Trump Presidency Round 2

[TorontoGold]

But he was working to take Trump down!

Everyone wants to see the Epstein files released except for IE MAGA.

 

[GATTACA!]

But he was working to take Trump down!

Everyone wants to see the Epstein files released except for IE MAGA.

No they want them released, this just isn’t incriminating for Trump because……….well I assume we’ll find out in about 12 hours after they’ve gotten their marching orders.

 

[drayer54]

It’s not incriminating for Trump. You want it to be. You show me credible evidence that someone was banging kids on that island and I have zero issue going after them. Question the fed chair. Question Lutnick. I’m just saying taking your family for lunch isn’t exactly a real exciting release. The NY Giants have some questions to answer. Gates has questions to answer. The whole nature of the wild Epstein claims towards the end when he was going after Trump are questionable at best without evidence, IMHO. If he had proof, he would have surfaced it to house dems. Biden era dems would have stuck it on every billboard. The logic just says it doesn’t exist, unless you just have a hatred of DT and want it to be true.

 

[TorontoGold]

lol the logic. Same logic that defaulted to Ilhan Omar coordinating a plot to have someone attack her in public? Faulty logic.

You guys lost your marbles about the Biden crime family and 10% for the big guy. You weren’t shown proof him receiving 10%. You still believed it. Now when it’s Dear Leader well you can’t question it because you don’t have a sex tape. Somehow Epstein was trying to take Trump down, but making a film with Trumps buddy Bannon??

 

[drayer54]

lol the logic. Same logic that defaulted to Ilhan Omar coordinating a plot to have someone attack her in public? Faulty logic.

You guys lost your marbles about the Biden crime family and 10% for the big guy. You weren’t shown proof him receiving 10%. You still believed it. Now when it’s Dear Leader well you can’t question it because you don’t have a sex tape. Somehow Epstein was trying to take Trump down, but making a film with Trumps buddy Bannon??

Same logic that said Joe fired the prosecutor, Hunter got paid for work he clearly wasn’t qualified for and circulated people for access. Worlds most accomplished painter and hooker banger who never had Joe on the calls, I mean talks about the weather. The logic you guys said you need audio and video before it’s a problem.

The Omar thing is my speculation based on what I’m seeing. It looked like exactly what it would look like if it were staged, IMHO.

Not only do we not have a sex tape, we don’t have witnesses, victims, photos, or the logic. If Epstein could have gathered dirt, he would have. Democrats have produced at least two in recent years “victims” that were highly discredited, but at least they found someone to poke. You have emails that never skim the topic. I don’t have a sex tape on the NY giants owner- but that sure looks bad. Gates sure looks bad. You have nothing on Trump.

We have more on Shady Reid Hoffman at this point-

 

[TorontoGold]

Same logic that said Joe fired the prosecutor, Hunter got paid for work he clearly wasn’t qualified for and circulated people for access. Worlds most accomplished painter and hooker banger who never had Joe on the calls, I mean talks about the weather. The logic you guys said you need audio and video before it’s a problem.

The Omar thing is my speculation based on what I’m seeing. It looked like exactly what it would look like if it were staged, IMHO.

Not only do we not have a sex tape, we don’t have witnesses, victims, photos, or the logic. If Epstein could have gathered dirt, he would have. Democrats have produced at least two in recent years “victims” that were highly discredited, but at least they found someone to poke. You have emails that never skim the topic. I don’t have a sex tape on the NY giants owner- but that sure looks bad. Gates sure looks bad. You have nothing on Trump.

We have more on Shady Reid Hoffman at this point-

No, I have always maintained that on it's face it's typical corrupt politician shit. Without the financial evidence of actual realization of returns it's just run of the mill selling access. Prosecute him for it. Trump tried to find a case and couldn't. I do not care for Joe Biden's life, put him in jail, execute him, whatever man.

You haven't looked at anything that the Epstein files have contained. There's pages of details of Trump's involvement. You have Musk begging him to hang out at his wildest party! He is the White Diddy and you have a person who has direct access to Trump wanting to experience his wildest party! You have Chief of Staff to Trump, Steve Bannon, making a documentary with him! How is that ok?

 

[LifelongFan]

Known creep Ratner, who Trump brought back to direct his Epstein prostitute's documentary, with Epstein.

 

[Irish#1]

But he was working to take Trump down!

Everyone wants to see the Epstein files released except for IE MAGA.

Everyone has already said they are for releasing the files and throwing the guilty in jail. Funny you’re bothered because there’s not constant posts saying that. Lol

 

[ozzman]

 

[TorontoGold]

Everyone has already said they are for releasing the files and throwing the guilty in jail. Funny you’re bothered because there’s not constant posts saying that. Lol

Oh not constant posts. Just strange to see you guys come out of the woodwork to reframe the evidence that's out there. Pretty strange that so many Trump staffers and friends are in these documents. We know that Bill Clinton should be turned into compost, but it's wild to see how many of Trump's staffers and friends are in these documents, wouldn't you agree?

 

[drayer54]

No, I have always maintained that on it's face it's typical corrupt politician shit. Without the financial evidence of actual realization of returns it's just run of the mill selling access. Prosecute him for it. Trump tried to find a case and couldn't. I do not care for Joe Biden's life, put him in jail, execute him, whatever man.

You haven't looked at anything that the Epstein files have contained. There's pages of details of Trump's involvement. You have Musk begging him to hang out at his wildest party! He is the White Diddy and you have a person who has direct access to Trump wanting to experience his wildest party! You have Chief of Staff to Trump, Steve Bannon, making a documentary with him! How is that ok?

What was Musks involvement with Trump in 2012? Lutnick's email is inviting him to Clinton fundraiser in 2008. We have Obama's WH counsel coordinating responses with Epstein, which on the surface and given what was allegedly known about him, much more appalling. The plot to steal money from Libya in 2011 is also bold, especially given the administration in power. I'm not saying the files aren't interesting. I'm just saying that there's nothing about Trumps involvement that looks different than Mohmdani's mother's involvement from what I can see.

Where are the goal posts here? If it's a rich powerful guy having connections to a rich powerful guy then ok.

But I think what the left wants is something that Schiff and Clinton lied about and many dems still believe that Trump is guilty of some wild illegal sexual activity. Something worth of charges or that would at least put Trump on a real hot seat? I still haven't seen anything like that. But if you've seen it.... where is it?

 

[GoIrish41]

It’s not incriminating for Trump. You want it to be. You show me credible evidence that someone was banging kids on that island and I have zero issue going after them. Question the fed chair. Question Lutnick. I’m just saying taking your family for lunch isn’t exactly a real exciting release. The NY Giants have some questions to answer. Gates has questions to answer. The whole nature of the wild Epstein claims towards the end when he was going after Trump are questionable at best without evidence, IMHO. If he had proof, he would have surfaced it to house dems. Biden era dems would have stuck it on every billboard. The logic just says it doesn’t exist, unless you just have a hatred of DT and want it to be true.

So question everyone but Trump? It’s been reported he was mentioned 13,000 times in the Epstein files, but, unlike everyone else who is mentioned, he has nothing to answer for? Do you know how sycophantic and stupid that sounds?

 

[NDVirginia19]

 

[drayer54]

So question everyone but Trump? It’s been reported he was mentioned 13,000 times in the Epstein files, but, unlike everyone else who is mentioned, he has nothing to answer for? Do you know how sycophantic and stupid that sounds?

Well, he's mentioned for what? I'm not saying he's above being asked questions. If it shows evidence of wrongdoing- ask the questions.
I'm saying we're pretending that his existing administration was intact 14 years ago and coordinating with Epstein when some of them were still working with Democrats and they had no ties at the time. You can ask anyone about their ties, but not all of them are going to be interesting.

 

[drayer54]

"referenced x times"

The later stuff is especially crazy, given Trump was in the public light basically from the elevator moment in 2015 on and Epstein clearly had an axe to grind.

 

[LifelongFan]

If Trump came out and publicly said he was a pedophile, less than a percent of his supporters would care at all. They'd still support him.

 

[LifelongFan]

Wow cool account with an anime avi in camo. So based!

No one is talking about this at all and understood from the first release that they include the schizo reports.

 

[drayer54]

If Trump came out and publicly said he was a pedophile, less than a percent of his supporters would care at all. They'd still support him.

If he was crapping his pants, clearly not capable of executing his duties, not holding cabinet meetings, and delegating the Presidency to unnamed activists with the power of the autopen, we would still support him. Wait, that was you guys.

This is nonsense. It's just hard for the left to see why we don't want in to your cult.

 

[TorontoGold]

What was Musks involvement with Trump in 2012? Lutnick's email is inviting him to Clinton fundraiser in 2008. We have Obama's WH counsel coordinating responses with Epstein, which on the surface and given what was allegedly known about him, much more appalling. The plot to steal money from Libya in 2011 is also bold, especially given the administration in power. I'm not saying the files aren't interesting. I'm just saying that there's nothing about Trumps involvement that looks different than Mohmdani's mother's involvement from what I can see.

What? Musks involvement with Trump is his recent stuff? Him begging Epstein for a visit is pretty gross, no? Is Lutnick lying about cutting off contact with Epstein not worrying to you? Or is it that because it’s a Clinton fundraiser makes it ok? Strange logic to accept his lies because he hung out with the Clintons.

I missed the part of Nira’s life where she had a resort that was used as a breeding ground for his victims. Please send me that link so I can see it.

Where are the goal posts here? If it's a rich powerful guy having connections to a rich powerful guy then ok.

Goal posts? I’ve been quite clear, you’re the one moving the discussion to other people. It is pretty bizarre that so many of Trump’s friends have spent considerable time with Epstein. Having his Chief of Staff help him to create a documentary to save his image, all while Trump is in office, doesn’t seem strange? This is all before we get into Trump’s own problematic ties to Epstein.

But I think what the left wants is something that Schiff and Clinton lied about and many dems still believe that Trump is guilty of some wild illegal sexual activity. Something worth of charges or that would at least put Trump on a real hot seat? I still haven't seen anything like that. But if you've seen it.... where is it?

So wait, we aren’t supposed to trust Epstein's emails, but now we are? I’m trying my best to keep up here. Also, gotta love that in that same email Epstein is accusing Trump of just straight up financial fraud. So if we take Epstein's position as 100% truthful, do you accept that Trump committed fraud?

 

[Irish#1]

Oh not constant posts. Just strange to see you guys come out of the woodwork to reframe the evidence that's out there. Pretty strange that so many Trump staffers and friends are in these documents. We know that Bill Clinton should be turned into compost, but it's wild to see how many of Trump's staffers and friends are in these documents, wouldn't you agree?

I’m not reframing anything and not surprised who they are or who they know. Epstein cast a wide wide net. Same consequences regardless of when they hit the news. Just keep a scorecard and we’ll review after the justice system is finished with them.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

If Trump came out and publicly said he was a pedophile, less than a percent of his supporters would care at all. They'd still support him.

Dude. Your posts sound like you were in a coma for the entire Biden presidency and just woke up in January 2025.

But let's play your game and say Trump did something with someone underage. My hope is that he would be hung from meat hooks (as all pedos should be) and we usher in President Vance for 8 years.

 

[Irish#1]

So if we take Epstein's position as 100% truthful, do you accept that Trump committed fraud?

That’s the tricky part. Given Epstein and Trump had a falling out, it can be hard to know what is true and what is sour grapes.

 

[Fbolt]

Dude. Your posts sound like you were in a coma for the entire Biden presidency and just woke up in January 2025.

But let's play your game and say Trump did something with someone underage. My hope is that he would be hung from meat hooks (as all pedos should be) and we usher in President Vance for 8 years.

Every Conservative on this board has echoed those same sentiments. LLFs unhinged posts lead me to believe he's a potential pedo himself. Wouldn't surprise me if he volunteers with kids.

 

[Irish#1]

Dude. Your posts sound like you were in a coma for the entire Biden presidency and just woke up in January 2025.

But let's play your game and say Trump did something with someone underage. My hope is that he would be hung from meat hooks (as all pedos should be) and we usher in President Vance for 8 years.

That’s the funny part of this discussion. You can agree and say hang them from the rafters and they still act like you’re supporting the pedo’s. They don’t like it when you agree with them. Lol

 

[TorontoGold]

I’m not reframing anything and not surprised who they are or who they know. Epstein cast a wide wide net. Same consequences regardless of when they hit the news. Just keep a scorecard and we’ll review after the justice system is finished with them.

It's a good thing our opinions aren't subject to whether justice system takes action or not. Otherwise, we'd be totally assured that Bill Clinton is not a sex pest, but we both share the opinion he is a reprehensible dirt bag who should thrown to woodchipper. We just deviate on Trump because now it's important to wait on the justice system?

We have emails from Musk reaching out to Epstein to hang out and we now know that Lutnick lied. Seems like pretty substantial news, no?

That’s the tricky part. Given Epstein and Trump had a falling out, it can be hard to know what is true and what is sour grapes.

That's why taking anything Epstein says is tough and in my opinion you look at the actions that those around him took. Why the fuck is Elon Musk reaching out to him in 2012, after he was known to be a pedophile? Why is Steve Bannon trying to coordinate a documentary to rehab his image in 2018?

Trump is Trump and I fault him for the company he keeps now and what their actions are. Him having Steve Bannon hanging around while trying to film a Epstein documentary is wild.

 

[GoIrish41]

Well, he's mentioned for what? I'm not saying he's above being asked questions. If it shows evidence of wrongdoing- ask the questions.
I'm saying we're pretending that his existing administration was intact 14 years ago and coordinating with Epstein when some of them were still working with Democrats and they had no ties at the time. You can ask anyone about their ties, but not all of them are going to be interesting.

The only thing remotely political about child rape is the cover-up. It is irrelevant that anyone who appears is a Republican, Democrat, theological, prince, public official, corporate tycoon, celebrity … absolutely irrelevant. There is exactly one political party that is conspiring to prevent all of this from seeing the light of day. You can spin your weak political drivel all day long. This is about full accountability for adults who raped and assaulted children. I don’t care who is implicated… only that they face the full legal consequences of their crimes.

 

[Fbolt]

Trump is Trump and I fault him for the company he keeps now and what their actions are. Him having Steve Bannon hanging around while trying to film a Epstein documentary is wild.

I find your posts worthless, and you, even more so. However, I will agree on the Bannon point. WTF?

 

[Bishop2b5]

The only thing remotely political about child rape is the cover-up. It is irrelevant that anyone who appears is a Republican, Democrat, theological, prince, public official, corporate tycoon, celebrity … absolutely irrelevant. There is exactly one political party that is conspiring to prevent all of this from seeing the light of day. You can spin your weak political drivel all day long. This is about full accountability for adults who raped and assaulted children. I don’t care who is implicated… only that they face the full legal consequences of their crimes.

It's not that I don't agree with you on this. I do, and so do all the other conservatives in her, AFAIK. The problem is that the Epstein scandal has been well known for several years and when Dems were in control of the WH, Congress, the Senate, and the Justice Department, they did nothing to just release the files and let the chips fall where they may... and you didn't have a damn thing to say about it then.

 

[LifelongFan]

There will always be a reason why MAGA can't turn on Trump. Because it's not rational, just a cult of sociopaths.

 

[drayer54]

The only thing remotely political about child rape is the cover-up. It is irrelevant that anyone who appears is a Republican, Democrat, theological, prince, public official, corporate tycoon, celebrity … absolutely irrelevant. There is exactly one political party that is conspiring to prevent all of this from seeing the light of day. You can spin your weak political drivel all day long. This is about full accountability for adults who raped and assaulted children. I don’t care who is implicated… only that they face the full legal consequences of their crimes.

Ok- get the accountability. Where’s the charges that should be filed?