It's OFFICIAL. Clausen NOT GOOD. ACAMP & PADOMERNUT defend him

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Let me preface this by saying the QB competition should be opened this spring. Clausen needs to be pushed to improve his faults or he needs to be surpassed on the depth chart.


However the bashing of this kid is getting old. He has thrown 17 picks, didn't Matt Ryan throw 19 last year? Not saying he is anywhere near Ryan but sheesh maybe a little something to mull over. He Has the Worst Blocking and Running Game support of any QB in the nation. Name me anyone else who has it worse? Floyd getting hurt killed our offense, and i'm sorry but Tate didn't get open for sh!t last night. He was running for his life, had no running game to fall back on, and his receivers barely ever got opened. He has his faults at reading defenses, and forcing things but maybe an offseason focusing on those things instead of nursing his arm back to 100% will help? I'm sorry but other than the turnovers I don't think any other QB in America would have done any better behind Clausen was playing with last night.
 

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Lets face it CW is not going to give another QB a shot, he's going to give Clausen every chance to make it. Why you ask? Because he recriuted him and it makes CW look good if he makes it and that's the way it is. I agree with everyone there needs to be open and fair tryouts for the job.
 

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Oline is subpar to say the least... and did Brady look at all this good his Sophmore year?
 

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He Has the Worst Blocking and Running Game support of any QB in the nation. Name me anyone else who has it worse?

Washington State!

Sacks Allowed:

WSU: 43, or 3.31 a game

ND: 20, or 1.67 a game

Rushing:

WSU: 95.8 yards per game

ND: 113.42 yards per game

I'm sure there are others........but this one kind of stuck out to me.
 

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Lets face it CW is not going to give another QB a shot, he's going to give Clausen every chance to make it. Why you ask? Because he recriuted him and it makes CW look good if he makes it and that's the way it is. I agree with everyone there needs to be open and fair tryouts for the job.

He also recruited they other QB's that are on the bench. He needs to play the best guy in order to look good. I highly doubt that Weis is playing Clausen due to the fact that if he suceeds Weis looks good. If the team does well, he will get all of the credit.
 

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I don't care to chime in here really....

but why the call out???? Did I get nominated as master defender???
 

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I found this on Wikipedia so who knows if it's true:

On April 22, 2006, Clausen verbally committed to the University of Notre Dame.[13] He was the most highly touted recruit for the Fighting Irish since the arrival of Ron Powlus in 1993.[14] Clausen announced his oral commitment at the College Football Hall of Fame in South Bend, Indiana, after arriving in a stretch Hummer limousine and sporting a white fur coat and multiple rings on his fingers. He also said his goal was to win four national titles with the Irish.[2]

Tell me he wasn't wearing a fur coat please?
 

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I found this on Wikipedia so who knows if it's true:

On April 22, 2006, Clausen verbally committed to the University of Notre Dame.[13] He was the most highly touted recruit for the Fighting Irish since the arrival of Ron Powlus in 1993.[14] Clausen announced his oral commitment at the College Football Hall of Fame in South Bend, Indiana, after arriving in a stretch Hummer limousine and sporting a white fur coat and multiple rings on his fingers. He also said his goal was to win four national titles with the Irish.[2]

Tell me he wasn't wearing a fur coat please?

metrosexuals and football don't mix.
 

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I have to agree with NDsuperfan09, this bashing w/ Jimmy Clausen gets old. First impressions are going to last forever (the way he came in) and that is something that he will have to deal with. I do agree that there should be an open competition next year and the best QB should get to play. Hold on all you Dayne Crist lovers, don't think he will be our savior, and again I will remind you that Crist only played 2 years in high school. I believe that if Crist was our QB this year he would've had the same year- our OL was mediocre and our running game sucked.
By the way I will probably get a lot of b.s. for this, but to me Brady Quinn was not a full time college QB. Yeah he broke all the records at ND, but records are meant to be broken. What is more important in college football records or winning?? How many wins did Quinn get against Michigan?? How many times did he lead us to beat USC?? How many bowl games did he lead us to win??
Clausen needs to work on his passing decisions- be more open minded if his #1 receiver is covered and be a better team leader. He only just finished his sophomore year.
 

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again in this thread.

Go ahead. It will be fun.

20 TDS 17 INTs against an easy schedule thus far. I expect it to get worse shortly.

This will be fun..Can you name me one QB be successful with a non-existent run game? Every game that ND has been able to run semi-effectively, Clausen has been spot on...When our running game isn't working, he's trying to make plays cuz he knows he's the only chance we have even though our opponents are dropping 8...He has a hell of an arm and is still progressing. I mean seriously must there be anymore to be said?
 

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After reading the comments, I too do agree that CW needs to have a competition for the job..at least in the spring..it will make JC more hungry and help Dayne progress (I think he's going to be a great one)..There are brighter days ahead my friends.
 

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Clausen2Kamara thank you for finally making sense. The toughest job in college football is the ND head coach and the second toughest job is the ND QB. Clausen is still learning and will progress. I do believe that Dayne Crist will be a great QB as well. This board also needs a Clausen2Floyd, Clausen2Tate, and soon Clausen2Evans.....once our offense clicks (when our running game shines) we have the potential to be dangerous.
 

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Clausen2Kamara thank you for finally making sense. The toughest job in college football is the ND head coach and the second toughest job is the ND QB. Clausen is still learning and will progress. I do believe that Dayne Crist will be a great QB as well. This board also needs a Clausen2Floyd, Clausen2Tate, and soon Clausen2Evans.....once our offense clicks (when our running game shines) we have the potential to be dangerous.

Thanks bro. I was thinking about changing my name to Clausen2Floyd but out of respect to Duval, I'll wait til he or JC graduates!!
 

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This offseason I want Weis to focus on two things with Clausen. Decision-Making, and reading defenses. I don't think anyone can question the kids talent, he needs to catch up mentally. He also nees to expand the playbook. More variety in the passing plays, and attack the middle of the field. If he does those two things Jimmy can turn this around rather quickly. It all starts with a decent or better showing in the bowl game.
 

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I am not a fan of Clausen. I thought he was overrated in high school on a very good team stacked with good players. The line has underperformed for JC, but many times (notably the past few games) it seemed as though he waited for pressure before making a decision, instead of going through his progressions he watched lineplay to much. This could be fixed through watching film and some coaching. Clausen needs to buy into what ND is trying to do, he needs to believe in the players around him, if he doesn't, get someone else who will, i have the perfect 6'5" 230 pound quarterback in mind ;)
 
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All you Jimmy Clausen faithful know that he is a 21 year old sophomore, right? The kid played his senior season as a 19 year old with guys like Marc Tyler and Sean Wiser who are at USC and Stanford, in division 11 (out of 13, one being the best) in California. Dayne Crist played in division 3 (I think) and played against much tougher competition, and didn't have Marc Tyler.

Face the facts. He's just a mediocre QB. He wasn't this "once in a decade" QB that he was hyped up to be. I saw them both Clausen and Crist play in high school on TV and in person, I have to say Crist was a much better QB in high school. There should be open competition, if Clausen turns out to be better more power to him, but I think Crist is ND's man if he just gets the chance. Also JC seems to think he's better than everyone, or at least that's what a fur coat and proclaiming his goal to win 4 NC's suggests.


Yes I am a troll.

Oh and Dayne Crist DOB - 10/09/1989
JC DOB - 09/21/1987

At least DC didn't have to be held back in the 6th grade either...
 

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All you Jimmy Clausen faithful know that he is a 21 year old sophomore, right? The kid played his senior season as a 19 year old with guys like Marc Tyler and Sean Wiser who are at USC and Stanford, in division 11 (out of 13, one being the best) in California. Dayne Crist played in division 3 (I think) and played against much tougher competition, and didn't have Marc Tyler.

Face the facts. He's just a mediocre QB. He wasn't this "once in a decade" QB that he was hyped up to be. I saw them both Clausen and Crist play in high school on TV and in person, I have to say Crist was a much better QB in high school. There should be open competition, if Clausen turns out to be better more power to him, but I think Crist is ND's man if he just gets the chance. Also JC seems to think he's better than everyone, or at least that's what a fur coat and proclaiming his goal to win 4 NC's suggests.


Yes I am a troll.

Oh and Dayne Crist DOB - 10/09/1989
JC DOB - 09/21/1987

At least DC didn't have to be held back in the 6th grade either...

Troll, you make some interesting points. Let me ask you this: Why was Div 11 good enough for Tyler and Wiser, but you bag on Clausen for playing in it?

I could care less about age, I care about experience. You are the same guy who said that Brady Quinn was mediocre when he was a soph, and he turned out to be a first round draft pick. And he has a running game. CLAUSEN HAS NO RUNNING GAME!!! What part of that don't you understand? Oh, and HE'S GOT ONE OF THE WORST LINES IN FOOTBALL!!! Go check out Bradford and TT's O-Lines. Huge difference.

I saw Crist and Clausen play also in h.s. Both were studs. Clausen's got a better arm; Crist runs better. Crist played against better comp, that is true. But remember this: Everybody loves the back-up QB, until he plays. Then HE is the one on the hot seat. Then HE will be the one facing tons of blitzes against that crappy line, with the defense having absolutely NO FEAR of the running game. I agree, opening up the comp in the spring hurts NOBODY, and should be done. I still see Clausen winning, but if he doesn't, I'll put all my support behind Crist. But I still see Clausen winning, simply because of his talent and his experience.

As far as Clausen's perceived cockiness, WTF? Why do people give a crap? Do you really watch football? Have you ever seen a great QB that wasn't assure of himself? Dan Marino was the cockiest SOB around, but he was stud. You think Montana wasn't cocky? Read up on him. He was very sure of himself, but he got the job done. Johnny United was probably worse than both those guys. JC is also sure of his abilities. I LOVE that. We need more of that. His teammates like him; that matters a lot. He came into ND sure of himself, and he said he WANTED to win 4 NC's. Good! Now he has to perform on the field. He was on fire, then teams adjusted to ND's offense, and the offensive coordinator didn't re-adjust. And JC hasn't played well since.

JC may very well turn out to be mediocre. But I'm not going to be so shortsighted to say that he IS mediocre, period. That would be stupid. I'll wait and see...
 

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Troll, you make some interesting points. Let me ask you this: Why was Div 11 good enough for Tyler and Wiser, but you bag on Clausen for playing in it?

I could care less about age, I care about experience. You are the same guy who said that Brady Quinn was mediocre when he was a soph, and he turned out to be a first round draft pick. And he has a running game. CLAUSEN HAS NO RUNNING GAME!!! What part of that don't you understand? Oh, and HE'S GOT ONE OF THE WORST LINES IN FOOTBALL!!! Go check out Bradford and TT's O-Lines. Huge difference.
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i thought b. quinn was a 2nd round draft pick?
 
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Troll, you make some interesting points. Let me ask you this: Why was Div 11 good enough for Tyler and Wiser, but you bag on Clausen for playing in it?

I could care less about age, I care about experience. You are the same guy who said that Brady Quinn was mediocre when he was a soph, and he turned out to be a first round draft pick. And he has a running game. CLAUSEN HAS NO RUNNING GAME!!! What part of that don't you understand? Oh, and HE'S GOT ONE OF THE WORST LINES IN FOOTBALL!!! Go check out Bradford and TT's O-Lines. Huge difference.

I saw Crist and Clausen play also in h.s. Both were studs. Clausen's got a better arm; Crist runs better. Crist played against better comp, that is true. But remember this: Everybody loves the back-up QB, until he plays. Then HE is the one on the hot seat. Then HE will be the one facing tons of blitzes against that crappy line, with the defense having absolutely NO FEAR of the running game. I agree, opening up the comp in the spring hurts NOBODY, and should be done. I still see Clausen winning, but if he doesn't, I'll put all my support behind Crist. But I still see Clausen winning, simply because of his talent and his experience.

As far as Clausen's perceived cockiness, WTF? Why do people give a crap? Do you really watch football? Have you ever seen a great QB that wasn't assure of himself? Dan Marino was the cockiest SOB around, but he was stud. You think Montana wasn't cocky? Read up on him. He was very sure of himself, but he got the job done. Johnny United was probably worse than both those guys. JC is also sure of his abilities. I LOVE that. We need more of that. His teammates like him; that matters a lot. He came into ND sure of himself, and he said he WANTED to win 4 NC's. Good! Now he has to perform on the field. He was on fire, then teams adjusted to ND's offense, and the offensive coordinator didn't re-adjust. And JC hasn't played well since.

JC may very well turn out to be mediocre. But I'm not going to be so shortsighted to say that he IS mediocre, period. That would be stupid. I'll wait and see...

Age is a big deal. There is a big difference between 21 years old and 19 years old, same goes for 19 years old and 17 years old. A 19 year old should play pretty well in high school over a 17 year old. The argument that JC is "young" and a true sophomore isn't that great of one because he's 21, not 20 like every other true freshman. On top of this, I bet you anything Evan Sharpley would be playing just as well as Jimmy Clausen right now. What does this say about "the kid with the golden arm"?

Marc Tyler isn't starting running back for USC as a sophomore is he? He's 4th or 5th string. Sean Wiser is alright, but let's not confuse Stanford with ND. ND gets a much, much better recruiting class every year.

I keep hearing all this talent Jimmy Clausen has. Honestly open your eyes. He is overrated. I've seen the ND games this year, and Clausen's ability to consistently turn over the ball has really not helped ND win very many games this year at all. I get it, he's a true sophomore, a 21 year old true sophomore. Don't forget though he has been called the "once in a decade" QB. Crist should get a chance next spring to start, I doubt it happens though. All hell would break loose. Jimmy is the man after all...

As for the cockiness, it goes a bit beyond that. He went to the level of arrogant douche bag and you know it. What kind of senior in high school comes to his new college in a stretch limo with a fur coat and proclaims his goal to win 4 national championships in college football? Just because of shit like this I'm glad Jimmy Clausen is failing to be honest. One of my friends friend goes to ND also, she has a class with JC and what she says about him doesn't really make me change my mind.

The fact is Crist is a better athlete, has more talent and should get a shot to start next year. It would be better for ND football. Oh and in JC's final state game without Marc Tyler in high school, he played like dog shit.
 

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Clausen2Kamara thank you for finally making sense. The toughest job in college football is the ND head coach and the second toughest job is the ND QB. Clausen is still learning and will progress. I do believe that Dayne Crist will be a great QB as well. This board also needs a Clausen2Floyd, Clausen2Tate, and soon Clausen2Evans.....once our offense clicks (when our running game shines) we have the potential to be dangerous.

You know..maybe 10 years ago...this was at least considered the toughest job in college football...no more. ND football is for the large part..irrevelant unless you live in South Bend. I bet the Notre Dame Broadcasting Channel (NBC) would like their money back.
 

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You know..maybe 10 years ago...this was at least considered the toughest job in college football...no more. ND football is for the large part..irrevelant unless you live in South Bend. I bet the Notre Dame Broadcasting Channel (NBC) would like their money back.

Well they ain't gettin they money back because ND is ND. Notre Dame Broadcasting Channel wants ND on their station and not your school. Deal with it. ND is so irelevent that you choose to go on a ND board and bash the school. How nice.
 
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Age is a big deal. There is a big difference between 21 years old and 19 years old, same goes for 19 years old and 17 years old. A 19 year old should play pretty well in high school over a 17 year old. The argument that JC is "young" and a true sophomore isn't that great of one because he's 21, not 20 like every other true freshman. On top of this, I bet you anything Evan Sharpley would be playing just as well as Jimmy Clausen right now. What does this say about "the kid with the golden arm"?

Marc Tyler isn't starting running back for USC as a sophomore is he? He's 4th or 5th string. Sean Wiser is alright, but let's not confuse Stanford with ND. ND gets a much, much better recruiting class every year.

I keep hearing all this talent Jimmy Clausen has. Honestly open your eyes. He is overrated. I've seen the ND games this year, and Clausen's ability to consistently turn over the ball has really not helped ND win very many games this year at all. I get it, he's a true sophomore, a 21 year old true sophomore. Don't forget though he has been called the "once in a decade" QB. Crist should get a chance next spring to start, I doubt it happens though. All hell would break loose. Jimmy is the man after all...

As for the cockiness, it goes a bit beyond that. He went to the level of arrogant douche bag and you know it. What kind of senior in high school comes to his new college in a stretch limo with a fur coat and proclaims his goal to win 4 national championships in college football? Just because of shit like this I'm glad Jimmy Clausen is failing to be honest. One of my friends friend goes to ND also, she has a class with JC and what she says about him doesn't really make me change my mind.

The fact is Crist is a better athlete, has more talent and should get a shot to start next year. It would be better for ND football. Oh and in JC's final state game without Marc Tyler in high school, he played like dog shit.


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Age is a big deal. There is a big difference between 21 years old and 19 years old, same goes for 19 years old and 17 years old. A 19 year old should play pretty well in high school over a 17 year old. The argument that JC is "young" and a true sophomore isn't that great of one because he's 21, not 20 like every other true freshman. On top of this, I bet you anything Evan Sharpley would be playing just as well as Jimmy Clausen right now. What does this say about "the kid with the golden arm"?

Marc Tyler isn't starting running back for USC as a sophomore is he? He's 4th or 5th string. Sean Wiser is alright, but let's not confuse Stanford with ND. ND gets a much, much better recruiting class every year.

I keep hearing all this talent Jimmy Clausen has. Honestly open your eyes. He is overrated. I've seen the ND games this year, and Clausen's ability to consistently turn over the ball has really not helped ND win very many games this year at all. I get it, he's a true sophomore, a 21 year old true sophomore. Don't forget though he has been called the "once in a decade" QB. Crist should get a chance next spring to start, I doubt it happens though. All hell would break loose. Jimmy is the man after all...

As for the cockiness, it goes a bit beyond that. He went to the level of arrogant douche bag and you know it. What kind of senior in high school comes to his new college in a stretch limo with a fur coat and proclaims his goal to win 4 national championships in college football? Just because of shit like this I'm glad Jimmy Clausen is failing to be honest. One of my friends friend goes to ND also, she has a class with JC and what she says about him doesn't really make me change my mind.

The fact is Crist is a better athlete, has more talent and should get a shot to start next year. It would be better for ND football. Oh and in JC's final state game without Marc Tyler in high school, he played like dog shit.


I want to see Crist compete and push JC. JC still has alot of room for improvement but is definitely showing progress from year one. He has had alot of passes dropped and about a third of his Int's are due to his WR's (primarily Kamara). If he had a few breaks he would have 25 TD's, 3000 yards and no more than 12 INts. These numbers blow away any other QB's at ND except for Brady Quinn in his Jr and Sr. season. This despite an inferior line, no
running game, a freshman TE and Floyd out for 3 games. Think about it. When you look at it that way he looks darn good. I will say some of his INT's were very untimely and that he looks the ball into his receivers too much and throws the ball away too early.
 

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Age is a big deal. There is a big difference between 21 years old and 19 years old, same goes for 19 years old and 17 years old. A 19 year old should play pretty well in high school over a 17 year old. The argument that JC is "young" and a true sophomore isn't that great of one because he's 21, not 20 like every other true freshman. On top of this, I bet you anything Evan Sharpley would be playing just as well as Jimmy Clausen right now. What does this say about "the kid with the golden arm"?

Marc Tyler isn't starting running back for USC as a sophomore is he? He's 4th or 5th string. Sean Wiser is alright, but let's not confuse Stanford with ND. ND gets a much, much better recruiting class every year.

I keep hearing all this talent Jimmy Clausen has. Honestly open your eyes. He is overrated. I've seen the ND games this year, and Clausen's ability to consistently turn over the ball has really not helped ND win very many games this year at all. I get it, he's a true sophomore, a 21 year old true sophomore. Don't forget though he has been called the "once in a decade" QB. Crist should get a chance next spring to start, I doubt it happens though. All hell would break loose. Jimmy is the man after all...

As for the cockiness, it goes a bit beyond that. He went to the level of arrogant douche bag and you know it. What kind of senior in high school comes to his new college in a stretch limo with a fur coat and proclaims his goal to win 4 national championships in college football? Just because of shit like this I'm glad Jimmy Clausen is failing to be honest. One of my friends friend goes to ND also, she has a class with JC and what she says about him doesn't really make me change my mind.

The fact is Crist is a better athlete, has more talent and should get a shot to start next year. It would be better for ND football. Oh and in JC's final state game without Marc Tyler in high school, he played like dog shit.

Dude, you make these wild statements like they are indeed fact, set in stone. How do you know that Sharpley would be doing better? "You'll bet me anything?" Tell me, how do you know? Sharpley sucked last year behind that awful O-LINE, just like JC did. Hey guess what genius: YOU NEED AN O-LINE THAT'S AT LEAST HALFWAY DECENT TO SUCCEED! I really wish you knew the game so we could have a decent discussion.

About Tyler, first off, he's not a soph, he's a redshirt freshman. He was injured all last year. Second of all, he's that deep on the depth chart because he chose the wrong school to go to. Did you see what he did to our first string defense? That kid is a straight up stud. He was all ND until mommy stepped in. Look it up.

Another set in stone statement of yours: rist is more talented. How do you know? Because he did well in high school? So did Mitch Mustain. So did a ton of other kids. Are you at practice or something? JC might turn out to be a bust, but he was labeled that good for a reason. He's got talent. He's got a fantastic arm. And he was busting teams up for 250+ a pop until teams adjusted to our pathetic play-calling. ND (including JC) hasn't adjusted back.

You can ignore the Quinn parallels all you want. You ignore what Colt McCoy did as a sophomore as well (look it up), and you can even ignore what Carson Palmer (you know, first overall draft pick) did his first 3 years in college until Norm Chow showed up, but you just sound ignorant when you do. The QB position is the toughest on the football field to learn. It takes experience, not just age. After next year, if JC still struggles, then I will wave the white flag. But I've seen too many QB's blossom their jr and sr years to be that shortsighted as to write him off and say some untested freshman is better. Sorry. JC showed me during that 4 game stretch that he can be damn good (on the flip, he can also be damn bad; that's why I'm saying wait and see).

As for your freind that has a class with him, what is this, high school? You remember how h.s. is. Some people hate you and have this one perception of you because they see one side of you, and others love you. I guarantee you that you had people that disliked you for no apparent reason, and people that liked you. I'll go by what JC's teammates think and say about him over your friend; that's what matters in football.

BTW, I agree with your name, screw Stanford football. But they have a HELL of a football coach. He gets his guys to do what I WISH our guys would do: pancake block pancake block pancake block. You know they're going to run and they still shove it down your throats. I don't care what people think about him as a guy, the man can coach (and recruit)...
 

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I heard on ESPN this morning, but I can't remember who was talking but he said that JC is one of the best QB's in the country throwing the deep pass............
 

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Thank you for your opinion. Bye now.

Seriously bro. I'm so sick of these random posters who have no idea what they are talking about. They plainly do not make any sense. Would anybody outside of trolls believe that Dayne would lead us to a better record than JC? Of course not. I'm not bashing Dayne, (I think he has a lot of potential) but to say JC is mediocore is childish. He is a SOPHMORE, yes a 21 year old soph who cares? He has 1 1/2 years experience and played great when we had some kind of running game. After our first 5 games, teams clearly knew if they could stop the pass, they could stop us. Plain and simple. Therefore dropping 8 and letting their d-line still manage to get pressure on our pourous o-line. Yea they got better but not as much as we expected at all. I'm done now..
 
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