'09 HI LB Manti Te'o (Notre Dame Man)

[greenandblue]

who weighs more? which ever of you is heavier is the one who's gut i'll trust

 

[SoCalDomer]

you guys have really developed guts. my gut only tells me when i'm hungry. and even then it's more of a rumble than actual talking.

 

[daytonirish]

My gut says until he drops the Irish from consideration then we have a chance. Unless some of those folks who guts tell them otherwise are family members, I won't give up on him.

 

[IrishAddiction]

My gut just goes off of what i have read.... i think his MOST important reason for choosing a school is that they offer him the ability to go on his mission. Pete Carrol has lied to players before with his promises, Charlie has not. BYU is a big possibility, im not positive but he might have a brother that already has pledged there JUCO style. All i know is ND is in the mix, and thats all i really care about.

 

[NDsuperfan09]

My gut just goes off of what i have read.... i think his MOST important reason for choosing a school is that they offer him the ability to go on his mission. Pete Carrol has lied to players before with his promises, Charlie has not. BYU is a big possibility, im not positive but he might have a brother that already has pledged there JUCO style. All i know is ND is in the mix, and thats all i really care about.

Pete Carroll is far from a clean recruiter but I don't think he has ever lied to players at least not like Urban Meyer. He sure pays well though.

 

[Axl Rose]

Pete Carroll is far from a clean recruiter but I don't think he has ever lied to players at least not like Urban Meyer. He sure pays well though.

I'm pretty sure he told Stanley Havili he could take his mission when he was recruiting him and than changed his mind once he got on campus.

 

[realitycheck]

I'm pretty sure he told Stanley Havili he could take his mission when he was recruiting him and than changed his mind once he got on campus.

False

PC was adamant that Havili could NOT take his mission if he came to SC, and Stanley agreed to postpone it until after college

 

[SoCalDomer]

which should tell Manti something about Pete Caroll. If Caroll changed his position on taking missions during college, which as you say he was "adamant" about, because Manti said it would be a deal breaker, then Manti should see that Pete has no principles and is willing to do and say anything to get a recruit.

If there was a legitimate reason to not letting Havili go on his mission, then the same should hold true for Manti. Don't be surprised if Manti is discouraged from going on his mission if he ended up at USC.

 

[irishmarine]

if he holds his church close to his heart then he will know he cant go to sc

 

[NDFan78]

if he holds his church close to his heart then he will go to BYU

 

[realitycheck]

which should tell Manti something about Pete Caroll. If Caroll changed his position on taking missions during college, which as you say he was "adamant" about, because Manti said it would be a deal breaker, then Manti should see that Pete has no principles and is willing to do and say anything to get a recruit.

If there was a legitimate reason to not letting Havili go on his mission, then the same should hold true for Manti. Don't be surprised if Manti is discouraged from going on his mission if he ended up at USC.

Manti was ecstatic when Pete told him he'd be allowed to serve his mission, so wishful thinking on your part

 

[SoCalDomer]

You need to read what I said. There's no wishful thinking on my part, as I didn't say anythig that I hope comes true.

I said it wouldn't surprise if after Manti chose USC (meaning after he signs) that he would be discouraged from going on the mission.

I believe the only reason why Pete would all of a sudden change the "no mission" policy he's held since he's been at USC has everything to do with what kind of a player Manti is, and not some soft spot in Pete's heart.

If Manti chooses USC, I hope he is still able to go on his mission if he wants it. But it would not surprise me if he had pressure against it from USC after he signed there.

 

[realitycheck]

Of course they'll probably try and get him to stay, coaches are in the business of winning games, not trying to please the LDS church.

 

[SoCalDomer]

it's not about pleasing the LDS church, it's about being honest with recruits.

your statment proves my point that Pete has no principles and will say and do whatever to get a recruit, even if it means completely flip flopping on a long standing policy. so why should Manti believe that Pete will keep his word and keep a scholarship for him if Manti takes his mission?

wouldn't make me feel comfortable if it was me.

 

[realitycheck]

There's a huge difference between trying to get him to stay and forcing him to stay.

 

[SoCalDomer]

true. they can't force him to stay. but they could decide not to give him a scholarship when he came back from his mission. the scholarship offers are renewed year to year. so they wouldn't have to give him a scholarship when he was done with his mission.

be that as it may, this is all academic until he chooses a school. let's wait and see.

 

[realitycheck]

That's a two-way street for any school he chooses, and is one of the reasons why letting a player go on a mission is so risky. Once the mission is over he is free to sign with any school he wants

 

[irishmarine]

i hope he chooses us and stays with us!

 

[OhioBlueGold]

That's a two-way street for any school he chooses, and is one of the reasons why letting a player go on a mission is so risky. Once the mission is over he is free to sign with any school he wants

I'm not so sure about that... I think that technically in this situation before a player could play for another school he would need released from his original scholarship and specifically have clearance from the releasing school to play for the new school. And, obviously he would not receive clearance to play for an upcoming opponent. So, its a two-way street in this respect too.

 

[Synoptico]

Wasn't he supposed to make his visit known soon? Any idea on where he will visit or will he wait until after his HS season since he is flying so far?

 

[irishmarine]

is he coming for the michigan game too?

 

[irish4ever]

the scholarship offers are renewed year to year.

That's the key right there. This applies to ALL signees .... there is no "4 year guarantee". It may be implied that they are getting a 4-yr. scholarship (as long as they stay in good standing w/ grades, team rules, etc.), but it can be revoked by the school in any particular year.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I didn't know that.

 

[irishmarine]

nor i, but good info all together

 

[SoCalDomer]

For Te’o, mission is high on list of priorities
Aug 24, 2008 03:27 PM
By Brian McLaughlin
Sporting News

When it comes to the recruiting process, Manti Te’o is a bit unique. While academics and playing time are important—as they are with any football recruit—the Honolulu Punahou LB also wants to attend a school that is open-minded.

When it comes to the possibility that he may choose to go on a traditional two-year Mormon mission when he turns 19 years old, he wants to know if they would agree to it.

“I ask coaches, ‘If I want to go on my mission, would you support me?,” Te’o told Sporting News Today. “All of the schools that have offered have said it would be OK. Some of those programs that haven’t supported missions in the past have agreed to it.”

Te’o, a five-star prospect who is rated the No. 7 overall prospect in the nation by Rivals.com, will soon cut down his list of favorites from 32 scholarship offers to “around five”, he told SN Today.

He said he and his father will try to trim it down before September, when coaches can call more frequently. A coach’s response to his question about the mission, and the sincerity they’ve shown in the answer, could be the difference maker.

“I think some are (sincere), and some aren’t,” Te’o said. “Some have different intents, and right when I would get there they may try to persuade me otherwise.”

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[IrishAddiction]

Good article....some of those schools that may change their mind when u get there like say USC backing out of saying it was okay to go on a mission, or LSU saying ur going to be a defensive lineman but when u get there they give u to the offensive line and say deal with it.

 

[realitycheck]

Good article....some of those schools that may change their mind when u get there like say USC backing out of saying it was okay to go on a mission, or LSU saying ur going to be a defensive lineman but when u get there they give u to the offensive line and say deal with it.

as has been stated in this thread, no school can tell him he can't go on his mission. What they CAN tell him is that his scholarship will not be saved for when he returns from the mission. A player of Manti's skill level will not have to worry about not having a scholarship to return to after his mission, i'm sure teams will be lining up for him post-mission.

Also your point about LSU, coaches pick what position a player will play and thats how it should be. Kids should not be dictating to coaches what and where they will play. If a coach tells a recruit he will be able to get a shot at DL and then puts him with the OL on his first day on campus then that is wrong. But if the aforementioned player can't cut it at the position he preferred, I can't fault the coach for putting the kid at a position that will best help the team succeed. Thats what happened with Joe Barksdale at LSU (the situation i believe you're referring to)

 

[IrishAddiction]

as has been stated in this thread, no school can tell him he can't go on his mission. What they CAN tell him is that his scholarship will not be saved for when he returns from the mission. A player of Manti's skill level will not have to worry about not having a scholarship to return to after his mission, i'm sure teams will be lining up for him post-mission.

Also your point about LSU, coaches pick what position a player will play and thats how it should be. Kids should not be dictating to coaches what and where they will play. If a coach tells a recruit he will be able to get a shot at DL and then puts him with the OL on his first day on campus then that is wrong. But if the aforementioned player can't cut it at the position he preferred, I can't fault the coach for putting the kid at a position that will best help the team succeed. Thats what happened with Joe Barksdale at LSU (the situation i believe you're referring to)

what is wrong is when a school says they can go on the mission and have the kid sign the LOI but then pressure him afterwards not to go on the mission or his scholarship will not be there when he gets back. USC has done this before and Manti has even talked about it in some article im not taking the time to look up. And as for LSU the Barksdale situation was just that, he was told he would get to play defensive line and thats what they recruited him as, but never gave him a shot, even though he wanted to play DL. Last year we recruited a Nebraska LB signee as a FB, and he didnt accept our scholly bc of that. As a linebacker he might have signed, but our coaches are honest and have class. Barksdale link below

Scout.com: Barksdale Says, "I'm a Defensive Tackle!"

 

[Mattmags]

new article on Manti.

Top 5 include; BYU, SC, UCLA, Stanford and Notre Dame.

Scout.com: Te'o Trims List to Five

 

[phork]

Sweet.