ND- OSU post game thread

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This is a good point to bring up. It shouldn’t have even been this close down the stretch. We fuckered important opportunities early to distance ourselves. Then completely botched the end of the game to put it away.
Absolutely. Makes me roll my eyes when people try to point at one play. It was a cumulative failure from multiple aspects. Now learn from it, grow as a team, and finish the season with pride. This is the type of loss that can galvanize a team and light a fire under them.
 

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I believe harper did notice. He put his hands out like he was confused and there was some back and forth with the backer near him.

Freeman probably realized it too late AFTER they had the chance to substitute, if at all. The stadium was so loud at that point that there literally no way to communicate anything, especially in the heat of the moment to decide the game.

I say this as someone who got his heart ripped out third row in that endzone.

At least that’s good to hear.
 

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Yeah there’s a lot more to it than simply “how does this happen?”

The real question is how do we come out of a timeout the play before with only ten guys?!

Right I agree. I was saying it’s good to hear there was a crowd noise.
 

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Lol bro come on. They scored 16 points with some of the best skill talent in the country. Golden was happy to bend but not break all night. Please don’t ever mention BVG as a comparison to Golden. He had these guys ready to play last night. I know you’re a good dude but seeing that guy mentioned gives me PTSD
Calm down. I’m specifically talking about the final drive when OSU went right down the field when ND looked to be in position to win. Just like in Stanford in 2015. I literally had friends congratulating ND on the win via text before the final drive & cussed them for assuming a win that year so maybe it’s PTSD from the moment.Sure enough. Just like last night when the QB we were told lacked the moxie & experience to win under the big lights at ND stadium threw an absolute dart to the one yard line. Before that he had WR running wide open. So to be clear, that final drive was Van Gorder-esque in real time.

Overall, I agree Golden did a decent job calling the D. But predictably their inexperienced QB never had the “deer in the headlights” look and was rarely, if ever; in duress back there in the pocket. When he was he was able to get out of it save the intentional grounding and the one sack.
 

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Right I agree. I was saying it’s good to hear there was a crowd noise.
I don't know what it felt like in the stadium but watching on TV that was definitely a big loud home game. For all the fretting beforehand (and an hour before kickoff) about Ohio State "taking over" the stadium.
 

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I don't know what it felt like in the stadium but watching on TV that was definitely a big loud home game. For all the fretting beforehand (and an hour before kickoff) about Ohio State "taking over" the stadium.
I’m 31 and been to every big home game besides Bush Push and that was by far the best environment we’ve ever had. I have no idea how it came across on tv (especially with NBC’s intention to mute crowd noise). It was truly insane and LOUD.
 

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That 3rd and 19, yeesh.

Idk how you let Egbuka get that open with the coverage we had and only rushing 3.

The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that with no OSU timeouts and 15s left, staff chose to give up the field short of the end zone, forgetting the clock would stop after a first down inside of 2 minutes. But that’s really grasping at straws.

Either way, inexcusable. I’ve watched the 3rd and 19 twenty+ times and I still have no idea what Thomas Harper is doing on that play.
 

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The team and Freeman are trending in the right direction.
How many heartbreakers did Kirby endure before finally breaking through at UGA?

I believe in Freeman.

I believe in his ability to recruit and get the energy up but I am not sold in him as a head coach right now.

It’s is not making the right decisions but flat out lying and his explanations in the press conferences. He lied last night he didn’t know there were only 10 people on the field. Since OSU had subbed in we get the opportunity too.

I haven’t given up on him but he needs to fix this shit.
 

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That 3rd and 19, yeesh.

Idk how you let Egbuka get that open with the coverage we had and only rushing 3.

The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that with no OSU timeouts and 15s left, staff chose to give up the field short of the end zone, forgetting the clock would stop after a first down inside of 2 minutes. But that’s really grasping at straws.

Either way, inexcusable. I’ve watched the 3rd and 19 twenty+ times and I still have no idea what Thomas Harper is doing on that play.
I can’t re watch, Henderson looked lost too (is that accurate) … almost like they were expecting a Hail Mary last play jump ball, ridiculous
 

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That 3rd and 19, yeesh.

Idk how you let Egbuka get that open with the coverage we had and only rushing 3.

The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that with no OSU timeouts and 15s left, staff chose to give up the field short of the end zone, forgetting the clock would stop after a first down inside of 2 minutes. But that’s really grasping at straws.

Either way, inexcusable. I’ve watched the 3rd and 19 twenty+ times and I still have no idea what Thomas Harper is doing on that play.

Even worse, they defended the end zone. It was almost like the defensive coordinator didn't know that they could get a first down...

Al Golden sucks.
 

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Is it me or does love run too high
He does, but he needs to eat, maybe at the expense of Estime. His speed is electric, but more importantly he gets the ball and hits it hard. If a hole is not there he just runs into any little crease he can see and keeps going forward until another little crease opens. Estimeis awesome but he pussy foots around too much when the hole isnt there, and he rarely sees the cutback lane. He had a couple plays for no gain when a jump cut back to his right at the handoff and he had lots of daylight. Nobody in his face or the backfield, he just want left where the line was stonewalled Nd nothing was opened up.

Love is a homerun waiting to happen on every play. A lot like AP, just not as thick.
 

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Just saw state

McCord was 10-13 on third down for 155 yds and 9 first downs… vast majority of them were more than 5 yards obviously

That’s on golden and Washington and can not happen especially with inexperienced qb. It’s like we change it up on d without ever coaching the change up. Our zones looked like our players had no clue, but we were tough in man
 

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Obviously freeman isn’t making any in season personnel changes after the game, but the media better ask freeman Monday what he’s changing structurally so that never happens again
He's not going to give a specific answer because it would point the finger at a specific person if the ball gets dropped down the line, and if one thing has been clear in the year-plus of MF, it's that he's going to take the blame and the responsibility because he believes as head coach it's ultimately on him, even if someone else is more directly responsible. His response last night was "that's on me" and you can take that or leave it. He's not going to give an answer that doesn't put himself in the line of fire first.
 

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I believe harper did notice. He put his hands out like he was confused and there was some back and forth with the backer near him.

Freeman probably realized it too late AFTER they had the chance to substitute, if at all. The stadium was so loud at that point that there literally no way to communicate anything, especially in the heat of the moment to decide the game.

I say this as someone who got his heart ripped out third row in that endzone.
If Harper does notice he absolutely has an obligation to just run across the line of scrimmage presnap and make contact with somebody to take the penalty and get another guy on the field.

If what MF says about knowimg is accurate, i get his reasoning from not running a guy on. If they snap it and a flag comes out but play isnt blown dead even if we stop them they get another chance. If we dont stop them game over. Without a guarantee the play would be blow dead i dont know how you make that call other than not getting caught in that position in the first place.
 

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He's not going to give a specific answer because it would point the finger at a specific person if the ball gets dropped down the line, and if one thing has been clear in the year-plus of MF, it's that he's going to take the blame and the responsibility because he believes as head coach it's ultimately on him, even if someone else is more directly responsible. His response last night was "that's on me" and you can take that or leave it. He's not going to give an answer that doesn't put himself in the line of fire first.
Lol he didn’t even know what to be responsible for yet last night they were so clueless

Also, I didn’t say he would answer directly, but It needs to be asked
 

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If Harper does notice he absolutely has an obligation to just run across the line of scrimmage presnap and make contact with somebody to take the penalty and get another guy on the field.

If what MF says about knowimg is accurate, i get his reasoning from not running a guy on. If they snap it and a flag comes out but play isnt blown dead even if we stop them they get another chance. If we dont stop them game over. Without a guarantee the play would be blow dead i dont know how you make that call other than not getting caught in that position in the first place.
They didn’t know until super late, Ohio state substituted and nd had 37 seconds to get someone on… remember we had 10 only on also play before and nd didn’t know then

Betrand is suppose to be so good at getting us lined up. He and watts were responsible for long td run and he had other missed tackles, if he can’t get nd lined up then why is he out there, it’s not to make solo tackles. In reality he made a few good plays but just isn’t that good
 
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If Harper does notice he absolutely has an obligation to just run across the line of scrimmage presnap and make contact with somebody to take the penalty and get another guy on the field.

If what MF says about knowimg is accurate, i get his reasoning from not running a guy on. If they snap it and a flag comes out but play isnt blown dead even if we stop them they get another chance. If we dont stop them game over. Without a guarantee the play would be blow dead i dont know how you make that call other than not getting caught in that position in the first place.
Harper is a veteran - and you might also think Cross would’ve noticed there was nobody to his right? - but it’s a lot to expect a player to make that move in that situation.
 

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I can't understand people upset at Golden at all. Held them to 17 points and they had to earn every inch, and that's without any turnovers.

We have two NFL tackles, star QB and RBs and put up 14. It's on the offense, guys.

If you offered anyone in the country 17 points for this OSU team every one in the country takes it, Georgia included.
 

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Lol he didn’t even know what to be responsible for yet last night they were so clueless

Also, I didn’t say he would answer directly, but It needs to be asked
He was asked about the 10 men. He said he knew and he told his guys to stay off and just go with the 10. He's telling you he's responsible for it. That's his answer. Not sure how else to spell it out for you.
 

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Had to work and was going to watch this morning but accidentally so the score the. Read up about it. So disappointed that it sounded like they had every opportunity to win and pissed it away. Same shit different big game.


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He was asked about the 10 men. He said he knew and he told his guys to stay off and just go with the 10. He's telling you he's responsible for it. That's his answer. Not sure how else to spell it out for you.
His explanation was total BS. Makes no sense when you consider it happened on consecutive plays, after a TO.

We are talking about shocking levels of coaching incompetence folks.
 

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I can't understand people upset at Golden at all. Held them to 17 points and they had to earn every inch, and that's without any turnovers.

We have two NFL tackles, star QB and RBs and put up 14. It's on the offense, guys.

If you offered anyone in the country 17 points for this OSU team every one in the country takes it, Georgia included.
Our defense played great until the last possession. And really just two plays of it. Normally we would have no business scoring only 14 points and beating Ohio State but we were one missing DL away from doing just that.
 

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He’s taking the heat for his coaches and not kicking anyone under the bus. His explanation doesn’t make sense and he’s taking the arrows for whoever screwed up by taking full responsibility and accountability. Of course he’s pissed but he’s doing exactly what a leader should do. BK would’ve been on the lifeboat like that Italian cruise ship captain while his ship was sinking
 

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His explanation was total BS. Makes no sense when you consider it happened on consecutive plays, after a TO.

We are talking about shocking levels of coaching incompetence folks.

He knows someone is at fault but isn't throwing them under the bus so he's taking the line of fire on himself.

Someone f'd up and should have noticed it from the booth upstairs but Marcus isn't going to throw his DC, DL coach, defensive analyst, or grad assistant to the wolves. He's being a leader for his staff. But someone is going to get chewed out about it later behind closed doors.
 

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His explanation was total BS. Makes no sense when you consider it happened on consecutive plays, after a TO.

We are talking about shocking levels of coaching incompetence folks.
You can take or leave the explanation, but it's not going to change. His explanation for not running the 11th out there when they realized the problem makes sense (you don't have to agree with it, but that doesn't change that it makes sense, OSU would get two plays from the 1 or less versus 1 play and he likes the odds of stopping them once instead of twice). It doesn't explain sending 10 out there out of the timeout, but his response there is going to be the same, he's the head coach and it's ultimately on him.
 
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