Obama ND's Commencement Speaker

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It's not about politics...it's about having the President speak to a Catholic institution. Just as the Bushes and Reagan supported executing people, Obama supports abortion.

Neither they nor he are LESS Catholic in their views. They both have some, but not all. So, by the logic of those who would not want Obama, they should not have wanted Bush.

However, ND is bringing in the President of the United States for the 9th time. Because ND knows that no man is perfect, but these men are (or were) one of the most important persons in the country when they were in office.

Who better to give a commencement speech? Especially since all of them knew the value of higher education, hard work, and perseverance.

okay, LMI you have to admit executing a person convicted of murder is a wee bit different than killing an unborn child convicted of welll.....nothing. so please dont put them in the same category. i take offense to it, as well as im sure many others on this board.
 

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okay, LMI you have to admit executing a person convicted of murder is a wee bit different than killing an unborn child convicted of welll.....nothing. so please dont put them in the same category. i take offense to it, as well as im sure many others on this board.

The Catholic church thinks that both are an affront to God. Just saying.

My point is not to compare them directly but rather to show that all Presidents have done more than one thing that goes against the very fabric of the Church's teachings. Despite that, they are welcome at ND.

If we only bring in people who are in line with the Church's teachings Commencement is going to be a pretty damn dull event.
 

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What's to understand. Bush has the intelligence of a fence post; Obama is brilliant. Bush will go down in history as being the most destructive president in the history of the country; Obama will be recognized as its savior. HELLO!

sorry bud, i think he has alot of work to do before we can recognize him as any sort of savior...... making posts like that just make you look dumb. no results yet, the economy is still spiraling downward, the moral values are declining, i wouldnt say its the workings of a savior yet.

obama did come on tv the other day and say the economys on the rise, so americans should go out and buy stocks. if he said it it must be true.
 

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sorry bud, i think he has alot of work to do before we can recognize him as any sort of savior...... making posts like that just make you look dumb. no results yet, the economy is still spiraling downward, the moral values are declining, i wouldnt say its the workings of a savior yet.

obama did come on tv the other day and say the economys on the rise, so americans should go out and buy stocks. if he said it it must be true.

I think he was being sarcastic actually about the "savior" thing...lol
 

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The Catholic church thinks that both are an affront to God. Just saying.

My point is not to compare them directly but rather to show that all Presidents have done more than one thing that goes against the very fabric of the Church's teachings. Despite that, they are welcome at ND.

If we only bring in people who are in line with the Church's teachings Commencement is going to be a pretty damn dull event.

okay, i can deal with that. as long as we arent saying they are the same thing. i cant argue him coming, hopefully they show him respect. stand, applaud, shake his hand. doesnt mean you have to vote for him, just show him respect.
 

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okay, i can deal with that. as long as we arent saying they are the same thing. i cant argue him coming, hopefully they show him respect. stand, applaud, shake his hand. doesnt mean you have to vote for him, just show him respect.

They are definitely different issues, but I was trying to pick 2 that would be considered very serious.

I agree with your sentiment about how he should be treated...all Presidents deserve at least that.
 

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notredomer23 is exactly correct, Notre Dame is a Catholic university and they need to once stand up for the Catholic church. I am not trying to be to extreme, but we need to respect the Church. I am attempting to become a student of this amazing university, but this kind of does make me vomit. Not because of political views, but because of the Church.

Again not trying to be to extreme here.
 

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notredomer23 is exactly correct, Notre Dame is a Catholic university and they need to once stand up for the Catholic church. I am not trying to be to extreme, but we need to respect the Church. I am attempting to become a student of this amazing university, but this kind of does make me vomit. Not because of political views, but because of the Church.

Again not trying to be to extreme here.

This is not to invoke a reaction, but consider this:

I believe that we have only had 1 Catholic president...Kennedy. Is he the only president who would have been worthy enough to speak at the University?

And, how about our football team (or student body as a whole in fact)? Should they all be required to be Catholic?

We should all be able to co-exist regardless of religion, race, (insert social category here), whatever. We should be just as willing to listen to an opposing view as we would be to our same view; in fact it may be more important in my opinion. This is how we grow and become better people, more informed people. JMHO.
 

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I will be attending the graduation in May because my girlfriend will be graduating, and after viewing all of these posts, I have felt nothing but pride for being an ND fan. We are the one team where you truly find every type of American out there. Not only do we live all over the country, but we have different religious faiths (or even different views on what certain faiths hold true) and political views. If we were all Alabama fans, I am quite sure we would be hard-pressed to find this kind of polarity.

That being said, I love that Obama is the commencement speaker if nothing except for the fact that it is an honor. Politics aside, whether I agree with his stimulus package or not, whether I agree with his stance on abortion or not, to say that when you graduated from college, the leader of your country (and the first black president no less) was your commencement speaker is a proud fact to boast. Shoot, at my graduation, I could not tell you the name of the man who spoke, I faintly remember he was involved in banking. And like others have said, you don't have to agree with everything he says at the ceremony, but you must respect him. He is deserving of such. As a Catholic university, our ideals may clash with some of his proposed policy changes, but he, as an individual, represents what every college graduate wants to believe - that their dreams will come true if they work hard enough. He came from nothing to graduate from Harvard Law at the top of class, and then went on to become a state senator and eventually president. I would take those words of advice over someone who was a business executive. Anyways, that's my two cents on the matter, and I think we should change our topic to one of more importance. Perhaps we can all unite in the solace of knowing we have 6 more months until college football starts again!!!
 

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That being said, I love that Obama is the commencement speaker if nothing except for the fact that it is an honor. Politics aside, whether I agree with his stimulus package or not, whether I agree with his stance on abortion or not, to say that when you graduated from college, the leader of your country (and the first black president no less) was your commencement speaker is a proud fact to boast. Shoot, at my graduation, I could not tell you the name of the man who spoke, I faintly remember he was involved in banking. And like others have said, you don't have to agree with everything he says at the ceremony, but you must respect him. He is deserving of such. As a Catholic university, our ideals may clash with some of his proposed policy changes, but he, as an individual, represents what every college graduate wants to believe - that their dreams will come true if they work hard enough. He came from nothing to graduate from Harvard Law at the top of class, and then went on to become a state senator and eventually president. I would take those words of advice over someone who was a business executive. Anyways, that's my two cents on the matter, and I think we should change our topic to one of more importance. Perhaps we can all unite in the solace of knowing we have 6 more months until college football starts again!!!

No President has ever fit the views of the Catholic church...your points above are all very valid.

When Bush came into town I never thought ND should reject him...despite all his anti-Church actions and beliefs, he was still the Commander-in-Chief and it's an honor to have him at ND
 

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Actually no... He has SOME conflicts...like abortion. But if you were to read Catholic doctrine about the poor, Guantanmo, the war in Iraq, and things like capital punishment you might find he's a better alignment that Bush or McCain.

That being said, ND has plenty of Presidents from BOTH sides of the aisle deliver the commencement address (9 to be exact):
President Obama to deliver Notre Dame’s Commencement address // News // Office of News and Information // University of Notre Dame

Something interesting I noticed with the list of presidents who spoke.

39. Jimmy Carter
40. Ronald Reagan
41. George H.W. Bush
43. George W. Bush

Someone's missing...

Gee... I wonder why.
 

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This is not to invoke a reaction, but consider this:

I believe that we have only had 1 Catholic president...Kennedy. Is he the only president who would have been worthy enough to speak at the University?

And, how about our football team (or student body as a whole in fact)? Should they all be required to be Catholic?

We should all be able to co-exist regardless of religion, race, (insert social category here), whatever. We should be just as willing to listen to an opposing view as we would be to our same view; in fact it may be more important in my opinion. This is how we grow and become better people, more informed people. JMHO.

i was not Catholic when i attended ND but have since converted. the molestation stuff came out after i converted. hey son, since when do you part your hair down the middle? yikes.
 

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i was not Catholic when i attended ND but have since converted. the molestation stuff came out after i converted. hey son, since when do you part your hair down the middle? yikes.

I am currently in the RCIA program and will be confirmed during the Easter Vigil service.
 

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I am currently in the RCIA program and will be confirmed during the Easter Vigil service.

awesome. my wife grew up Catholic and went to ND. a few years after we were married i converted ahead of having our first child. it's a wonderful experience for sure.
 

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Something interesting I noticed with the list of presidents who spoke.

39. Jimmy Carter
40. Ronald Reagan
41. George H.W. Bush
43. George W. Bush

Someone's missing...

Gee... I wonder why.

Let's not forget no Kennedy, but they did have Ike. No Johnson, Nixon, or Ford.

Can't say Ford is some bad guy who should be left out.
 

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The University is not honoring the President for his political views on issues regarding the protection of life, but rather for his political achievements. The invitation of the President is in no way an endorsement of his positions on these specific issues and, furthermore, these differences in positions on the protection of life are not being ignored in extending the invitation to the President but, rather, is being used to initiate dialogue.

Remember the company Jesus kept, and those among which he ate. You cannot change the world, nor progress towards achievement for the common human family, if you are unwilling to engage in dialogue with the side you must persuade. Indeed, this is a reason for which the University is eager to honor former US ambassador to the Holy See and current Harvard Law professor Mary Ann Glendon with the Laetare Medal this year. The dialogue between the President and Professor Glendon could prove fruitful.

Fine, you say, open dialogue is swell, but for what reasons should we allow a President with views contrary to the Catholic teaching a platform on which to address members of the Notre Dame family ? And for what reasons should we honor him with a Doctors of Law degree ? Does not the USCCB strictly forbid giving such politicians a platform or honors ?

The University is not offering a platform upon which the President is to offer his political stances. This is commencement, a celebration of the four years of hard work which students have undertaken, and to have a President who knows well the achievements made possible through education seems fitting in this context. It was partially for this that he was invited, not his political views. This is not a political platform and to neglect the dividing line between a celebration of achievement and a forum for polemics is directly disrespectful to the graduating seniors.

If it is not for his political stances that the University has invited the President, then for what ? According to Father Jenkins, the President is "an inspirational leader who has taken leadership of the country facing many challenges" and, as the first African American President, it is a "special feature" for the University to hear from someone who has "spoken eloquently and powerfully about race. Racial prejudice," he goes on, "is a deep wound in America and President Obama has been a healer, so we honor him for those reasons."

The USCCB states that those who act in defiance of the fundamental moral principles of the Church "should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions" and, indeed, as articulated by Jenkins, the University is not honoring the President for these specific actions and views.

The University is recognizing his very real and significant accomplishments and his leadership. At the same time, the University wishes to engage him in the future, and this occasion will be an opportune time to do so. If the President is going to reconsider his views, Jenkins says, "Notre Dame is the best possible place to begin that process."

“Notre Dame needs to be where the Catholic Church does its thinking. You can’t think and grow if you only view things from one side of the argument. People who visit Notre Dame don’t have the power to change Notre Dame, but Notre Dame has the power to change people.” - Father Hesburgh
 
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Holy shit dude. Is that how ND students think and write?

Friggin impressive. Dayum. I'm voting for you.

But you haven't answered why you are holding onto that dude in your avatar pic. :)


What is USCCB?
 

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Holy shit dude. Is that how ND students think and write?

Friggin impressive. Dayum. I'm voting for you.

But you haven't answered why you are holding onto that dude in your avatar pic. :)


What is USCCB?

First, thanks ! I figure if I am going to make it big someday soon, I should be able to write a little bit. :)

Second, very funny...

Third, the USCCB is the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official body of leadership of the Catholic Church in the United States. It is composed of all the members of the Catholic hierarchy (i.e. bishops and archbishops) in the United States.
 

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I'd vote for you, too. Of course you've probably got about 15 years before you can even run for Pres!!
 

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First, thanks ! I figure if I am going to make it big someday soon, I should be able to write a little bit. :)

You are already big my friend. Just keep it going and work harder than you ever thought you could. Keeps you humble. That's what hard workers tell me.

And let go of that ugly guy.

And when is that concert?
 
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Ha, thanks guys.

Doomer: We had a concert on the feast day of Saint Patrick last week followed by a release party for our album. Both were very well received and our publisher is very happy with the rate at which the album is selling. This Saturday, though, NBC will be on campus to pre-record our Easter Mass and we're very eager for that as well.
 

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So how can we buy the album?

What's Easter? Is that the opposite of Wester?

It's currently sold out on Amazon, but they have it for a decent price compared to buying directly from our publisher. In any case, the title of the album is "Songs of Saints and Scholars," and it can be purchased from either Amazon or the link on the Folk Choir website (Recordings of the Folk Choir). You can actually listen to a lot of the CD by following the latter link.
 

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Let's not forget no Kennedy, but they did have Ike. No Johnson, Nixon, or Ford.

Can't say Ford is some bad guy who should be left out.

Ford was a Michigan grad. So it's pretty understandable why he wasn't invited. :smilewink

However, why wasn't Clinton invited? From my understanding, the ones I listed were invited during their first year in office. There has to be a reason why Bill wasn't.
 

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Bishop weighs in on ND controversy

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP/WANE) - Bishop John D'Arcy of the Fort Wayne-South Bend Diocese won't be attending the May 17 commencement at Notre Dame that will feature a speech by President Barack Obama who will also receive an honorary degree.

In a statement issued on Tuesday, March 24, D'Arcy said his decision to not attend is not meant to disrespect the President and is not an attack on anyone. D'Arcy stated his decision "is in defense of the truth about human life."

Bishop D'Arcy will not attend ND commencement
 

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Two places that do not need any more spotlight, attention, or controversy are Notre Dame and the White House.

1) ND gets enough attention being what it is. There's enough negative publicity and media outlets out to get the Catholics

2) Obama has enough on his plate as is. Hats off to him for sticking to his guns and going through with it as planned, but it will be as hostile as Rocky Balboa fighting Ivan Drago in Russia.
 

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How the hell does a 39-year old senator wreck his f***ing car and not call the police or the fire department to try to rescue the woman trapped in the submerged car? Did the f***er go home and sleep off a drunk? Its one thing to differ on policy or philosophy but to hold this f***er up as a hero is absurd.

And, how does this same Senator, not only keep his senate seat after this , be appointed to the senate judiciary committee where he decides if appointees for Federal judgeships have a good enough background to be Federal judges?
 

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Maybe people learn from mistakes? Talk about Mrs. Bush's boyfriend that she killed in a car accident in the same sentence.

Let it go.

I hope they have.
 
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