Scarcity of Obama signs in North Penna...

[Easton Pa ND Fan]

This thread started as a simple observation...

This thread started as a simple observation...

Thats funny that you said you counted. I did the same thing with my girlfriend just in our neighborhood and surrounding areas. I told her one day that all I notice if Obama/Biden signs so we counted on day. On our street alone which is about 500 yards there is 12 Obama and 0 McCain. And in the area alone which is maybe 5 square miles: Obama/Biden 488 McCain/Palin 132!!!! Thats a huge advantage if ya ask me.

I drove every AAA & Rand McNally designated scenic road
across the northern third of Pennsylvania. The people
were absolutely friendly compared to my area of Pa (NY
influence?).

I'm registered as an independent, but the sheer number of
yard signs supporting McCain in every village and valley
took me by surprise. I tried to draw people out in
casual conversation.

There is a bitterness toward Harrisburg, the pork to
Philadelphia and the feeling that they have no voice
at all. I believe it is less Obama than the party
he represents.

My vacation intent was a fall foliage tour. The
scenery matched any New England Autumn and certain-
ly beat my beloved Poconos. I intend to do it
again next year without the sign counting...Tom

 

[Easton Pa ND Fan]

Lafayette Trust Bank Loan Officer...

Lafayette Trust Bank Loan Officer...

Apparently not, because you are discoursing quite well. (I choose irony and paradox over hyperbole. Hyperbole is gay. )

Is the above simply a quote from that article, or have you studied, lived, and understood what you just wrote? I am not messing with you. I really appreciate your input.

I am my own business owner. Raw, naked, hard working business. (No, not a booby bar yet)

I just get tired of rep and dem pre-manufactured responses.

I am trying to understand the process, the thinking, the bullshit.

Financially, I come from the poorest of the poor. But we were an intact family that had fun waking up everyday. I did not know the definition of poverty because of that. I am just trying to understand and delve beyond the standard bullshit.

Thanks for sharing.

and the continuing analysis columns appearing in the USA
TODAY newspaper are my sources (see "...").

When I went to my loan officer and asked why, with better credit than the mortgage appliers, I had to pay more on a secured business loan, I was shocked.


Ease up a tad on the hyperbole, it tends to mask the paradox and irony. I know you are trying to get through the 'noise'
and get to the 'why'...Tom

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

So vote for McCain after 8 years of Bush. :banghead2

Didn't your hear Junk. McCain told Obama that he is actually NOT Bush. Just because you hear something repeated over and over again, don't make it so.

If Clinton was president, would that make obama just like clinton? Nope.
It's a connection for those who are unwilling to get deeper involved in politics, and who go by soundbites.

 

[Junkhead]

Didn't your hear Junk. McCain told Obama that he is actually NOT Bush. Just because you hear something repeated over and over again, don't make it so.

If he votes the same way, what's the difference? He isn't Bush, but he supports too much corporate coddling and oil company ass-kissing for me. I just don't think McCain has enough new ideas. He's too old, he's out of touch with reality. And I would not trust Palin as pres. She's scary. I never said Obama is perfect far from it. He's getting my vote this time though. I am also voting for a few Republican's in local elections, its not like I'm some diehard lefty or righty. This country needs more people that can think for themselves. On that note, I swore off talking politics on here long ago, time to keep my promise!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

and the continuing analysis columns appearing in the USA
TODAY newspaper are my sources (see "...").

When I went to my loan officer and asked why, with better credit than the mortgage appliers, I had to pay more on a secured business loan, I was shocked.


Ease up a tad on the hyperbole, it tends to mask the paradox and irony. I know you are trying to get through the 'noise'
and get to the 'why'...Tom

It is a rare breed that can catch hyperbole and so politely call it out.

Thanks for the "real" examples and source. I will look it up.

I prefer the "understatement" and live it when I am not having fun on an internet website.

Thanks.

 

[notredomer23]

I will leave it at this, Obama scares me. He is anti democracy, anti constitution, anti everything what i believe. He is the definition of a socialist

 

[adsnorri]

I will leave it at this, Obama scares me. He is anti democracy, anti constitution, anti everything what i believe. He is the definition of a socialist

I just think he is more for the people than is McCain. He has shown over his life (as far as i know, which isn't too far) that he works for the people. I'm not a cynic...yet but i don't believe any politician is whole-heartedly clean of corruption. This to me is a problem with all politics, reps, dems and everyone in between. Obama seems to have called this out when he said it is time for the government to be afraid of the people, not the other way around.

 

[notredomer23]

I should have stated in my post, i dont like either of them...I dont like McCain, but I really dont at all like Obama. I do not agree with McCain on many things, but I dont agree with Obama on much more.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

With our current deficit, an economic recession, social security looming, Obama wanting to provide govt-run healthcare, a war going on...does anyone actually think the ONLY groups whose taxes are going to be raised (by the MOST liberal senator, Biden is # 3) is the top 5 and business? I don't think so.
Also, even most democrats say that taxes shouldn't be raised at all right now, ON ANYONE.
Hang on to your wallets.

 

[roto-stud]

If our country chooses to put a liberal super majority in the Congress and the White House, Ayn Rand famous novel "Atlas Shrugged" may indeed be the future of our country. Here is
Wikipedia's overview of the books message:

The main conflicts of the book surround the decision of the "men of the mind" to go on strike, refusing to contribute their inventions, art, business leadership, scientific research, or new ideas of any kind to the rest of the world. Society, they believe, hampers them by interfering with their work and underpays them by confiscating the profits and dignity they have rightfully earned. The peaceful cohesiveness of the world disintegrates, lacking those individuals whose productive work comes from mental effort. The strikers believe that they are crucial to a society that exploits them, denying them freedom or failing to acknowledge their right to self-interest, and the gradual collapse of civilization is triggered by their strike.
The novel's title is an allusion to the Greek Titan Atlas who was described as literally holding the celestial globe on his shoulders (as per Atlas), discussing what might happen if those holding up civilization suddenly decided to stop doing so. .
In the world of Atlas Shrugged, society stagnates when independent productive achievers began to be socially demonized and even punished for their accomplishments, even though society had been far more healthy and prosperous by allowing, encouraging and rewarding self-reliance and individual achievement. Independence and personal happiness flourished to the extent that people were free, and achievement was rewarded to the extent that individual ownership of private property was strictly respected.

 

[Irish Rogue]

I consider myself a moderate, but I really can't see how anyone with half a brain would think McCain/Palin would be better than the alternative. McCain is WAY past his prime and out of touch with reality, and Palin was thrust onto the spotlight for the sole reason of attempting to steal the disgruntled Hilary votes. Obama is intelligent and well spoken, and that alone is a huge step up from the current retard holding the presidency.

You're a dangerous maniac on the loose, quit saying you're a moderate with a stupid statement that you just made.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

You're a dangerous maniac on the loose...

Geez, talk about "hyperbole..."

As ACamp stated earlier, it's in the eyes of the beholder. We all come from differents walks or jogs or sprints of life. Junkhead's statement seems to reflect much of what I am hearing or reading.

I stated earlier that I thought Mack was a shoe-in, and even though I think his age and experience is his greatest advantage, I also noticed, and have heard others mention that he might be slowing down a bit. I hope not.

Checks and balances.

My earlier reference to "puppet on a lonely string" refers to the current Coldplay song. I read a discussion where a few people believe the song is a blatant song about Bush. "I used to rule the world..." This past weekend (I think - I am losin track of days), I watched one of those politcal type shows. Even Newt had nothing good to say about the current admin. Everyone seeems to be sprinting away from them (ok East Tom, a bit hyperbolic...)

Go USA.

NDOM's signature is appropriate here. (Can't remember it literally, but something about rivers merging?)

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I will leave it at this, Obama scares me. He is anti democracy, anti constitution, anti everything what i believe. He is the definition of a socialist

Thats ridiculous.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

If our country chooses to put a liberal super majority in the Congress and the White House, Ayn Rand famous novel "Atlas Shrugged" may indeed be the future of our country... In the world of Atlas Shrugged, society stagnates when independent productive achievers began to be socially demonized and even punished for their accomplishments, even though society had been far more healthy and prosperous by allowing, encouraging and rewarding self-reliance and individual achievement. Independence and personal happiness flourished to the extent that people were free, and achievement was rewarded to the extent that individual ownership of private property was strictly respected.

Nice, but your timing is off. You are saying that will happen if Obama wins. But it has already happened. I think we are looking for the cure right about now.

I read both Rand's classics. Twice.

You fountainhead you.

I also think Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead have more to do with private business. Some businesses don't know quality when they see it, and don't know atrocious management when they hire it. Blind loyalty, negligence, nepotism. Maybe?

They use talent until talent rebels, then the business fails. Possible.

Some people want to work, learn, and create. Some people want to let them, then go to happy hour with the other managers and smirk at the peons. When the worker leaves, they are left with sorting out the mess.

I am rambling. (Lord I was born a rambling man. Tryin to make a livin and doing the best I can. But when it's time for leavin, I hope you'll understand...)

-Just having some fun here.

 

[Junkhead]

You're a dangerous maniac on the loose, quit saying you're a moderate with a stupid statement that you just made.

I come to this site to talk about Notre Dame football. We are all here for that, but I can respect opposing views on anything. Stoney and me might be opposites politically, but it can be respectful. On the other hand, you have no place to preach MY political views to me. Take your 16 posts and shove them up your ass. Rush Limbaugh or Steven Colbert are not reality. Stop taking sides and political party talking points and grow up. Neither party is ever totally right, and you sound like a total jackrag even commenting on this.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I come to this site to talk about Notre Dame football. I can respect opposing views on anything. .. .

Now we're talkin!

 

[bluegold06]

I will leave it at this, Obama scares me. He is anti democracy, anti constitution, anti everything what i believe. He is the definition of a socialist

He is anti-guns, he is for partial birth abortions. Which just lets the kid die. Obama is telling everyone what they want to hear. Just wait if America votes in this idiot, they will see just what a Democratic, House, Senate, and President will be all about. Obama will help you if you are on wellfare, just like the Democrats, give everyone more of a reason not to work. Extend unemployment, free health care, don't get me started. Obama is an idiot and his voting record and the friends he chooses to hang around PROVE IT. He is definiton of LIBERAL !!!

 

[IrishFan4Life]

osama hates guns but loves selling crack to his bro's and ho's.

 

[FrankMA]

Thats ridiculous.

Ridiculous, what about the following facts!
Obama has:

1. In his book, admitted receiving career plans laid out for him by high school mentor and "father figure" Frank Marshall Davis, a longtime member of the Communist Party.
2. 20 years with his acknowledged mentor Rev. Wright's "God damn America" racist "church,
3. Lying on his Illinois Bar Application causing him to have to surrender his law license to stop further investigation,
4. In his book, he admits habitual marijuana and cocaine use, an addictive personality, violating US narcotics laws,
5. Personal financial dealings with felon Tony Rezko, convicted of money laundering,
6. $60,000 campaign contributions and support from socialist George Soros and family,
7. $$ Hundreds of thousands in campaign contributions from Franklin Raines's Fannie Mae, while the organization was violating accounting rules,
8. Funnelling $800,000 to the corrupt ACORN housing organization prosecuted for voter fraud, and under investigation for voter fraud in several "swing" states in this election.
10. Refusal to turn over a vault copy of his birth certificate to Philadelphia Court, to hide the facts about his citizenship,
11. Supported infanticide by voting 3 times in Illinois legislature to deny liquids or medical attention to living babies after botched abortions (one of the few times he didn't just vote "present"),
12. Political and board affiliations with unrepentant terrorist bomber William Ayers, who, in one of his books, claims he is a communist with a small C.

 

[bluegold06]

Ridiculous, what about the following facts!
Obama has:

1. In his book, admitted receiving career plans laid out for him by high school mentor and "father figure" Frank Marshall Davis, a longtime member of the Communist Party.
2. 20 years with his acknowledged mentor Rev. Wright's "God damn America" racist "church,
3. Lying on his Illinois Bar Application causing him to have to surrender his law license to stop further investigation,
4. In his book, he admits habitual marijuana and cocaine use, an addictive personality, violating US narcotics laws,
5. Personal financial dealings with felon Tony Rezko, convicted of money laundering,
6. $60,000 campaign contributions and support from socialist George Soros and family,
7. $$ Hundreds of thousands in campaign contributions from Franklin Raines's Fannie Mae, while the organization was violating accounting rules,
8. Funnelling $800,000 to the corrupt ACORN housing organization prosecuted for voter fraud, and under investigation for voter fraud in several "swing" states in this election.
10. Refusal to turn over a vault copy of his birth certificate to Philadelphia Court, to hide the facts about his citizenship,
11. Supported infanticide by voting 3 times in Illinois legislature to deny liquids or medical attention to living babies after botched abortions (one of the few times he didn't just vote "present"),
12. Political and board affiliations with unrepentant terrorist bomber William Ayers, who, in one of his books, claims he is a communist with a small C.

Frank you are the man, I wish we could get this to all the idiots thinking about voting for this Muslim son of a GOAT!!! Post this all over the web in the streets, AMERICA please stand up and vote in a president who will ACTUALLY SALUTE THE AMERICAN FLAG!!!!! AMERICA WAKE UP AND VOTE!! NOT FOR OBAMA !!! He is trying to "buy this election" with his corrupt campaign finance, probably getting plenty of contributions from the Middle East

 

[Junkhead]

Frank you are the man, I wish we could get this to all the idiots thinking about voting for this Muslim son of a GOAT!!! Post this all over the web in the streets, AMERICA please stand up and vote in a president who will ACTUALLY SALUTE THE AMERICAN FLAG!!!!! AMERICA WAKE UP AND VOTE!! NOT FOR OBAMA !!! He is trying to "buy this election" with his corrupt campaign finance, probably getting plenty of contributions from the Middle East

Ok, calm down Rush Jr. The Muslim stuff is ridiculous. Corrupt campaign finance? Private donations you mean? You need to step away from Fox News, quickly! lol It's going to be difficult for McCain following such a lame duck in Bush. I don't despise McCain, but his self-admitted lack of knowledge on economic matters and his support for continuing in Iraq with no goals, timeframe, plan etc, are what bother me. I don't think people are "idiots" for having different views, but the militant faux patriots like Rush and Coulter etc, are an embarrassment. Who wants to hear hate and bigotry all day? Some people eat that up though. Damn this bye week has been boring!!

 

[bluegold06]

Ok, calm down Rush Jr. The Muslim stuff is ridiculous. Corrupt campaign finance? Private donations you mean? You need to step away from Fox News, quickly! lol

you explain his $600 mil, ever seen him salute an American flag? I didn't think so. Go ahead vote for him, not me

 

[Junkhead]

Not that gestures should be a big deal, but why wasn't McCain wearing a flag pin at the last debate, while Obama was? Who really cares. I'm not going to change your mind, nor do I care to. Just the anger and resentment reeks of Rush. That fringe crap on both sides is as unpatriotic as can be.

 

[jboxer562]

who has the lead right now in NC? i also heard that mccain retookthe lead in ohio and florida.. is th is true?

it all doenst matter obama has too safe of a cushin in the elctoral college but it should still be interesting come election day.

MCCAIN/PALIN 08!!!!!

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

bluegold06, do you see the error in your fanaticism? regardless of being a republican or democrat that kind of expression is scary. while some points are true, preaching lies (i.e. being muslim) is simply wrong. that's the core of why washington needs a change.

personally, i support obama. i do so by promoting obama, not tearing down mccain and palin even when it was too easy after palin's tv interviews. of course not everyone does that, but it's important to think about. voting should be a rational process of logic that follows your beliefs. spitting off random and incorrect information get us nowhere. think about that.

am i the only one that feels like people dont honestly choose a political party to back? that most people just do so bc it's what they were socialized into. having grown up in TX and living in CA the last 8 i've seen it on both sides. it amazes me.

 

[FrankMA]

personally, i support obama. i do so by promoting obama, not tearing down mccain and palin even when it was too easy after palin's tv interviews.

After Palin's tv interviews? What about the things Joe Biden has said? he stated that Franklin Roosevelt got on tv after the stock market crash to talk to the American people. Anyone close to his age knows tv wasn't invented until the 1950's and there was no tv in 1929. How about his comment during the debate about a resturant he visits when he is back home to talk to the 'common' folks. The resturant closed in the 1980's. I believe he either lied about the resturant, which is a pretty bold thing to do on national television, or, even more likely, he actually believes he still visits the resturant. He is such a loose cannon and possible is very disturbed. Certainly not someone I would want a heart beat away from the Presidency.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

that's exactly what i'm talking about. i didnt go into a diatribe about palin. i just left it, and back comes the "what about this? and this? and this?" finger pointing isn't effective. i dont exempt democrats from making mistakes by mispeaking, telling lies etc. i mentioned the palin interviews bc it's well known she received a significant amount of backlash.

it's more important to have a discussion about politics than to run through the list of he said she said items. policy is more important than a story a politician uses to get his point across. for example, i'm sure biden knows and speaks to common citizens and has done so at a restaurant. he was relating to people. to harp on the name and status of a restaurant misses the point.

using charged words like disturbed just make your comments sound that much more fanatical. that doesnt help your argument. especially an argument that doesnt address the purpose of my post. how was the "palin interview" comment the only thing you decided to comment on? you just avoided a legitimate discussion point and turned the focus back on tearing people down instead of building up their candidate.

 

[ACamp1900]

Frank you are the man, I wish we could get this to all the idiots thinking about voting for this Muslim son of a GOAT!!! Post this all over the web in the streets, AMERICA please stand up and vote in a president who will ACTUALLY SALUTE THE AMERICAN FLAG!!!!! AMERICA WAKE UP AND VOTE!! NOT FOR OBAMA !!! He is trying to "buy this election" with his corrupt campaign finance, probably getting plenty of contributions from the Middle East

I agree with this side oviously but this will NOT turn into a name calling fest... no one, even Obama, ...

please keep it civil...

IT CAN HAPPEN, even in a political thread

 

[JeremyND07]

I voted for Bush the last (2) elections and I did not make that mistake again. I just finished my ballot and voted for Obama. I am Pro-Life and usually always vote with this in my mind. I kept an open mind this election and I had to vote with my wallet. This country cannot afford more tax cuts for the rich and oil companys while the middle class withers away to nothing. The middle class is the back bone of America and without a strong middle class this country will never thrive again!

 

[FrankMA]

that's exactly what i'm talking about. i didnt go into a diatribe about palin. i just left it, and back comes the "what about this? and this? and this?" finger pointing isn't effective. i dont exempt democrats from making mistakes by mispeaking, telling lies etc. i mentioned the palin interviews bc it's well known she received a significant amount of backlash.

it's more important to have a discussion about politics than to run through the list of he said she said items. policy is more important than a story a politician uses to get his point across. for example, i'm sure biden knows and speaks to common citizens and has done so at a restaurant. he was relating to people. to harp on the name and status of a restaurant misses the point.

using charged words like disturbed just make your comments sound that much more fanatical. that doesnt help your argument. especially an argument that doesnt address the purpose of my post. how was the "palin interview" comment the only thing you decided to comment on? you just avoided a legitimate discussion point and turned the focus back on tearing people down instead of building up their candidate.

You are right, she did receive a significant amount of backlash, and some of it is deserved; My point is that, Joe Biden can say the most outrageous things day in and day out, and gets a free pass from the news media. I was driving when I heard his story about Roosavelt. I laughed so hard I almost drove off the road. That story and the many outrageous things he said and continues to say never appear in a newscast or in any newspaper. They would be headline news if Sarah or John said them.

You are also correct when stating that the discussion about politics should mainly be about ideas. The main discussion in this election should center around the Marxist idea of redistribution of wealth espoused by one candidate and the free enterprise system. Since the redistribution ideas have failed everywhere else they have been tested in the world for nearly the last 100 years I favor the American free enterprise system which has worked well. When candidates talk about change, that is something that should never change. I do not however have a great love for the candidate I will vote for. He is, in my opinion, the lesser of two evils.

I grew up in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts and grew up in a family who was and is very liberal. My political views are my own gained over a lifetime of listening,reading, and learning. I have listened, read, and learned much about both candidates in this election and what scares me more than anything is how little most people know about either candidate with two weeks to go before they step into the voter booth.

My love for ND football did come from my family. I sat with my dad on Saturday afternoons listening to the Irish games on the radio. Oh, this was the 50's and we didn't yet have a tv.