Coaching!!!!???

[NDOM]

My aunt whom raised me most of my life, and who is great friends with a Notre Dame alum and ex Irish Guard told me something very interesting today.

To make a long story short, my catholic priest whom I also am good friends with graduated from Notre Dame and is great friends with a guy who played RB for the Irish in the 60's. I'm not going to say his name only to protect his identity. Anyway My aunt was talking with him and she asked him "Whats wrong with Notre Dame?" and this is what he said: "COACHING" plain and simple! Now this is coming from an ex player!

He said that it's "The worst coaching he has ever seen" at Notre Dame! Even worse than the Faust era! Take this how you will. This is TOTALLY legit.

Just thought I would share with some of you who dont think its coaching.

 

[Junkhead]

I'm torn between wanting to see the program grow and succeed, and thinking the current staff just doesn't get the players motivated. I keep hoping they prove that they can win and get the most out of the players, but it is still up in the air.

 

[Bubba]

Come on man. Couldn't we have done without one more thread dedicated to how our coaching sucks and we need to get rid of them all? Everyone's got an opinion, including ex-players, ex-coaches, the average fan. But geez, isn't this horse dead yet?

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

Hey, does you ex RB friend from the 60s know if I should have Qdoba tomorrow or not, because I wouldn't want to actually live my own life and just cheer for a football team, rather just be told what to do

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Yea I am with the others on this. I mean everyone has their own opinion. And frankly I dont take someone's word who played 40 years ago more seriously than anyone else. This seems a little redundent

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

If our coaching is so lousy, how did we get to two BCS games in a row?

 

[Bubba]

Get em while they're hot

Get em while they're hot

lets keep it goin'.


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[NDOM]

If our coaching is so lousy, how did we get to two BCS games in a row?

And didnt belong there obviously by the score.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

You're right, but we got there nonetheless. In Charlie's first year, we had U$C beat.

 

[SoCalDomer]

And didnt belong there obviously by the score.

no, the score is indicative of deserving to win, not deserving to be there. teams that win during the season get to go to bowl games. the number of wins determine whether you have standing to go to a BCS bowl, other bowl, or the NC game.

when a team loses badly in any one of those post-season games, it means they didn't deserve to win and that's all.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

agreed

 

[Shamrock44]

If our coaching is so lousy, how did we get to two BCS games in a row?

Agreed!

 

[phork]

We only got there by default. Personally I would have settled for a lesser bowl and a more possible victory.

 

[JeremyND07]

It kills me how the BCS games come up when they were with players Ty developed but it is Ty's fault that we do not have better players now. Can it really be both ways? Until Weis shows he can develop top talent he is not a good head coach...good offensive coor., yes...good coach....it is yet to be seen in my opinion!!!

 

[Irish52]

Anyone can coach a very good team and that's what Charlie Weis had his first two years. In his third year, he did not have the talent but some improvement should have been noted through 12 games provided good coaching and coaches were on top of their game. That didnt happen. Now we have outstanding players including 1st and 2nd year players and the coaching is pathetic. Charlie needs to quit making excuses---blaming the players for lack of execution---and start acting like a head coach. Fire the 'O" line coach..he's still teaching blocking methods used 30 years ago, the "O" coordinator is in over his head and The"D" coordinator still has a lot to learn. Stick with this bunch and you will be lucky to get 2 star recruits in the future. I suggest Charlie start watching Florida game film, LSU game film and USC game firm...you just might learn something about being a head coach. Yes, I am thoroughly disgusted when we lose to teams with a lot less talent than we have...and it's hurting our recruiting which is the lifeblood of any successful football program.

 

[NDOM]

How many times do you see a guard pull or any kinda different blocking scheme instead of just trying to push people forward? Navy and Air Force can run for christ sake and they dont nearly have the talent we do!!! TELL ME I'M WRONG and you're an idiot!!!!!

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Yes, I am thoroughly disgusted when we lose to teams with a lot less talent than we have...and it's hurting our recruiting which is the lifeblood of any successful football program.

I am not picking a fight, but what evidence do you have that we are being hurt in recruiting? We have some pretty good studs already in the fold and they don't seem to be wavering. And the ones we lost? Well, who knows what exactly went in to our decision. Cierre Wood is, in my opinion, one of the best players we have had in a long, long time and will be very, very special. Kid can flat out play and, along with guys like Stockton and Bullard and all the others, is a pretty good start to another solid recruitign class. You don't get even one kid like this to commit unless the coaches are doing a damn fine job of recruiting.

 

[Irish Rogue]

This offense has no imagination to it, ie misdirection plays, play action passes to the tight end. It ultimately boils down to the coaches developing the talent at hand, which needs to happen ASAP.

 

[Junkhead]

I am not picking a fight, but what evidence do you have that we are being hurt in recruiting? We have some pretty good studs already in the fold and they don't seem to be wavering. And the ones we lost? Well, who knows what exactly went in to our decision. Cierre Wood is, in my opinion, one of the best players we have had in a long, long time and will be very, very special. Kid can flat out play and, along with guys like Stockton and Bullard and all the others, is a pretty good start to another solid recruitign class. You don't get even one kid like this to commit unless the coaches are doing a damn fine job of recruiting.

I don't think we are being hurt in recruiting....yet. If we can't improve drastically this year, recruiting will suffer as people start to sour on the program's future. I agree that Cierre Wood is a stud, but we have Aldridge (5*), as well as Hughes, Allen, and Jonas Gray (All 4*), and there is no running game. The problem is deeper than recruits or experience.

 

[coachjohnson]

Everybody is a coach, unless your there and see what these players are doing and what the coaches are doing who are we to say they suck as coaches. I have seen first hand in practices and seen these coaches instruct these same players personnally. These players are taught the right way to do things, I also believe that players of old aren't the same as they are today. These players were toddlers or not even born the last time we won a title. These players have only been told the stories or seen highlight clips of what ND football was. These players have to step up their game, they have to BRING IT. I'm not one to blame the coaches for everything that goes wrong. I feel like they do an excellent job teaching these kids 1st hand, but it doesn't matter how much the coach knows if the players won't or don't execute. Every play is perfect when its on paper but if one player misses an assignment the play can go badly. But what do I know, just another opinion. We all have them. For the record I do believe in the Irish from the TOP to the bottom. We didn't lose to MSU because of coaching, we just didn't make plays.

 

[Junkhead]

. These players are taught the right way to do things, I also believe that players of old aren't the same as they are today. ys.

So the players didn't make plays to the tune of 16 yards rushing? There is something fundamentally wrong with ND's OL coaching, philosophy, or skill level. Assuming the coaching is good is short-sighted. There is a reason the run game is so bad. I expect and hope CW has an idea. Personally, I think its lack of offensive creativity, poor OL coaching, and predictable play-calling.

 

[coachjohnson]

So the players didn't make plays to the tune of 16 yards rushing? There is something fundamentally wrong with ND's OL coaching, philosophy, or skill level. Assuming the coaching is good is short-sighted. There is a reason the run game is so bad. I expect and hope CW has an idea. Personally, I think its lack of offensive creativity, poor OL coaching, and predictable play-calling.

So what your saying is that the problem is just coaching, and OL has nothing to do with it. The coaches can physically make them block their assignments and do exactly what their supposed to every play. I believe if their not blocking then their not putting all they have into it and are just missing assignments. The zone blocking scheme is a good blocking scheme and that's what their using. I know for certain they are taught how their supposed too, but let's blame coaching that's easier. As the season progresses I think you'll see the line improve. Only time will tell.

 

[Junkhead]

So what your saying is that the problem is just coaching, and OL has nothing to do with it. The coaches can physically make them block their assignments and do exactly what their supposed to every play. I believe if their not blocking then their not putting all they have into it and are just missing assignments. The zone blocking scheme is a good blocking scheme and that's what their using. I know for certain they are taught how their supposed too, but let's blame coaching that's easier. As the season progresses I think you'll see the line improve. Only time will tell.

Ok, then why do we still have a 110+ ranked rush game? Enlighten me.

 

[JeremyND07]

So what your saying is that the problem is just coaching, and OL has nothing to do with it. The coaches can physically make them block their assignments and do exactly what their supposed to every play. I believe if their not blocking then their not putting all they have into it and are just missing assignments. The zone blocking scheme is a good blocking scheme and that's what their using. I know for certain they are taught how their supposed too, but let's blame coaching that's easier. As the season progresses I think you'll see the line improve. Only time will tell.

It is not the talent because we consistantly get top OL talent so, either everyone of the palyers playing OL at ND were overrated coming out of HS, they are all lazy, or our OL coach is not doing his job!!!! It is obvouis to me that it is coaching, period!

 

[coachjohnson]

Ok, then why do we still have a 110+ ranked rush game? Enlighten me.

Effort, heart, hat & hand placement, not making secondary level blocks, standing around. But if you think even for an instant that these are things are not being taught then your just wrong. Using stats proves nothing about the coaching, it actually says more about the players. As the season progresses you'll see improvement, but something tells me that it's not really gonna make a difference for some.

 

[coachjohnson]

It is not the talent because we consistantly get top OL talent so, either everyone of the palyers playing OL at ND were overrated coming out of HS, they are all lazy, or our OL coach is not doing his job!!!! It is obvouis to me that it is coaching, period!

Do you think it's just coaching? Them alone?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Do you think it's just coaching? Them alone?

100 per cent with you coach. Thanks for sharing.

 

[JeremyND07]

Do you think it's just coaching? Them alone?

No, but I think it is 80% coaching and 20% players...players mimic their coaches intensity, coaches teach technique, and coach set-up the game plan. I agree the players should have more passion but to blame every player that has played the OL sense Latina has been here seems unrealistic too me...Latina carries most of the blame for ND's lack of a dominate OL.

I know OL takes a lot of heart because my brother was 6' 210 pounds and was first team all state his senior year. He improved 120% from his junior to senior year because his technique was perfect and he did not have to think about it anymore which he credits to GREAT coaching!

 

[brentlycat]

best execution of a gameplan Iv'e seen from our squad in years,now let's see if we can keep it going,build momentum and establish our identity.We got talent,that's obvious we just need to put in the work for starters and quit bangin are head against the wall.