'10 MN OL Seantrel Henderson (Miami Commit)

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Hey BGIF, not trying to be an ass but the quote from seantrel is paraphrased. "loved..... more than any other college I have been to so far." Jw what else he said about the visit, or is that really what he said, "I loved the Michigan visit more than any other college i have seen so far."? Jw thanks for the info though as always.

Not trying to be an ass either but I don't think "paraphrased" is the correct term for what the writer did. He didn't paraphrase, that is, he didn't rephrase in his own words what Henderson said. I believe he used "elliptical construction" and shortened what Henderson said to fit his piece. The writer apparently deleted words, or sentences from a longer Henderson quotation, using the ellipsis to indicate his deletion. Something like, (my words follow as an example) "The campus was great. I loved everything about the visit, the building, The Big House, and so on. I saw more there than anywhere else more than any other college I have been to so far."



I confess, my "Say it ain't so" statement was facetious.

I would have preferred to think the conversation was something more along the lines of:

"I loved the opportunity to visit another campus that offered me a scholarship. Michigan has a really big stadium and they tell me they fill it for every game. They didn't tell me how many left early last time Appalachian State was there. Their helmets are quite distinctive or would be had they not copied them from that Ivy League school. They told me how they "own" Notre Dame" having a 20-15-1 record since they taught the Irish how to play the game. They didn't mention that 2 of the first 8 wins took place on the same weekend back when Grover Cleveland was President. They probably forgot to mention that they're 12-14-1 against the Irish since the Touchdown was changed from 5 points to 6 back before World War I. Coach Rod spent a lot of time with me explaining his offensive philosophy. Now I have a solid grasp of the reasons behind all the transfers and fumbles, and why Toledo won. Before my visit I never understood why people said, 'Ann Arbor is a whore.' Considering it all I loved it more than any other college I have been to so far - all four of them."
 

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Not trying to be an ass either but I don't think "paraphrased" is the correct term for what the writer did. He didn't paraphrase, that is, he didn't rephrase in his own words what Henderson said. I believe he used "elliptical construction" and shortened what Henderson said to fit his piece. The writer apparently deleted words, or sentences from a longer Henderson quotation, using the ellipsis to indicate his deletion. Something like, (my words follow as an example) "The campus was great. I loved everything about the visit, the building, The Big House, and so on. I saw more there than anywhere else more than any other college I have been to so far."



I confess, my "Say it ain't so" statement was facetious.

I would have preferred to think the conversation was something more along the lines of:

"I loved the opportunity to visit another campus that offered me a scholarship. Michigan has a really big stadium and they tell me they fill it for every game. They didn't tell me how many left early last time Appalachian State was there. Their helmets are quite distinctive or would be had they not copied them from that Ivy League school. They told me how they "own" Notre Dame" having a 20-15-1 record since they taught the Irish how to play the game. They didn't mention that 2 of the first 8 wins took place on the same weekend back when Grover Cleveland was President. They probably forgot to mention that they're 12-14-1 against the Irish since the Touchdown was changed from 5 points to 6 back before World War I. Coach Rod spent a lot of time with me explaining his offensive philosophy. Now I have a solid grasp of the reasons behind all the transfers and fumbles, and why Toledo won. Before my visit I never understood why people said, 'Ann Arbor is a whore.' Considering it all I loved it more than any other college I have been to so far - all four of them."

Lol yea thats what i meant, an elliptical illusion or whatever it is called. And that would be sweet if thats what Seantrel said.
 

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how many times have we heard that crap though. i want to go to a school where they graduate most of thier athletes and set good examples for the youth. i signed with fsu/uf/usc. its old. he seems to be a different kid but i dont know. hopefully he looks into it more than the other kids who have said the same things.
 

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how many times have we heard that crap though. i want to go to a school where they graduate most of thier athletes and set good examples for the youth. i signed with fsu/uf/usc. its old. he seems to be a different kid but i dont know. hopefully he looks into it more than the other kids who have said the same things.

I know what you're saying, but guess what, our roster is full of kids who said the EXACT same thing. It's old when they say it and don't mean it, yes, but there are also 85 scholarship athletes on the ND roster that really do care about athletics. So, not every kid is just blowing smoke. Some of them (like Ethan Johnson) really do mean it...
 

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how many times have we heard that crap though. i want to go to a school where they graduate most of thier athletes and set good examples for the youth. i signed with fsu/uf/usc. its old. he seems to be a different kid but i dont know. hopefully he looks into it more than the other kids who have said the same things.

I think you'll find a lot of those prospects that utter the prefunctory education first line didn't have the HS academic record to back it up. I chuckle every time I read about a kid with a 2.1 gpa and "awaiting results of ACT/SAT retake" declaring his interest in a school with a good engineering or medical program.

Myron Rolle said education was important. He had a good academic record but we scoffed when he opted for Free Shoes U. Now despite Bobby Bowden sweating out the NCAA ruling which may result in 14 forfeits for a cheating scandal, Myron Rolle is a Rhodes Scholar. The same award won Bill Bradley at Princeton. There's also a USC QB named Pat Haden that won that award. The same Pat Haden that came from a California Catholic pipeline school and told Ara, "No thank you, sir".

And before anybody extrapolates Rolle as an indicator of FSU football player academcic standards, let's clarify he's the exception, not the rule.

I track grades and tests score of recruits (via the recruiting services) trying to determine which ones are ND material and if ND is being hard or lenient with admissions. I get skeptical when thre is no information or more so when a HS kid starts an interview expressing his keen interest in kinesiology.

I don't have any grades/test scores listed for Henderson. So there's no indicator there. He does come from a HS with a good track record, he appears to be doing diligence on college evaluation, and he's expressed interest in a major where ND excels.
 

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I think you'll find a lot of those prospects that utter the prefunctory education first line didn't have the HS academic record to back it up. I chuckle every time I read about a kid with a 2.1 gpa and "awaiting results of ACT/SAT retake" declaring his interest in a school with a good engineering or medical program.

Myron Rolle said education was important. He had a good academic record but we scoffed when he opted for Free Shoes U. Now despite Bobby Bowden sweating out the NCAA ruling which may result in 14 forfeits for a cheating scandal, Myron Rolle is a Rhodes Scholar. The same award won Bill Bradley at Princeton. There's also a USC QB named Pat Haden that won that award. The same Pat Haden that came from a California Catholic pipeline school and told Ara, "No thank you, sir".

And before anybody extrapolates Rolle as an indicator of FSU football player academcic standards, let's clarify he's the exception, not the rule.

I track grades and tests score of recruits (via the recruiting services) trying to determine which ones are ND material and if ND is being hard or lenient with admissions. I get skeptical when thre is no information or more so when a HS kid starts an interview expressing his keen interest in kinesiology.

I don't have any grades/test scores listed for Henderson. So there's no indicator there. He does come from a HS with a good track record, he appears to be doing diligence on college evaluation, and he's expressed interest in a major where ND excels.

Yeah, I know all about this. Tallahassee is SO Proud of Rolle being a Rhodes Scholar that when I ask about him, the first mention how smart he is. They sell shirts at Publix grocery stores mentioning his Rhodes Scholarship. When I ask how good of a player he is (I really try as hard as possible to not pay attention to FSU games), they say he is a horrible player, although I don't know why when the experts call him a first round pick.
 

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... Tallahassee is SO Proud of Rolle being a Rhodes Scholar ...


They have to be proud. He's the basis of FSU's appeal to the NCAA. Haven't you heard Bobby's Bowden's NCAA pitch:

"So what if 60 FSU athletes got caught cheatin', they didn't mean it. They were just bumfuzzled.

You have to look at the big picture. We have a Roads Scholar! A Roads Scholar!

Dagnabit, Notre Dame doesn't. The closest they got is a Roads Annoucer that does home games.

Heck, how can you punish FSU for academic behavior? Bo Jackson won the Heisman at Auburn. Did you know his real name was Bob but he had trouble spelling long words so Pat Dye nicknamed him Bo. You didn't punish them!

Did I mention we have a Rhodes Scholar.

We rest our case."
 

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Yeah dude. I heard the reason over the academic suspensions was that some grad assistant just left the answers up on the projector for the music class (that is the class they were accused of cheating on). But of course I'm going to get spin from the Warchant guys.
 

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Screw it offer him a spot on the basketball team too. They aint winning a championship any time soon
 

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Well ND was pre-season ranked top 5 last year, so to have a baller like Seantrel would be huge. I mean ND still sucked and only got to the NIT, but they still had high expectations.
 

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I really, really don't want to post this because this will absolutely kill me for the rest of the recruiting cycle, but ESPN reported this today about Henderson:

He said, "Right now it is not official, but I like Minnesota, USC, UCLA, Michigan, Iowa, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida State, Florida and LSU. There are some other schools, but that would be my top choices right now."

Who wants to join me in drinking the poisoned punch?
 

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I really, really don't want to post this because this will absolutely kill me for the rest of the recruiting cycle, but ESPN reported this today about Henderson:

He said, "Right now it is not official, but I like Minnesota, USC, UCLA, Michigan, Iowa, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida State, Florida and LSU. There are some other schools, but that would be my top choices right now."

Who wants to join me in drinking the poisoned punch?


Jonestown
 

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This is just another example of Notre Dame fans assuming we were a lock with a kid for whatever reason

Sentreal goes to an Irish pipeline school so he is a lock
Hurst is from Indiana, hes a lock
Tailor Jones, Jordan Hicks, Kyle Prater, Anthoony Barr, and Nick Montana all have family at Notre Dame so they are locks

This hype was built by the fans not the recruits. If we win we will still have a top 10 or 5 class but the recruiting expectations were all assumed
 

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This is just another example of Notre Dame fans assuming we were a lock with a kid for whatever reason

Sentreal goes to an Irish pipeline school so he is a lock
Hurst is from Indiana, hes a lock
Tailor Jones, Jordan Hicks, Kyle Prater, Anthoony Barr, and Nick Montana all have family at Notre Dame so they are locks

This hype was built by the fans not the recruits. If we win we will still have a top 10 or 5 class but the recruiting expectations were all assumed

Expectations are always assumed that's why they're called expectations rather than results. Expectations are the leading casue of divorce. (No joke)

Contrary to your post I don't think many ND fans thought any of these recruits were a lock. Rather that ND enjoyed some advantage in the recruiting process through legacies or teammates.

Wasn't it the recruiting services driving for hits that beat the drum of legacies, teammates, "pipelines" will neglecting to mention the recruits own relationship with ND (rooting for ND, attending games, and such) or mentioning if the "pipeline" coach was still this kid's coach.

Hurst lives in Indiana but it's not were he was from, was it? His father had ties to an SEC program not ND's, and Hurst himself stated an interest in playing in the SEC. So he committed to UNC. So much for the SEC lock!

Henderson had commented in interviews about ND and Floyd and had mentioned camping this summer at ND (among several other places). ND had the same record then as they have today as all those interview were after the bowl games. So our record didn't change his mind. I for one was hopeful for Henderson (and Hurst but thought him much less likely) but never saw any statement of his that indicated ND was better than short list material. Now for reasons not explained ND doesn't make the Long Short List.

Tai-lor Jones flat out stated he was looking around regardless of where his parents went to school. ND was one of many. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't ND now 1A as he's is a soft verbal to SU and he is supposed to be taking an offical to ND? Considering ND's depth at WR, I was dubious that we'd get any top ranked WRs this year. I still am despite the interest.

Jordan Hicks has always mentioned OSU or UTX strongly, hasn't he? I don't ever recall reading ND was among the leaders but in the next tier of his interests.

Prater's tie to ND is a cousin. Prater is looking to be a 4 year starter. He's well aware of Floyd, Tate, et al on ND's depth chart. I'd bet his NFL career plan doesn't include wearing his cousin's jersey. Nice if it happens but not part of his plan.

Anthony Barr's got lots of blood ties but he's also expressed an interest in staying at RB. Does he agree his future is better served playing college ball at another position? Other college coaches are telling him he can play for them at RB. Does he go where he likes what he hears? I think ND is in a strong position with him but wouldn't call it a lock. Not at this point.

Nick Montana has a father's shadow he may not wish to walk in. Many people have commented on that - although he hasn't. I think that's a foolish concern if he has it. He could never play for the Niner's if that was the case. He also has a brother who's thunder he may not want to steal but then weren't they on the same HS team? Did he choose a different HS school so as not to impinge upon his brother?

Many of these kids may not care for the rigors of ND academics nor the rigors of ND's Res Life regardless that their father made it though. They may feel that the difference between them and Yeatman could only a point 0.02 blood alcohol level away. They could go to UF, FSU, USC and screw up and be one of the boys. Some of them may connect better with a position coach or a recruiter at a different college than with the ND counterpart, or like Toma follow a friend to a different place after making their own plans.

As in life, legacies and teammates get you an intro but they don't guarantee a job, a contract, or a LOI. And nowhere is that more true that ND.

A kid growing up in Texas who's dad played for the Horns is more likely to follow those footsteps as dad stayed INSTATE, played INSTATE, made his home INSTATE, and the kid grew up INSTATE. Friends, teachers, counselors, classmates will predominately come from and stay INSTATE. A kid that graduates from Texas is more likely to make his home in Texas. An kid from Texas who goes to ND is more than likely to find a job somewhere other than Texas.

I think quite a few ND fans were hopeful that the familarity some of these kids had with ND would help carry the day. I don't think many people though these kids were locks ND if they actually read what these kids said in interviews rather than what an ND interviewer wrote about the kid.

I'm disappointed but not astounded. Arrelious Benn astounded me. Somebody else hustled, planted a seed, and nutured it while ND took him for granted. The only locks have signed contracts on LOI day. And even there for than once somebody broke the lock.

Sure hope Henderson has a change of heart.

If not on to the next offer.
 

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Seantrel has not made an OFFICIAL top ten yet. He doesnt mention ND, but that doesnt mean we are off the list because he hasnt made it yet. Read a nice article on him from scout, link below. Again, he has NOT made an OFFICIAL top ten yet. When he does, the staff will still recruit him no matter what and go from there.

Scout.com: Being Seantrel Henderson
 

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Seantrel has not made an OFFICIAL top ten yet. He doesnt mention ND, but that doesnt mean we are off the list because he hasnt made it yet. Read a nice article on him from scout, link below. Again, he has NOT made an OFFICIAL top ten yet. When he does, the staff will still recruit him no matter what and go from there.

Scout.com: Being Seantrel Henderson


Thanks for the clarification.
 

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Naw BGIF people, us fans, all assumed we were locks with these kids. Just go back and read the threads. I dont blame them, as soon as i heard there was another Monatan kid out there that was a legit D1 prospect i thought he was a lock. Your telling me you didnt think so?
 

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Naw BGIF people, us fans, all assumed we were locks with these kids. Just go back and read the threads. I dont blame them, as soon as i heard there was another Monatan kid out there that was a legit D1 prospect i thought he was a lock. Your telling me you didnt think so?

Montana, No. I've never bought into he's afraid to play in his father's shadow nor did I think he was a lock. I though ND had a good shot at him but going back through articles written on QB prospects, I see early stuff on Gardner, Bolden, lots on Heaps and nothing on Montana - from the ND beat writers. He didn't come to Junior Day, did he? I didn't get the vibes like we did from both Golic brothers.

I also didn't think he was that well regarded as a Top QB. And when he started getting interest from other majors and then ranked around the Top Dozen QBs I assumed he was sincere about looking around and not being disingenuous.

Now Jones got a lot of ND coverage (beat writers) and I felt ND would be a finalist but a lock, never.

Some of the others like Hicks I didn't even feel ND was a serious contender - unless he got rejected from his favs.

Over the years I've seen quite a few legacies go elsewhere probably a whole lot more than came to ND though I have no numbers to back that up.

In this class, Barr probably evoked the fuzziest feeling but not from his words or actions just the depth of the connection. The recent piece about Michigan didn't make me think "lock".

None of these kids seem to be publicly, beating down ND's door to come get in. And if they're part of the group waiting to see how Charlie does this year, they aren't ND locks. IF they were, they'd be coming regardless of who was or wasn't the ND coach.
 

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This is just another example of Notre Dame fans assuming we were a lock with a kid for whatever reason

Sentreal goes to an Irish pipeline school so he is a lock
Hurst is from Indiana, hes a lock
Tailor Jones, Jordan Hicks, Kyle Prater, Anthoony Barr, and Nick Montana all have family at Notre Dame so they are locks

This hype was built by the fans not the recruits. If we win we will still have a top 10 or 5 class but the recruiting expectations were all assumed

Well said...
 

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I guess Mike Floyd doesn't have as much pull as we thought with him. If we aren't even mentioned among his dozen or so favorite schools.
 
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