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NeuteredDoomer

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Seems like you are blaming Obama. Or democrats or republicans or independents

Why blame?

Fix needs to get fixed.

Enough already.
 

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Rush Limbaugh's the man. Anyone see him at CPAC?

With guys like him as the face of the party, no wonder the Dems did so well last year. LOL

Start listening to RUSH at 1:10 (you can ignore the rest if you want)
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hes a brave man to put himself out there in the 1st place....

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Good video my friend.

May we move forward somehow? I'm all for positive progress.

I know several "real" scientists, but way too many more fakes. Let's hope real gains an advantage.
 
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Seems like you are blaming Obama. Or democrats or republicans or independents

Why blame?

Fix needs to get fixed.

Enough already.

It is enough already. My 401k taking a shit is enough already. Obama has a lot of blame here. The last President is gone. He's not the 'problem' anymore.

It is a liberal, liberal 'recovery' plan. Any right-wingers taking earmarks should be bitch-slapped. Socialized healthcare (oops, nationalized) and the elimination of Bush tax cuts (the next steps to his plan) stymie capitalism and promote dependence on government cheese. This is the CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN.

My dad has been a liberal since he got off the boat over 50 years ago, and is one of the exceptions to the rule. With a GED, one of the few professions he could find work was skilled trades, where he has made himself quite a nice career working for some of the bigger automotive and manufacturing companies in our country. He believes in unions because he was someone who worked hard and wanted fair wages, reasonable work accommodations, and fair treatment for the ass-busting that he did (and continues to do) for 40+ years. I get that.

Unfortunately, unions (in my opinion, the penultimate microcosm of the liberal mindset) now protect the lazy. Having worked a couple of summers in my dad's factory in Michigan, I saw the clock-punchers that were sure to take full advantage of their paid breaks, and were also sure to shut it down so they could take their place in line 10 minutes before the end of the shift to punch the clock at the end of the day. The same people that want higher wages and fair treatment, and blame management for the ills of their profession. That is the road down which we are headed. More govenrment dependence. Do more for me, so I can do less for you.

And let's get cracking on that fairness doctrine! Hannity and Limbaugh are bad for America!

-Typed with a smile on my face. These are opinions, not decrees.
 

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And i did see Rush at CPAC. Sweet.

He's the leader of the Republican Party, did you hear? The Democrats say so.
 

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With guys like him as the face of the party, no wonder the Dems did so well last year. LOL

Start listening to RUSH at 1:10 (you can ignore the rest if you want)
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I would agree that this is an unnecessary way to make a point about his views.

It is great that you posted the video. It's the only way people will watch his show.
 

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It is enough already. My 401k taking a shit is enough already. Obama has a lot of blame here. The last President is gone. He's not the 'problem' anymore.

Obama has done nothing to your 401k...if his recovery plan fails, be bitter...be mad. If ti works, be happy.

In 40-some days as President he has not been able to fix the entire US Economy...that will take far more time.

Let's not forget the Dow lost 40% of it's value in the year BEFORE he became President.

It went from over 13,000 to 8,000 BEFORE he was Prez. It's gone down just over 1,000 since then.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI#chart1:symbol=^dji;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=off;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined
 

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I would agree that this is an unnecessary way to make a point about his views.

It is great that you posted the video. It's the only way people will watch his show.

I thought a lot of people watched Rush? I don't, but I heard tons did.

I don't watch any pundits though they are useless.
 

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Obama has done nothing to your 401k...if his recovery plan fails, be bitter...be mad. If ti works, be happy.

In 40-some days as President he has not been able to fix the entire US Economy...that will take far more time.

Let's not forget the Dow lost 40% of it's value in the year BEFORE he became President.

It went from over 13,000 to 8,000 BEFORE he was Prez. It's gone down just over 1,000 since then.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI#chart1:symbol=^dji;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=off;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined

LMI, in 40 days he has not been able to fix ANY of the US Economy, let alone the entire thing.

IMHO, the decisions he is making in his first 40 days in office, solidify my feelings that my 401k is not bouncing back. How much time does he get for these ideas to stick? A term?

Can anyone provide me with specifics (hell, I'll take generalities at this point), that lead one to believe his ideas will fix the economy? Where are these millions of jobs he is creating going to come from? Don't disguise your millions for fish barriers or STD education as a stimulus.

All hail Porculus! King of all spending bills! You are large and all powerful!

If at the end of Obama's first (fingers crossed-last) term the unemployment rate is lower than when Bush left office, I will apologize to all of you that support the stimulus for my short-sightedness. If it's not, I want an apology from Oprah for driving this hype machine.

By the way, Barry, Nancy and the gang have spent the last couple of days talking to Brad Pitt about rebuilding New Orleans. Where's that money coming from?
 

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Sorry, not a concise post. I was referring to that blowhard ratings vacuum Olbermann.

Oh, I don't really know who he is...I assume he's the guy at the beginning of the video? I've heard his name...but I thought he was a sports guy or something.
 
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LOVEMYIRISH

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LMI, in 40 days he has not been able to fix ANY of the US Economy, let alone the entire thing.

Well, it's impossible to fix anything pertaining to the economy in 40 days.

IMHO, the decisions he is making in his first 40 days in office, solidify my feelings that my 401k is not bouncing back. How much time does he get for these ideas to stick? A term?

It will take at least a year before we see if it is working.

Can anyone provide me with specifics (hell, I'll take generalities at this point), that lead one to believe his ideas will fix the economy? Where are these millions of jobs he is creating going to come from? Don't disguise your millions for fish barriers or STD education as a stimulus.

Basically, it's the theory that by getting some people back to work by outright paying them you begin to plumb the system with spending. It's worked in the past, but it's always hard to tell how much.

We know tax cuts won't do it. So it's pretty much either:
1) sit tight and hope for the best
2) hit the economy with a stimulus of government paid-for job creation
 

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From what I have read and heard, the economy is on the road to recovery without this 'stimulus.' That 's not to say the arrow is pointing up right this minute. In fact, we haven't seen the worst yet. Let capitalism work. Welfare checks and temporary jobs don't seem very stimulating. The timing of this downturn in our economic system came just in time for a new administration to pass a VERY liberal agenda as good for the country.

And again IMHO, I don't think Barry has a year. His approval ratings have already plummeted.

We definitely will see.
 

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Well, it's impossible to fix anything pertaining to the economy in 40 days.



It will take at least a year before we see if it is working.



Basically, it's the theory that by getting some people back to work by outright paying them you begin to plumb the system with spending. It's worked in the past, but it's always hard to tell how much.

We know tax cuts won't do it. So it's pretty much either:
1) sit tight and hope for the best
2) hit the economy with a stimulus of government paid-for job creation

The only problem is that these are not government paid for, they are Chinese paid for. The majority of the money being used for this stimulus package(if thats what you want to call it) is on loan from China. Dont think that your grandchildren arent going to pay a hefty interest fee either. Thats my biggest problem with this bill, Obama is spending money that has not even been created yet. Money that we honestly dont know how were going to pay back yet. Also in the past ,especially the recession in the eighties, the main reason we came out of it was in fact tax cuts. They do work and have been proven to work.
We dont need more government and that is the exact direction that this administration is heading.



A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take from you everything you have!

Thomas Jefferson
 
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Anyone who thinks taking financial accountability away from those who have already proven they need a serious dose of that very thing, and uping spending by trillions all while cutting taxes is the way to fix this economy must have some serious head trauma.

It won't take a year to see a positive effect... it'll take Obama standing up to the real leader of this country over the part three plus years now and tell Nancy Pelosi and her ass backwards policies to take a fucking hike... and we all know that isn't going to happen.


But the truth of the world is you usually get what you deserve and or ask for... and so it'll be with our beloved United States.
 

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The only problem is that these are not government paid for, they are Chinese paid for. The majority of the money being used for this stimulus package(if thats what you want to call it) is on loan from China.

Well, you know...if we did not have to borrow money, we would not be in this situation in the first place.

Dont think that your grandchildren arent going to pay a hefty interest fee either.

Well, the debt is being issued at all time lows, so I guess it won't be as bad as say 5-7 years ago.

Thats my biggest problem with this bill, Obama is spending money that has not even been created yet. Money that we honestly dont know how were going to pay back yet.

With the exception of the 2 surpluses Clinton had, how exactly is this different from the last 50 years?

Also in the past ,especially the recession in the eighties, the main reason we came out of it was in fact tax cuts. They do work and have been proven to work.
This is not true at all. Not even close.

Reagan spent like a drunken sailor. He paid for the economic recovery with debt. He issued more debt in just a few years than in the entire history of our Nation.

Tax cuts only stimulate IF the taxes themselves cause people to do something else besides work. It's called a disincentive.

Seeing that we pretty much have the lowest taxes rates in the industrialized world...I think it's pretty clear that our taxes do not disincentivize people from work.
 

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Well, you know...if we did not have to borrow money, we would not be in this situation in the first place.



Well, the debt is being issued at all time lows, so I guess it won't be as bad as say 5-7 years ago.



With the exception of the 2 surpluses Clinton had, how exactly is this different from the last 50 years?



This is not true at all. Not even close.

Reagan spent like a drunken sailor. He paid for the economic recovery with debt. He issued more debt in just a few years than in the entire history of our Nation.

Tax cuts only stimulate IF the taxes themselves cause people to do something else besides work. It's called a disincentive.

Seeing that we pretty much have the lowest taxes rates in the industrialized world...I think it's pretty clear that our taxes do not disincentivize people from work.

Here are some facts about Reganomics and his tax cuts:

1.On 8 of the 10 key economic variables examined by a 1996 economic reserch committe, the American economy performed better during the Regan years than it did during the pre- and post Regan years.

2. Real median family income grew by 4,000 during the Regan period, after experiencing no growth in the pre-Regan years; it experienced a loss of over 1,500 in the post Regan era.

3.Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Regan than they did befor or after his presidency.

4.The only economic variable that was worse in the Regan period than in both the pre- and post Regan years was the savings rate, which fell rapidly in the eighties.

5.The productivity rate was higher in the pre- Regan years but much lower in the post Regan years.


Regans tax cuts combined with an emphasis on federal monetary policy,deregulation, and expansion of free trade created a sustained economic expansion creating Americas greatest sustained wave of prosperity ever. Our economy grew by more than 1/3 in size, producing a 15 trillion dollar increase in American wealth. Every income group from the richest to the poorest in this country grew its income from 1981-1989.
The economic principle that business expansion, jobs and wealth follow low tax rates is very widely accepted.

My only problem with his economic plan was the amount of debt it created. As far as I know that was the only major criticism of his policy. However you cannot deny that his tax cuts brought us out of that recession.
 
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Let's not forget the Dow lost 40% of it's value in the year BEFORE he became President.

It went from over 13,000 to 8,000 BEFORE he was Prez. It's gone down just over 1,000 since then.


But it has dropped much more since the ELECTION, a bigger indicator in lack of Faith, I've heard anywhere from 31% to 41% depending on the bias of the source. Too lazy to research it. The market had been going up each day before the election. I assumed it was faith in Obama being elected, but now I don't know what it was. Maybe they were clinging to Bush. He does own the biggest market fall after an election in the history of those records kept, I do know that.

When you get right down to it, it tanked in '06, which just happens to correspond with the DEMs taking over the house and senate for the 1st time in a while. Coincidence?!? I think not.

I'm a dem BTW, but a JFK dem. And I want my freaking party back!!! I voted for this clown in the primary, came to my senses and voted for a write in for the election. I still feel remorse for helping "get out the vote" with his campaign before the primary. WTF was I thinking back then. That was actually the event that made me step back, seeing grown adults gladly gulping the koolaid. They were like groupies. If it were kids and a rock star, we'd be making fun of them. But this is okay somehow?!?

I'll get off now. :soapbox:
 

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LMI, are you going to make me defend Reagan?!? I hated the guy with a passion, but now that I'm older I do see the wisdom of his ways. Ironically he followed Carter who is very much like Obama, without the personality. We may need another Reagan.

The current mantra of MY dem party is to say the Rep's can't criticize our spending because they spent a lot too. But the issue is, the dems are spending uber amounts more, regardless how much past reps spent. At some point, you need to draw the line. You say Reagan spent like a drunken sailor? Does that mean Obama spends like the whole fleet of drunken sailors? Because he's on an epic new level of spending.

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Thats my biggest problem with this bill, Obama is spending money that has not even been created yet. Money that we honestly dont know how were going to pay back yet.


You said: With the exception of the 2 surpluses Clinton had, how exactly is this different from the last 50 years?

Actually, we are printing money at a rate now hundreds of times higher than it has ever been printed in our history, with nothing but our name to back it up. Started by Bush, escalated by Obama. I think that's what he's referring too. We are basically printing money to pay for things, without having the gold standard to back it up. Thank you Nixon for screwing that up. I'll assume you don't like Glenn beck, but he has a nice bit on this subject and it is factually correct. Printing money is only creating problems down the road. I may as well go to KINKO's and print my own money, cause it will be worth as much as ours 10 years from now.
 

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Well, it's impossible to fix anything pertaining to the economy in 40 days.

not true. the economy has done nothing but go down, and the economy is run on investor CONFIDENCE. maybe if he said something positive for a change, the economy would suck as much as it does suck.
there have been plenty of recessions before and we all got out of them with any of this bailout crap
 
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