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[NDVirginia19]

Is there a good summary of the findings available for the newly uploaded docs? Fuck if I'm going to sift through them.

I think the general new information is that previously redacted nations and other information is now no longer redacted, information on some of the specific structure and tactics of the CIA to gain influence over individuals, and that the CIA had way more information on Oswald's connection to the KGB than originally publicly admitted. Which is pretty much what I always suspected - the report was kept buried for so long to try to protect tradecraft and to prevent some embarassment for how much they knew about Oswald and his possible connection to the KGB

 

[ab2cmiller]

Is there a good summary of the findings available for the newly uploaded docs? Fuck if I'm going to sift through them.

I don't know. From the stuff I've read, the new stuff (basically unredacting previously redacted info) isn't earth shattering stuff. It was just stuff that the CIA preferred remain undisclosed as it shed light on some processes and procedural info that they would've preferred to have kept quiet.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Is there a good summary of the findings available for the newly uploaded docs? Fuck if I'm going to sift through them.

Trump releases classified JFK files on assassination. Here's what they say.

The release of as many as 80,000 pages of classified files comes after decades of smaller releases of redacted files.

www.usatoday.com

Decent enough for now....

More coming soon from other sources I'm sure

 

[TorontoGold]

I think the general new information is that previously redacted nations and other information is now no longer redacted, information on some of the specific structure and tactics of the CIA to gain influence over individuals, and that the CIA had way more information on Oswald's connection to the KGB than originally publicly admitted. Which is pretty much what I always suspected - the report was kept buried for so long to try to protect tradecraft and to prevent some embarassment for how much they knew about Oswald and his possible connection to the KGB

When you say how much they knew about Oswald, is this prior to the shooting they knew about his connections?

 

[Irish#1]

Is he disappointed? They said before releasing much of it was out there already. I tried reviewing some and got a headache. I hope somebody summarizes things once it's all been reviewed.

 

[Irish#1]

When you say how much they knew about Oswald, is this prior to the shooting they knew about his connections?

From the little I looked at yes. There was a part about a trip to Helsinki where he visited the Russian embassy. IIRC, that was actually in the late 50's.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

When you say how much they knew about Oswald, is this prior to the shooting they knew about his connections?

The CIA and KGB both knew about Oswald prior to him killing JFK. The KGB thought he might have been a CIA plant. The CIA thought Oswald might have been an operative based on him being allowed to stay in the USSR and marry a Soviet. It was the Cold War, any person moving between the two countries(let alone defecting) was going to be watched closely.

Oswald's "connections" to the KGB pretty much still remain that Oswald constantly wanted to help the USSR..but the KGB didn't trust him and thought he was a unstable try hard weirdo who apparently was a "bad shot".

The Soviets deny he was an operative...for whatever that's worth...the most the CIA could ever say was that maybe Oswald was some kind of sleeper agent

 

[TorontoGold]

From the little I looked at yes. There was a part about a trip to Helsinki where he visited the Russian embassy. IIRC, that was actually in the late 50's.

Back then, what was the turnaround time like for identifying and capturing/interviewing someone with KGB ties? Like today it's probably pretty immediate to have a border agent stop them at the airport. If everything is paper/memo based what kind of controls are in place to sweep them up.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

what was the turnaround time like for identifying and capturing/interviewing someone with KGB ties?

For a guy who was as well known to the intelligence community or as publicly active as Oswald? Not long. He wasn't hard to find or track..he had (very) publicly defected to the USSR(after being in the military) and at one point gave a TV interview while living in New Orleans.

He wasn't exactly laying low by 1960s standards.

 

[TorontoGold]

For a guy who was as well known to the intelligence community or as publicly active as Oswald? Not long. He wasn't hard to find or track..he had (very) publicly defected to the USSR(after being in the military) and at one point gave a TV interview while living in New Orleans.

He wasn't exactly laying low by 1960s standards.

So is it reasonable to say it's a big blunder to not have scooped him up? Like 9/11 level's of "they knew of them"?

I've watched/listened to so many 9/11 podcasts that the FBI/CIA probably have a file on me (TG - Loser, spends too much time arguing about politics, auditor who can't let things go, overall combative and generally rigid)

 

[BuaConstrictor]

So is it reasonable to say it's a big blunder to not have scooped him up?

I mean...sure?...but I think the CIA (&KGB) just viewed Oswald as this tiny insignificant person who while they need to keep tabs on just because of his oddities..isn't a threat. Obviously a miscalculation in retrospect...but nothing really nefarious about it.

had Oswald not randomly gotten a job at the Book Depository mere weeks before the parade....it's very likely none of this happens..and he ends up killing a local anti-communist leader in the Dallas area(given that he likely already tried to do so months prior).

 

[Irish#1]

Back then, what was the turnaround time like for identifying and capturing/interviewing someone with KGB ties? Like today it's probably pretty immediate to have a border agent stop them at the airport. If everything is paper/memo based what kind of controls are in place to sweep them up.

I don't know because I only read three PDF's. Not enough to get a sense of the timing. I also didn't read enough to know what the sense of urgency was with him or if they had any intel on what he was willing to do.

Each PDF I looked at was a single page, so it made it annoying to open, read, close, open, read, close.

 

[GATTACA!]

I think the general new information is that previously redacted nations and other information is now no longer redacted, information on some of the specific structure and tactics of the CIA to gain influence over individuals, and that the CIA had way more information on Oswald's connection to the KGB than originally publicly admitted. Which is pretty much what I always suspected - the report was kept buried for so long to try to protect tradecraft and to prevent some embarassment for how much they knew about Oswald and his possible connection to the KGB

I remember when this stuff came out last time looking into it and coming away with the sense that the CIA downplayed what they knew to protect the KGB. Insofar as they knew Oswald wasn't connected with them and didn't want the general public to think the KGB just assassinated the president. IIRC right after the shooting the Russians reached out sending condolences and making it clear they had nothing to do with it. Russia rang their church bells for JFK. Denounced Oswald and said he wasn't welcome there.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Unfortunately, the majority of the people who will spend the time to make deep in depth analysis of the documents in a easily digestible format like a YouTube video are probably schizos who think Mossad did it or George HW Bush did it lol

 

[NDVirginia19]

 

[Irish#1]

This is what you're dealing with.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

So is it reasonable to say it's a big blunder to not have scooped him up? Like 9/11 level's of "they knew of them"?

I've watched/listened to so many 9/11 podcasts that the FBI/CIA probably have a file on me (TG - Loser, spends too much time arguing about politics, auditor who can't let things go, overall combative and generally rigid)

If you have a free hour and a half.

His Jack the Ripper episode is great as well.

 

[Irish#1]

A memo dated June 1967 details how a former US Army intelligence officer, Gary Underhill, fled Washington, DC, “very agitated” the day after Kennedy was shot — and spoke with a friend about how a “small clique within the CIA” was behind the assassination, six months before he was found dead in his apartment.
“The day after the assassination, Gary Underhill left Washington in a hurry. Late in the evening, he showed up at the home of a friend in New Jersey.

“He was very agitated. A small clique within the CIA was responsible for the assassination, he confided, and he was afraid for his life and probably would have to leave the country,” the memo reads.

“Less than six months later Underhill was found shot to death in his Washington apartment. The coroner ruled it a suicide.” Underhill’s suicide was also called into question since he had been found with a gunshot wound behind his left ear, but Asher Brynes, his writing partner who found his body, said, “Underhill was right-handed.”

Oswald tried to establish himself with the KGB but they thought he was a little nutty. Along with the Helsinki visit, he also visited the Russian embassy in Mexico City trying to establish himself. Some believe he acted on his own to win favor with his Russian wife. He felt if he pulled of the assassination, the KGB would accept him thus pleasing his wife. The KGB noted that Oswald was a terrible shot which contributes to the theory that he wasn't acting alone.

 

[GATTACA!]

This is what you're dealing with.
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[GATTACA!]

If you have a free hour and a half.

His Jack the Ripper episode is great as well.

One of the best YouTube channels around. Wish he uploaded more frequently.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

One of the best YouTube channels around. Wish he uploaded more frequently.

He's gotta be due for one sometime soon. Maybe this summer?

 

[drayer54]

This is the EO Biden supposedly had no knowledge of when asked by Speaker Johnson. Reminder of the transparency one can expect from the Democrats who pushed their agenda over all else.

In other news- Angry White Female Liberals are nuts.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

This is the EO Biden supposedly had no knowledge of when asked by Speaker Johnson. Reminder of the transparency one can expect from the Democrats who pushed their agenda over all else.

In other news- Angry White Female Liberals are nuts.

In other news angry white men are uneducated idiots

 

[GATTACA!]

He's gotta be due for one sometime soon. Maybe this summer?

Yeah hopefully. Especially since his last one wasn’t a very serious topic.

 

[Sea Turtle]

He's probably thinking back to his days with Monica.

Being stuck with Hillary must seem hopeless.

Just remember, Bill, the lobsters in the tank on the titanic felt things were pretty hopeless too.

 

[NDVirginia19]

What a fucking clown lol

 

[Bishop2b5]

What a fucking clown lol

He's a lot more interested in virtue signaling than what's good for his state and its people.

 

[TorontoGold]

lol it makes up around ~0.2% of the total AUM. The pearl clutching over "his people" is emotional and not based in any sound logic. If the Governor was making policy decisions based off what was good for ~0.2% of the State's AUM it would just be an oligarchy.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

lol it makes up around ~0.2% of the total AUM. The pearl clutching over "his people" is emotional and not based in any sound logic. If the Governor was making policy decisions based off what was good for ~0.2% of the State's AUM it would just be an oligarchy.

Careful..you're doing math...you'll confuse bishop.

 

[TorontoGold]

Careful..you're doing math...you'll confuse bishop.

When it comes to economics, finance, budgeting etc. I know he's not going to provide any sort of analysis.