) 328 carries ~ 2,592 yards ~ 7.9 ypc ~ 41 TD
2005 (sr.) 313 carries ~ 2,239 yards ~ 7.2 ypc ~ 32 TD

was an Indiana Mr Football runner up and Gatorade Player of the Year in Indiana for 2005.

I had similar recollections but before posting I checked Rivals and they listed him as the #4 FB.

Rivals.com Prospect Rankings

Luke Schmidt Profile - Football Recruiting

Rivals articles sometimes called him a RB sometimes a FB. In June '05 Crabtree noted:

Athlete Luke Schmidt of Jasper, Ind., is the No. 3 player in the state and just like Aldridge he's heading to South Bend. Schmidt could project at a number of positions, but most programs recruited him to play H-back or fullback.

Scout had him as a 4 Star #26 RB but in his Profile also had him listed as a FB.

If I recall correctly Schmidt saw himself as a Mike Alstott type runner, a running FB.

I'm willing to make Schmidt a FB recruit for this discussion.

IrishLew, if you take Schmidt off of Weis's All-Time FB recruiting Lst and jason doesn't want Schwapp on it because he wasn't very good and Weis didn't have a full year to look around, it leaves Charlie with no FB recruits in 5 classes.

Strikes me that either Charlie doesn't put much priority into recruiting FBs or potential FBs don't like the way the role is utilized at ND.

 

[OCIrish]

BGIF, I'll do you a favor, Schmidt was never a FB, and was never going to make it as a FB. He played TB in HS, and like Schwapp, never made the conversion to FB @ ND. Look, trying to take TB's and make them bonafide FB's is a tall order. If they never blocked in HS, then they aren't going to know where to look for the LB scraping the hole. I had an argument with a poster over on BGI about the same topic, just different players. He proposed making Hughes a FB, and I told him it would never work. Hughes was a feature back in HS, and when he got to ND, he is still a feature back. We need to recruit a Marc Edwards, or Tom Lopienski, guys who played some FB in HS, who know how to lead block first, and worry about carrying the ball dead last. As for Weis and his ability to recruit FB's, it hasn't panned out for him.

 

[jason_h537]

A FB every class.

thats what Fox News my quote means. I said tried to get a FB, You just paraphrased what i said to make my point. The reason Luke Scmidt didnt beat out Schwaap was due tp injury, and was later moved to TE due to our lacking depth. Unfortunately Schmidts injuries no longer aloow him to play. Gaffney was getting recruited hard by Notre Dame, i dont remember us dropping him at all. Operum was a late pick up because the Irish wanted a Fullback, and thought they could possibly get him just in case Gaffney picked Stanford (who promised him he would play TailBack). If Weis had no interest in utilizing a FB he wouldnt bother with any of these guys, and certianly wouldnt have moved Aldridge.

 

[BGIF]

thats what Fox News my quote means. I said tried to get a FB, You just paraphrased what i said to make my point. The reason Luke Scmidt didnt beat out Schwaap was due tp injury, and was later moved to TE due to our lacking depth. Unfortunately Schmidts injuries no longer aloow him to play. Gaffney was getting recruited hard by Notre Dame, i dont remember us dropping him at all. Operum was a late pick up because the Irish wanted a Fullback, and thought they could possibly get him just in case Gaffney picked Stanford (who promised him he would play TailBack). If Weis had no interest in utilizing a FB he wouldnt bother with any of these guys, and certianly wouldnt have moved Aldridge.

Here's your quote:
Originally Posted by jason_h537
... There's a reason Weis keeps trying toget a FB each recruiting class, thats because he has plans to use one. ...

Pardon my saying every class. Now are you going to tell me to define, "is"?

Please explain how "every class" changes the meaning of your "each class" sentence.

I listed the classes by year in that post and asked you to fill in who he had recruited. You didn't. Instead you posted a couple of names over a 5 year period. That isn't each recruiting class now is it.

I did go back and look year by year. Weis did not try to get a FB in each recruiting class.

Irishlew and OCIrish even whittled down the list I came up with. See their comments. Are we all wrong?

I'm aware Schmidt's career was terminated by head injuries. I'm also aware Schwapp had a season ending knee injury and qualified for 5th year due to that injury. Think about that faced with the only two scholarship players at FB, both with injury problems why didn't Weis recruit that position more aggressively?

And yes, ND did drop Gaffney. Polian did it because he felt Gaffney would not play FB. They went back after him after an interview appeared in which Gaffney said he perferred TB but was willing to consider FB. Go pull up his profile. The intro is still there. Whether or not your aware of it, it happened as did the rest of the details documented in my posts.

ND has had no goal line offense for several years. ND has had no short run offense for several years. Weis my be planning to use a FB but he is not using a FB.

 

[jason_h537]

see, you did it again. I said TRYING to get a fb each class.

A FB every class. Hmmm, I just looked back through some recruiting lists and find almost a complete absence of FB. Instead of glittering generalities how about providing some substance and list all those FBs he recruited.

I didnt say they got a FB each class, i said TRIED. Weis has TRIED to recruit a solid athletic FB. They TRIED and succeeded in his first true class (By that i mean a class recruited entirely by Weis and his staff, not started by Ty and finished by Weis in 05). Is TRYING this year. TRIED last year.

 

[jason_h537]

BGIF, I'll do you a favor, Schmidt was never a FB, and was never going to make it as a FB. He played TB in HS, and like Schwapp, never made the conversion to FB @ ND. Look, trying to take TB's and make them bonafide FB's is a tall order. If they never blocked in HS, then they aren't going to know where to look for the LB scraping the hole. I had an argument with a poster over on BGI about the same topic, just different players. He proposed making Hughes a FB, and I told him it would never work. Hughes was a feature back in HS, and when he got to ND, he is still a feature back. We need to recruit a Marc Edwards, or Tom Lopienski, guys who played some FB in HS, who know how to lead block first, and worry about carrying the ball dead last. As for Weis and his ability to recruit FB's, it hasn't panned out for him.

Yeah but when recruiting a FB you only have three options.
1) recruit a true FB. How many HS teamd use FB's any more, and of those still out there howmany can play at the d1 level
2) Convert a TB. You have already stated the problems with that
3) Recruit an athlete and convert him to FB. Most athletes can play several positions that are more glorious than FB.

The sad truth is the Marc Edwards of the worlds are few and far between now a days

 

[Mjrosko]

Does Weis really want to use a fullback?

I remember Powers-Neal and I remember his being used inside the 5 on the goal line offense. Do you remember seeing him between the 20's? How many times?
.

Wrong. Weis would use a fullback if he had a capable one. I went back and looked at the play by play of the Pittsburgh, Michigan, Washington and Purdue games from 2005. Here's the ones I recorded.

Pittsburgh game. Touches from the: 19, 2, Own 41 (catch), 18, 9, Own 36 , 25, 23 and 4.

Michigan game. Touches from the: 5, Own 5 (catch), Own 14, Own 19, Own 20, 35 and 31.

Washington game. Touches from the: Own 27 ,50, 7, Own 20, Own 34, 24, 31, 2, 26, 19, 12, 11.

Purdue game. Touches from the: 1, Own 46 (catch), 1, 1, 1, 33, 11, Own 20 (catch), 39, 25.

He is used so much more extensively then 'just inside the 20s'. He is used so much more than just as a goal line back.

If Weis had an athletic fullback like RPN, he would be used!

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

If I were Cameron Roberson or one of his parents reading this thread I'd be disgusted. Sounds like 2 5th graders bickering over who has the cooler gym shoes. Get back to the kid

 

[BGIF]

Wrong. Weis would use a fullback if he had a capable one. I went back and looked at the play by play of the Pittsburgh, Michigan, Washington and Purdue games from 2005. Here's the ones I recorded.

Pittsburgh game. Touches from the: 19, 2, Own 41 (catch), 18, 9, Own 36 , 25, 23 and 4.

Michigan game. Touches from the: 5, Own 5 (catch), Own 14, Own 19, Own 20, 35 and 31.

Washington game. Touches from the: Own 27 ,50, 7, Own 20, Own 34, 24, 31, 2, 26, 19, 12, 11.

Purdue game. Touches from the: 1, Own 46 (catch), 1, 1, 1, 33, 11, Own 20 (catch), 39, 25.

He is used so much more extensively then 'just inside the 20s'. He is used so much more than just as a goal line back.

If Weis had an athletic fullback like RPN, he would be used!

Thanks for the research. Reps.

Now why hasn't Weis gotten an athletic FB like RPN in 5 tries?

 

[BGIF]

If I were Cameron Roberson or one of his parents reading this thread I'd be disgusted. Sounds like 2 5th graders bickering over who has the cooler gym shoes. Get back to the kid

I have no doubt if Cameron Roberson or his parents were reading this thread they'd have the reading skills to comprehend the discussion wasn't about a recruit.The discussion was about RB recruits and evolved into how the FB is utilized or not in the current ND offense. And further about ND's success or lack of success in recruiting FBs.

If I were Cameron Roberson and realizing that I don't have an offer yet AND if I really wanted to come to ND I'd be trying to figure out how I could make myself valuable to the team. Is there a need I can fill. Does ND need an RB, or do they need a FB, or both? Where do I fit? How do they see me in the offense?

If I didn't have the '05 games like Mjrosko has to look at (BGIF's '05 games were on the DVR that died two weeks ago) all I might know about a Weis FB would be seeing Schwapp the 3 seasons if I was watching an ND game. As I'm a California kid I probably wasn't but might have caught the USC ND games which made me wonder if there was an running game anymore. (This kid's starting to sound like a perceptive ND fan, isn't he?). My coach got the rushing game stats from the ND website archives. Wow, the FB gets about 6 carries a year. I'm not sure I want to go somewhere to be the 6th linemen on the field. I don't mind blocking. Actually I like to blitz the blitzers. They never know what it them until see the game tape. I've got great hands. I run crisp routes. I can carry the rock on 1st and 10 or 4th and 1. Or I can suck the LB out of position on a fake so the ball carrier scores.

You coach Weis, I'm the same height weight and speed as James Aldridge when he signed with ND. And Thank GOd I've still got two injury free knees. To you plan on converting me to a FB like you've just done with him or will I be a RB?

You know Coach I saw Jerome Bettis play in the NFL and I understand he was an outstanding all around FB when he played at ND. Will you utilize me like Bettis at ND or like Schwapp?

I hope you understand my concerns Coach, I don't care what colors the gym shoes are here. I do care that they fit. They have to, for the 4 years.

-30-​

Leppy, I have no doubt that jason has cooler gym shoes than I do. Mine are like Ara's. But as he and I enjoy discussing the varied aspects of the football and the differences as we see them, we'll leave the footwear evaluations to you. And if you have any information on Cameron or any other recruit why don't you share it?

 

[jason_h537]

I rock chucks

 

[WabashFalcon]

Here's to you Mr. Roberson...

 

[BGIF]

Here's To You, Mr. Roberson[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]©[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]©Lyrics by BGIF inpired by the WabashMuse
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
[/FONT][/FONT]
And here's to you, Mr. Roberson
Jesus mom loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mr. Roberson
South Bend holds a place for those who play
(Hall of Fame ... hey, hey, hey)

We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files
We'd like to help you learn to help yourself
Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes
Stroll around the campus 'til you feel at home

And here's to you, Mr. Roberson
Jesus mom loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mr. Roberson
South Bend holds a place for those who play
(Hall of Fame ... hey, hey, hey)

Hide it in a hiding place where no one ever goes
Does he carry the rock or throw a block
It's a little secret, just the Robersons' affair
Most of all, you've got to hide it from the fans

Coo, coo, ca-choo, Mr Roberson
Jesus mom loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mr. Roberson
South Bend holds a place for those who play
(Hall Of Fame ... hey, hey, hey)

Sitting on a sofa on a LaFortune afternoon
Going to the Monologues debate
Laugh about it, shout about it
When you've got to choose
USC or BYU, you lose

Where have you gone, Brady Quinn
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you (Woo, woo, woo)
What's that you say, Mr. Roberson
Mighty Quinn has left and gone away
(Hall of Fame ... hey, hey, hey)