Claussen given no respect in position rankings.

[fightinirish68]

id say dan lafevour is pretty proven. he might not face the best defenses but hes a damn good player. a year ago he had 3,000 + passing and 1,000 + rushing. and when they played georgia im pretty sure i remember him not doing that bad

 

[Brown]

LOL @ "having something to prove"

When rating a QB, against other QBs, the only thing a QB should have to prove, is his ability to play the quarter back position.

A QBs job is to read coverages, throw the ball with velocity, and throw the ball accurately. That's a QBs job.

Clausen should be in any top 5 list.

 

[nd1988]

Nice comeback. Brilliant. To say that you can never put JC and Brady in the same sentence is shortsighted and stupid. Par for the course though for you. Sadly, you claim to be an ND fan, but I guarantee you that you want JC to fail. Nice.

BTW, here are the #'s from brady and JC's sophomore years:

Brady Quinn:
Completions: 191-353, yards = 2586, % = 54.1, TD/Picks = 17-10, sacks = 25, rating = 125.87

Jimmy:
Completions: 268-440; Yards = 3172, % = 60.9; TD/Picks 25-17; sacks = 21 QB rating =132.49

I'm not saying that JC is already great, but to say he can NEVER be is, again, shortsighted. JC beats Brady in almost every category, but you think they can NEVER be put in the same sentence, and basically mock anyone who thinks JC might be great someday. Nice. You're a real football genius, and truly a great ND fan]...

God... It was horrible watching BQ during his freshman and sophmore years. Its been the same for JC as well too. BQ came out his junior year and was on fire and if JC comes out sputtering....he must see the bench...Another thing...BQ wasn't full of himself unlike your "self" proclaimed golden boy is. The players actually liked playing for/with BQ.. There was buzz around the watercooler last about the way JC and his teammates got along.

Never once have I said I want JC to fail. I simply stated that he is not a 5* quality recruit but for someone like yourself...All recruits from the state of CA are 5*.... If he proves his critics wrong.....Good for him and the state of Cali for producing such a great and respectful player.

BTW... We all know JC is the starting "so far" for this upcoming season. So get off his nutz already...You "Internet bully"...I mean come on "bro", you flipped this entire JC="Jesus Christ" thing...

You can't put JC and BQ in the same sentance when it comes to attitude.
Do you get NBC in LA?

 

[NDinL.A.]

God... It was horrible watching BQ during his freshman and sophmore years. Its been the same for JC as well too. BQ came out his junior year and was on fire and if JC comes out sputtering....he must see the bench...Another thing...BQ wasn't full of himself unlike your "self" proclaimed golden boy is. The players actually liked playing for/with BQ.. There was buzz around the watercooler last about the way JC and his teammates got along.

Never once have I said I want JC to fail. I simply stated that he is not a 5* quality recruit but for someone like yourself...All recruits from the state of CA are 5*.... If he proves his critics wrong.....Good for him and the state of Cali for producing such a great and respectful player.

BTW... We all know JC is the starting "so far" for this upcoming season. So get off his nutz already...You "Internet bully"...I mean come on "bro", you flipped this entire JC="Jesus Christ" thing...

You can't put JC and BQ in the same sentance when it comes to attitude.
Do you get NBC in LA?

Dude, don't get all butt-hurt when you state insane things like "JC sucks" and "he'll NEVER be mentioned in the same breathe as BQ", and then you get called out on it and made to look stupid.

I can get with things like "I'm not a big fan of his" or "I don't think he'll ever be a great QB" or "I hate his attitude". At least you could back up those arguments. But when you say stupid things, and people come back with numbers to disprove you, then why get all hurt and cry "internet bully"? Grow a sack and defend your argument.

Jimmy could be from friggin' Singapore and I'd defend anyone who said he sucks. It has nothing to do with CA. Your grasping for straws so you say the first thing you can think of. My favorite players are Michael Floyd (Minn) and Mr. G-Money Golden Tate (Tenn). So does that make me a cow-milking Elvis fan as well? I just don't see the logic behind how me defending a CA player makes me think that all CA players are 5 *s. With that kind of deep-thinking I really think you should root for an SEC team or something. You'd fit right in. Seriously, grow up.

If you want to continue the argument, PM me. Or just answer this one question, which you've conveniently ignored in every single one of your posts: For the millionth time, do you think that Mark Sanchez (5*), Colt McCoy, and Matt Stafford (5*) all 'suck'. Because, again, they all had worse or comparable numbers to JC's their 2nd year. I'd LOVE for you to answer that. I'm not saying JC is Jesus or anything near it (nice try), my entire argument with you is that he doesn't 'suck' as YOU said. Sorry bro, your argument doesn't cut it, as your silence when answering that one question proves...

 

[WabashFalcon]

Shoud I gets my troll smashing club?

 

[TDHeysus]

just a 2 cents to add....Alot of JC's INT's were passes that were dead-on and bounced off a chest, or popped in the air and picked off by a defender.

The 3rd period @ North Carolina INT hurts, but that one of only a few times I can recall a really bad decision that was picked off.

By in large, I think JC has shown to make good decisions on the field, and given the chaos that has surrounded the ND offense in the last 2 years I think other QB's would not have faired (sp) so well.

I have seen this 'attitude' that has been referenced(check the HAW game, he had a long TD pass, and had a very arrogant reaction); but he is young, came from an afluent family, has been coddled by Weis and ND, and just about anyone else in his life. The attitude is here to stay, I just hope he doesn't embarass the university, or the team in doing so. Other than that, it is all lined up JC to bust out this year.

 

[NDFan537]

There was buzz around the watercooler last about the way JC and his teammates got along.
I simply stated that he is not a 5* quality recruit but for someone like yourself...All recruits from the state of CA are 5*....
You can't put JC and BQ in the same sentance when it comes to attitude.
?

Well since NDinLA already ripped you pretty good I will be gentle. I really think you should rethink whether you want to be a ND fan. I heard OSU is loading up the wagon. I mean seriously why are you always so negative about the team?

I wanted to touch on three key points in you ridiculous article:

1) The buzz around what water cooler? Rumors at the fat man softball league you are in do not count. That is a dumb and uneducated statement. I will argue that point with you and anyone else that wants to join in. Jimmy is the leader and his teammates not only respect him, they believe in him. I have spoken on several occasions with someone who would know.

2)There you go with the 5* crap again. Please indulge me. Show me evidence. Don't just come on and say, "Jimmy sucks...he is not good for a 5*.....he should have been lower *....Jimmy sucks." Why would you come into an intelligent conversation amongst adults and say such childish things? I mean really? You should go find some evidence then come back and let us know.(BTW:NDinLA has given plenty of evidence time and time again as to why he is good, so I didn't feel the need to be repetitive.

3)If you can't spell sentence, you shouldn't use it in your argument. Just saying....

 

[IrishAddiction]

haha, arguing over preseason polls and rankings that never mean a damn thing. prove em wrong, prove em right, all that matters is where you finish in the end. Jimmy could pass for 4000 yards next season, but if we dont win big games, who cares. winning=the only damn thing that matters.

 

[NDFan537]

haha, arguing over preseason polls and rankings that never mean a damn thing. prove em wrong, prove em right, all that matters is where you finish in the end. Jimmy could pass for 4000 yards next season, but if we dont win big games, who cares. winning=the only damn thing that matters.

I agree:Winning is all that matters! In the end you are right, but if Jimmy throws for say 275 yds. 3tds and no picks and we lose a game big or little it is not his fault. I believe if someone wants to check me those stats are really close to the 'Cuse game. That is a prime example game. Jimmy played great, I was there, the fans booed and threw snowballs. I was almost sad to be an Irish fan that day. Then I cheered up when I realized those are the same jackasses that will never be satisfied and they can kiss my ass.
WIN, LOSE, OR TIE: IRISH TILL THE DAY I DIE!

 

[03euroSVT]

.....
WIN, LOSE, OR TIE: IRISH TILL THE DAY I DIE!

Thanks for the new signature

 

[nd1988]

Well since NDinLA already ripped you pretty good I will be gentle. I really think you should rethink whether you want to be a ND fan. I heard OSU is loading up the wagon. I mean seriously why are you always so negative about the team?

I wanted to touch on three key points in you ridiculous article:

1) The buzz around what water cooler? Rumors at the fat man softball league you are in do not count. That is a dumb and uneducated statement. I will argue that point with you and anyone else that wants to join in. Jimmy is the leader and his teammates not only respect him, they believe in him. I have spoken on several occasions with someone who would know.

2)There you go with the 5* crap again. Please indulge me. Show me evidence. Don't just come on and say, "Jimmy sucks...he is not good for a 5*.....he should have been lower *....Jimmy sucks." Why would you come into an intelligent conversation amongst adults and say such childish things? I mean really? You should go find some evidence then come back and let us know.(BTW:NDinLA has given plenty of evidence time and time again as to why he is good, so I didn't feel the need to be repetitive.

3)If you can't spell sentence, you shouldn't use it in your argument. Just saying....

Is that Oregon State or Ohio State...?
BTW....I didn't mind arguing with NDinLA because for one i was stating my opinion about JC and two.....he didn't correct my spelling........Thanks for the heads up..
An "itelligent conversation" amongst adults...? Gimme a break....

 

[allnd1962]

Kind of sounds like my 15 year old son when he is done with his rants.

 

[NDFan537]

Is that Oregon State or Ohio State...?
BTW....I didn't mind arguing with NDinLA because for one i was stating my opinion about JC and two.....he didn't correct my spelling........Thanks for the heads up..
An "itelligent conversation" amongst adults...? Gimme a break....

Look man it was a joke. You would think you would use spell check though when you are trying to argue with a teacher. I have been following a lot of the conversation back and forth between the two of you and the thing is I would be nailing you to but he does such a good job. The problem is you open yourself up over and over. You use no evidence and make extremely childish statements.

I would give you a break but I for one am an intelligent adult and try to have conversations of worth with other adults. If I want a childish view on ND football I will ask my 3 year old daughter. All she knows is Jimmy wear #7 and throws the ball. The whole game long she sits there and when Jimmy has the ball she says, "GO JIMMY".

 

[Riddickulous]

This debate is pointless.

 

[Junkhead]

God... It was horrible watching BQ during his freshman and sophmore years. Its been the same for JC as well too. BQ came out his junior year and was on fire and if JC comes out sputtering....he must see the bench...Another thing...BQ wasn't full of himself unlike your "self" proclaimed golden boy is. The players actually liked playing for/with BQ.. There was buzz around the watercooler last about the way JC and his teammates got along.

Never once have I said I want JC to fail. I simply stated that he is not a 5* quality recruit but for someone like yourself...All recruits from the state of CA are 5*.... If he proves his critics wrong.....Good for him and the state of Cali for producing such a great and respectful player.

BTW... We all know JC is the starting "so far" for this upcoming season. So get off his nutz already...You "Internet bully"...I mean come on "bro", you flipped this entire JC="Jesus Christ" thing...

You can't put JC and BQ in the same sentance when it comes to attitude.
Do you get NBC in LA?

Thanks for wasting a minute of our lives reading that garbage.

 

[kmoose]

3)If you can't spell sentence, you shouldn't use it in your argument. Just saying....

I love ya, man. But if you can't spell patiently, you shouldn't use it in your profile. Just saying....

I once called someone out on spelling, and misspelled a word in the course of calling them out. Sure enough, someone else called me out on it. All I'm doing is paying it forward.

 

[tse057]

totally agree... but niether has Colin Kaepernick, Dan LaFevour etc.... I thin kthat's pretty out there... but also expected...

LeFevour was almost the second quarterback in NCAA history to go 20-20 back in 2007 when had 27 passing and 19 rushing. He is one of the better quarterbacks in the nation and certainly top 15. He came into last season as a Heisman candidate and after next season he will be a great Sunday quarterback. Bold statement but the MAC has a great history of quarterbacks progressing to the NFL (Pennington, Roethlisberger, Batch, Leftwich, Cribbs (though not at a quarterback).

 

[Riddickulous]

LeFevour is a great quarterback.

 

[NDinL.A.]

National champs.net has the top 15 qbs in cfb for 2009 as follows:

1.Tim Tebow-Fla
2. Sam Bradford-Oklahoma
3. Colt McCoy-Texas
4.Matt Stafford-Georgia
5. Max Hall-BYU
6.Todd Reesing-Kansas
7. Nate Davis-Ball State
8. Mark Sanchez-USC(Declared for draft)
9. Zac Robinson-Oklahoma St.
10. Case Keenum-Houston
11. Daryl Clark-Penn St
12. Juice Williams-Illinois
13. Colin Kaepernick-Nevada
14. Josh Freeman-Kansas St.
15. Dan LaFevour-Central Mich.


I just thought it was kind of hard to belive that JC isnt a top 15 QB. Your thoughts....

BUMP

Joe Schad from ESPN had his top 10 QBs of 2009, and he had JC at #7. His exact list:

1. Tebow
2. Bradford
3. McCoy
4. Zac Robinson
5. Pryor
6. Jevan Sneed (Miss St.)
7. JC
8. Daryl Clark
9. Locker
10. Robert Griffin (Baylor)

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I dont think Pryor should be that high... just opinion

 

[IrishInFl]

I dont think Pryor should be that high... just opinion

Nope, it's not just your opinion. To place Pryor above Griffin is just wrong. Griffin was IMO the best freshman QB last year. BTW, Sneed goes to Ole Miss, not Miss St.

 

[ARALOU]

No way is Pryor better than JC. He may be a little more athletic but thats about it. I hope JC kicks ass this year along with the rest of the Irish. I would like to see ND feed the ESPN jackasses a nice shit sammich.

 

[Junkhead]

Compare the arms on Clausen and Pryor. Laughable comparison at best.

 

[donjuan]

I think this is the part that confuses many. Best QB or best QB in situations? So far, Pryor has been the better QB in situations. I'm not saying he has a better arm or anything (because that would mean that I'm a dumb-a$$), but rather in arguably big games, he has done better or has not done as bad as JC. One can say it's because of the porous line that JC had and that OSU has better talent, but he was prone to throwing the interception last year when he would try for something that wasn't there. --case in point, BC pick six--

He has a lot to prove before the national media will adorn him ruler of all QB's. If he can repeat his Hawaii bowl performance or 3/4 of it on a regular basis, look out. Media will be all over him. And since we know he can be accurate, and that most of his mistakes are mental, the future looks promising! But his rating is reflective of game-time decisions IMO, and in that regard he can only get better. Last year during most games I was scratching my head wondering how or why he made a throw. Now it's time to prove he's got the above the shoulders aspect of playing football.

 

[ARALOU]

He throws the out better than most pro QBs. However when you throw quick outs they tend to get jumped every once on awhile. Pryor is the beneficiary of a talented o-line. He also has alot of ability. He does not have the arm for sure but if you put JC on Pryors team, who starts? I think JC does. Thats just my opinion though. Was JC not the #1 QB in all the land coming out of high school? I cant remember. I think he was up there though.

 

[jason_h537]

Ummm we had a thread similar to this and it was labled top 5 qb's for next year. And alot of you had him in the top 5. I didnt even have him in my top 15 from what I remember. What has he proven? Just answer me that and maybe I will think of putting him around #20. Sorry, you know me. I just tell it like it is. I agree with the top 15.

Ummmmm let's see Clausen threw for over 3,000 yards with 25 TD's and a 60% completion rating as a true sophmore under the most pressure packed position in the highest profile school. That is what he has done. I am not saying he should be a top 5 or 10 quarterback yet, but i think hes proven quite a bit. Unless you expected him to have won his second Heisman by now, then yeah he is a total bust. What annoyed me even more was to hear people say we should have benched him last year for Dayne Crist. Did they not watch the 07 season to see what happens when you play a true freshman QB?

 

[notredomer23]

I think Robert Griffin is going to be something really special

 

[IrishAddiction]

Respect isnt given, it is earned. Jimmy hasnt proven anything yet, hopefully with a good line and a little more improvement in actually moving in the pocket, he will have a great year and put this to rest.

Pryor and JC are completely different styles. Pryor runs like a gazelle but throws like one too. Jimmy can throw on the dime but couldnt move worth a shit, forcing bad throws. Last year, i would have rather of had Pryor to be honest.

 

[jason_h537]

Sorry to break it to you but not every quarterback at Notre Dame is gonna win the Heisman and National Championship. Especially in his first two seasons. You guys knock a TRUE SOPHMORE because he makes mistakes. Thats what young players do, and it is magnified by the fact that he is surrounded by a young and inexperienced team. If he were at Ohio State with their o-line, running back, and defense, you would be saying trade Pryor for Jimmy. This is a young team that has to grow up together, learn from mistakes together, and take their lumps. If there is one thing you have to give credit to Weis for is he has brought talent back to Notre Dame. So even if Weis does get fired this year (which i don't think he will), as long as we don't make a stupid hire Notre Dame football will be back.