What Makes You Dislike Charlie Weis?

[NDOM]

well NDOM, now I know why I am at Goldhelmet. A buncha negative nancies over here

Why I gotta be a negative "nancy"? Why cant I be a negative "Ned" or a negative "Nate"??? Negative nancy sounds to fem for me. lol

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

well NDOM, now I know why I am at Goldhelmet. A buncha negative nancies over here

You like Gold Helmets?

You are a silly person.

 

[NDOM]

you like gold helmets? My helmet is golden. One eye.

May i stroke your hair and spank you?

You are a silly person.

Go back to your jr. Hgh class. Dissect a frog. Or something.

(and quit staring at my legs...)

lol.

 

[NDFan537]

We all have that hypocrit in us. When our coach is winning he is "GOD" and when he's losing he's the "Devil" and we hate him and everything else.

I do agree with some of what you said. You are right over the last two seasons the results were not what Notre Dame fans expect, or deserve. You made a pretty bold statement saying he has accomplished nothing in my opinion. I remember playing tight with SC, winning 10 games two consecutive years and playing in two BCS games. Did we get beat in both, yes, yes we did. I will not argue that. It actually proves my point, we lost because we weren't good enough to be there. Charlie got more out of those guys than anyone else could have.

The last two years he has had a very, very young team and improved vastly on the results of the previous year. I think he has built another solid class and with the top 10 class from '07 not only being juniors, but being experienced juniors I can say with confidence the '09 team will be better and finish better than the '05 or '06 teams. I said before I don't want to start arguments this is my opinion and you can quote me and save it because I say now with absolute certainty that I will not have to eat crow for these statements.

As for the quote from your article I have zero percent hypocrite in me. My coach is my coach I will support him until this University appoints a new leader. Will I expect great things? Will I ask Questions, and make statements about good or bad calls? Will I give credit where due and frown on other decisions? Of course, but I am a fan and I care very much for this program. I believe ND is a special place for special people and Charlie wouldn't be here if he wasn't supposed to be...........

 

[wicket]

well for me the answer is simple, i dont dislike him. His weak point in my opinion is that he is not that good in early developement of a college player. Once a player is good he is THE guy to make him great though imo. There is a whole bunch of things i can say about this but this is the core.

 

[NDFan537]

well for me the answer is simple, i dont dislike him. His weak point in my opinion is that he is not that good in early developement of a college player. Once a player is good he is THE guy to make him great though imo. There is a whole bunch of things i can say about this but this is the core.

Although I respect your opinion, I believe it to be hard for a coach who is not good at early development of an athlete to ever have good players. I think that he does develop the talent he has the problem is that at no point do you want to start primarily Freshman and Sophomores. It is a recipe for disaster, which is in my opinion what we have had for two years. I think you are onto the most valid of points.

Charlie never found a way to motivate the team to preform above their potential. He found a way (or someone did for that matter) in the Hawaii Bowl. I know what you are all thinking when I say potential. You think these are supposedly the most talented players over the past 3 years and how could I say preform above their potential. What I mean is their potential for a Freshman or Sophomore. I think the ceiling for these guys is out of this world.

All this being said my opinion on why we preformed below my expectation is the inability to run the ball or stop the run. On running the ball the primary problem is o-line play and play-calling. The first can and will be fixed and the play-calling I pray will become more balanced. In my opinion we have far too talented backs to not rush for well over 100 against any opponent, including USC this past year. They must find a way. On stopping the run that has never been Charlie's side and he needs to give total control, if he hasn't already, to Corwin. Let him hire, fire, and fix the defensive problems. He can fix this area in my opinion.

 

[NDOM]

I dont know what you guys are even talking about. I LOVE CHARLIE!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I dont know what you guys are even talking about. I LOVE CHARLIE!

 

[Indiana Joe]

I get a kick out of some of these comments, the serious ones. The season has been over almost 2 months and we seem to have forgotten how bad that team played. We beat two bowl team, Navy and Hawaii. We got clobbered by USC, MSU and BC. We lost several games in the last quarter that we should have won, and almost lost to Navy. The team had no spirit. Weis didn't relate to anyone on the team and few of his coaches. Clausen can't lead and motivate. Weis can't teach and motivate. And finally, we only have 16 commits the day before signing day.

Until ND administration takes a realistic view of what college football has become (the minor league for the NFL) and decide to participate, or not, we will all suffer one frustrating year after another.

 

[KajuNM]

His play calling........

 

[chyrspchuck]

cricket, cricket, cricket......hilarious this thread is dead quite after he lands the biggest whale in ND history. Well besides one troller up above me.....

 

[phork]

This is the year. Whether we go 0-12 or 12-0, this is the year that makes or breaks Charlie Weis. There are no more excuses. He has plenty of classes underneath him now, there is now plenty of experience at most positions. Its put up or find the schematic advantage plan to get the hell out of SouthBend.

 

[phork]

cricket, cricket, cricket......hilarious this thread is dead quite after he lands the biggest whale in ND history. Well besides one troller up above me.....

Dood, no one hates the guy. He stands for everything ND. Its the fact that somehow he has lost his "schematic advantage" muscle, and we can't compete with teams we should be beating. We can hardly compete with teams we should be destroying. As I stated in the above post, this is the year, Make Or Break.

 

[chyrspchuck]

Phork,

I think your a cool guy and all but sometimes, I do think people on the thread hate Charlie, because he's an easy target, a hugely overweight guy, that isn't very good looking, that has 2 bad seasons at the school they love above all else, and he's very arrogant. Sometimes he can rub people the wrong way and sometimes he's an easy target for the players we had on the field. Like I say every week on here, I think now that those last remaining players of Ty's are gone we will have a fresh start, not only that, our season for next year is set up nicely. I do agree it's make or break. I don't know you well enough to know if you hate Charlie or not so I believe if you say you don't hate him, then you don't. I just think it's funny that he lands Manti and now all the sudden nobody is writing a word.

 

[TDHeysus]

the difference between Weis, and all the other coaches. Weis is cutting out his own legacy, and that may hurt some incumbants. Change is a painful process. Weis isnt trying to hold on the the previous regimes success(davie). Weis is not a coach that can only get 3 star talent(Willingham). Weis is doing his own thing, ND is a pro-style offense now. Not west coast, not a running team, a pro-style (that will breed/attract pro-caliber talent) and its going to take time. Heck, I still want ND to run the 400yards/game, but it isnt going to happen. But I'm young enough to know that change is not always a bad thing. Here is something else that needs to be put out there...The team has lacked continuity and an identity since Holtz left. Partilally because there has been no coach that has been able to establish himself, and the program. By lynching/firing Weis, you actually hurt Notre Dame more, by continuing this viscious cycle of revolving coaches. face reality, weis has the build the program from nothing. The last program was the holtz program, and its long gone.

 

[chyrspchuck]

I agree TDHeysus....a buddy and I were talking this morning about that. too bad Charlie or Urban couldn't have come in right after Lou and just grinded it out. Instead putting Davie and Willingham in place we hurt ourselves.....over and over with that vicious cycle.

 

[phork]

While I agree that stability in coaching is a great thing for a program, it can also lead to stagnation. Charlie has had the, in my opinion, the necessary 5 years to get where we need to be.

 

[WabashFalcon]

While I agree that stability in coaching is a great thing for a program, it can also lead to stagnation. Charlie has had the, in my opinion, the necessary 5 years to get where we need to be.

I disagree. This is the first time he has truly been able to call this HIS team. Previously, he had been working with Ty Willingham's classes. Give him two more years. If it doesn't work, then it is time to move on.

 

[TDHeysus]

Stagnation? ...I see recruits progressively getting better and better. Higher caliber talent progression (ex. of progressively getting better - Sam Young, Clausen, M Floyd, Te'o). Our recruiting process has went from 'get anything and everything because we need it all' to 'lets fills some gaps, stockpile talent, re-assert the ND national presence, take from USC'. Davie, Willingham did none of those. The smoke cloud that has existed over this football program for so long, has made it hard to see thru the haze. There is progression there, it just doesnt happen overnight. Stability is something that ND has lacked for quite sometime. If weis were to be fired....all this starts all over again. then we all get to start making threads that say stuff like "this is rebuilding year", and "....in 2 years we're gonna right there, you'll see!" . Let me say this, and please tell me if you can contradict my statement. as far as recruiting and on-hand talent, Notre Dame has not been in a better position since 1995. i think if you agree with that statement (or cannot dismiss) you have to agree that Weis had done, at the very least an adequate job, and certainly does not warrant him being fired.

 

[TDHeysus]

Give him two more years. If it doesn't work, then it is time to move on.

I agree completely, he needs 2 more years to give him the proper time to see this thru. anything less than that, will set us back years in recruiting and in my opinion, that setback is not worth it. the ground ND has made over the last 4 years in the recruiting game, is too valuable to just give up, and start over....again.

 

[phork]

What I mean by stagnation is that while we get an OK crop of recruits, its whats being done on the field in regard to results. 5 years is plenty of time to get the job done. And don't make me pull out examples, there are lots to be seen.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Stagnation happened somewhere. ND lost to Navy in 07. I think they going to get better, but to drop so far?

 

[chyrspchuck]

2008? We didn't lose to Navy.....now 2007, I don't even want to talk about that.

 

[gairish]

Charlie

Charlie

Our practice talent has been a big issue on getting these guys better, you cant practice 1st team against 1st team all the time. What I mean is you have to have depth to push each other and make practice hard, these last few years the 1st team has pretty much been set and these guys are smart enough to know they are what we will be putting out there every Sat. Now when you start getting depth and contests for starting positions the real 1st team takes the field on Sat. I dont want to belittle any Notre Dame men of these last few years but some of the games I saw there was not much on the bench to fill in or compete. Yes the 1st wave was as good as the opposition but when I put the binoulars on the bench the talent drop off was obvious. Under Willingham ( not to beat a dead horse ) it was huge. I remember years past when the O line was working out before a game you couldnt tell the starters from the backups. Under Holtz/Davie I remember watching Roesanthal, Pettigout, Black ect. and seeing 3-4 other guys that looked like their clones who didnt start, thats the difference and thats what Charlie is starting to stockpile. They used to say that practices under Lou would have been the price of an admission ticket. Trust me if Charlie can get a level playing field with talent he will win, and win alot. Your only as could as how you practice and if you dont have to push to excell in practice the games are are harder because you are not used to going up against equal ability.

 

[ACamp1900]

I dislike that he has yet to win a national title.... that's about it

 

[gairish]

Charlie

Charlie

To back up my point check the article on Scout about the starting lineups for next year. The idea is not what the lineup will actually be but the talent pool that is being assembled for practice competition. Its amazing how far we have come the last 3 years. You may be looking at one of the finest teams in the country if coached right and motivated.

 

[NDOM]

To back up my point check the article on Scout about the starting lineups for next year. The idea is not what the lineup will actually be but the talent pool that is being assembled for practice competition. Its amazing how far we have come the last 3 years. You may be looking at one of the finest teams in the country if coached right and motivated.

Yeah thats a HUGE HUGE HUGE IF! And even IF it is coached right and motivated right I still say we are far from the top 5 teams in the country. Just sayin. I'm not saying we cant be good or great but we dont have the experience yet to compete with the big boys.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

Yeah thats a HUGE HUGE HUGE IF! And even IF it is coached right and motivated right I still say we are far from the top 5 teams in the country. Just sayin. I'm not saying we cant be good or great but we dont have the experience yet to compete with the big boys.

i agree with you.

i know everyone hates this term, but a 'young team' can look awful with the best talent in the country. the starting lineup is filling up with JRs and SRs which will payoff in the long run. having players that can be considered a veteran can only be a good thing for the 2009 season (not so much for those years they're starting as FR and SO). i hope the coaching changes really make an impact this year.

expectations will be high in everyone's mind, not just the fans this year. we can only speculate until september but honestly believe having this many upperclassmen starting will make a bigger impact than the coaching itself. we'll have more leadership and accountability amongst the players themselves. i could be wrong, but it's a good bet to assume this will happen.

we won't be top 5 material in terms of our record, but we'll be playing with the big boys in 2010 for sure. if not, something major needs to be done.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I agree completely, he needs 2 more years to give him the proper time to see this thru. anything less than that, will set us back years in recruiting and in my opinion, that setback is not worth it. the ground ND has made over the last 4 years in the recruiting game, is too valuable to just give up, and start over....again.

I tend to agree with Wabash and TDHeysus on this one. Actually, I agree with all the last few posts. Choir.

But I also dislike Charlie when he doesn't wear the shoes I like.

And his lack of a creative blocking scheme. And lack of misdirection and better use of his offensive "talent."

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

But I also dislike Charlie when he doesn't wear the shoes I like.[/SIZE]

spot on