Mike Golic admits to using steroids

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ESPN's Mike Golic on Steroids: 'I Used Them and It Was Wrong'

ESPN's Mike Golic on Steroids: 'I Used Them and It Was Wrong' - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog

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Who told him to put the balm on? I didn't tell him to put the balm on. Do you know what a balm does? Nobody knows what a balm does.
 

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I'm not really sure what to think about that. It doesn't matter much, he didn't break any records, and he wasn't really an all-star (right?).
 

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For three or four weeks when he was rehabbing a shoulder injury.

Thanks. I was actually wondering whether it was in college or the pros, but I went and read the article.
 

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Damn Maestro.


And if anyone is looking, I have a place for rent in Tuscany.
 

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ummmm, this is not new (or news)

I have been listening to Mike & Mike for years and he has mentioned this before...and (unlike some guys) his story remains the same each time he tells it

he admits to using them coming off shoulder surgery for a couple of months to get himself back to working out before spring practices

he admits that it was wrong, he shouldn't have done it, and has told the story to his kids as well as what NOT to do

If nothing else, I give him respect for owning up to it, even if it was only for a brief time
 

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ummmm, this is not new (or news)

I have been listening to Mike & Mike for years and he has mentioned this before...and (unlike some guys) his story remains the same each time he tells it

he admits to using them coming off shoulder surgery for a couple of months to get himself back to working out before spring practices

he admits that it was wrong, he shouldn't have done it, and has told the story to his kids as well as what NOT to do

If nothing else, I give him respect for owning up to it, even if it was only for a brief time

Someone else who cheated to get by.
 

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Yet the public clamors for gladiators to perform for their viewing pleasure week in and week out. In pro football, these guys experience the effect of a car crash several times a game, for 16 weeks, plus preseason. How can they heal if they don't get medicated?

Overuse of anything is the extreme case.

Maybe they should drug test every athlete in every sport before every game, every race. Just to level things off...

Speaking of Barry Bonds (lol) 'aint no drug in the world gonna help a batter improve his hand/eye coordination enough to become a better hitter. Bonds hit every home run because he was able to apply his bat to the ball. I don't think the guy should go to prison. Publicly scold him for possible fibbing a bit (if they can prove it) but otherwise, possible prison sentence? Gimme a break.
 

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I don't think the guy should go to prison. Publicly scold him for possible fibbing a bit (if they can prove it) but otherwise, possible prison sentence? Gimme a break.

He's not being prosecuted for "fibbing" ie. telling a lie. He's being prosecuted for telling a lie under oath; an oath that says he swears to tell the truth subject to the laws on perjury. And for obstructing justice by lying.

Imagine you get fired from a job. You depose witnesses and each and every one of them lies under oath and you lose your case. Is "fibbing" under oath really that harmless then? You can feel that way if you wish, but I guarantee if you ever lose a legal case because a witness refuses to tell the truth you will never forget it.

All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. (not mine, Stoney's the sage here)
 
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...All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. (not mine, Stoney's the sage here)

A great quote, but that assumes in this case that vendetta seekers are the good men. Should a man who otherwise lived a clean (no pun) life go to prison for saying "No I didn't?" Does the punishment fit the crime? Why is congress even involved in this for CHRISSAKE? Don't they have better things to do, like fix true crime?

Can of worms here.
 

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A great quote, but that assumes in this case that vendetta seekers are the good men.

Can of worms here.

I didn't mean the prosecutors were good men. I meant that if we as a society say perjury is ok because it just involved steroids and baseball, we're condoning evil and it will become more pervasive.

Regardless of the motives of those prosecuting Barry, no one forced him or baited him into lying under oath. They gave him complete immunity for any illegal consumption of steroids. If they had a vendetta, they never would had him testify and they would be going after him for taking the steroids.

Yes it is a can of worms in that people will have all sorts of opinions.

But I promise you, if you ever are the victim of a crime, the victim of a tort, have a party breach a contract on you, or get fired from a job, you will understand the seriousness of people telling the truth under oath. People lying, hiding or destroying evidence has a fundamental affect on whether our society can function.

Alright, I'm done on the soapbox.
 

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Regardless of the motives of those prosecuting Barry, no one forced him or baited him into lying under oath. They gave him complete immunity for any illegal consumption of steroids. If they had a vendetta, they never would had him testify and they would be going after him for taking the steroids..


They forced him into it by getting involved in the first place. Did they put the commisioner on the stand? The "so-called" good men here chose to pick on one random baseball player instead of tackling the blatant crap going on around them.

...But I promise you, if you ever are the victim of a crime, the victim of a tort, have a party breach a contract on you, or get fired from a job, you will understand the seriousness of people telling the truth under oath. People lying, hiding or destroying evidence has a fundamental affect on whether our society can function.

Agree totally, but even with that said, I know that good men can be bought or fooled or scared by a bigger force of evil in cahoots.
 

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They forced him into it by getting involved in the first place. Did they put the commisioner on the stand? The "so-called" good men here chose to pick on one random baseball player instead of tackling the blatant crap going on around them.

You are free to have your view, but do you even know the basis for Bonds' indictment, the case he was testifying in, and what penalty there would have been if he admitted taking steroids??

This was the Victor Conte/Balco investigation, not an investigation into baseball and steroids. He was called to testify because "Barry B" was all over documents confiscated by the investigators.

Pick on one guy? Do you know how many people went to jail in connection with Balco?

He wasn't the only person to testify. Numerous baseball players and athletes from other sports testified, such as Jason Giambi, Gary Sheffield, Marion Jones, and many many others. There's no reason the commissioner would testify in a case about illegal distribution of steroids by Conte/Balco. This has nothing to do with steroids in baseball!

They did not force him to lie under oath. They gave him total immunity! If he admitted to taking steroids, there's nothing they could have done with his testimony. The only way the transcript would ever become public was if he lied, and they decided to prosecute him for perjury.

And did you read what I wrote? I said I was not calling the prosecutors the good men. Why do you insist on referring to them as "good men" when I clearly did not give them such a reference?
 
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Bond's is a cheater, a liar, and self important. He made his bed, and now he'll sleep in it. If he had been honest, he would have been granted immunity.
Given his big head (luv my double entendre??), and deep pockets.....he will fight this to the end....and end up w/ kitchen duty next to some loser named INeverTellTheTruth.
 

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Bond's is a cheater, a liar, and self important. He made his bed, and now he'll sleep in it. If he had been honest, he would have been granted immunity.
Given his big head (luv my double entendre??), and deep pockets.....he will fight this to the end....and end up w/ kitchen duty next to some loser named INeverTellTheTruth.

Could be right. I haven't followed the story enough. But I woke up today to see the story that Bonds was indicted, and I actually felt sad.

As an ignorant fan, I was more excited about his accomplishment than I was concerned about the charges against him.

Innocent until proven guilty is the term that comes into my head here.

Geez. Put malicious criminals and those that lie for them in jail.

Hell, what do I know... Trust me, I KNOW very, very little.

But I'm listening. (Ya here me Sage? I'm listening...)

I also read one or two of ITELLTRUTH posts. He wasn't that bad, but got booted. I kinda thought he brought up points to discuss.

Good for a forum.

Why take it so seriously?
 

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You are free to have your view, but do you even know the basis for Bonds' indictment, the case he was testifying in, and what penalty there would have been if he admitted taking steroids?

No. I have an idea, but it didn't bother me enough to waste any of my time on it.

This was the Victor Conte/Balco investigation, not an investigation into baseball and steroids. He was called to testify because "Barry B" was all over documents confiscated by the investigators.

Pick on one guy? Do you know how many people went to jail in connection with Balco?

He wasn't the only person to testify. Numerous baseball players and athletes from other sports testified, such as Jason Giambi, Gary Sheffield, Marion Jones, and many many others. There's no reason the commissioner would testify in a case about illegal distribution of steroids by Conte/Balco. This has nothing to do with steroids in baseball!

They did not force him to lie under oath. They gave him total immunity! If he admitted to taking steroids, there's nothing they could have done with his testimony. The only way the transcript would ever become public was if he lied, and they decided to prosecute him for perjury.

And did you read what I wrote? I said I was not calling the prosecutors the good men. Why do you insist on referring to them as "good men" when I clearly did not give them such a reference?


Bit touchy. On this thread I have never called a prosecuter a good man, or "the good men".

You did that.

Why is congress involved? Why hasn't the U.S caught the biggest criminal?

But hey, lets pick on someone else, to distract the world for our incompetence.
 

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On this thread I have never called a prosecuter a good man, or "the good men".

You did that.

Yes you did. See below

They forced him into it by getting involved in the first place. Did they put the commisioner on the stand? The "so-called" good men here chose to pick on one random baseball player instead of tackling the blatant crap going on around them.

Who are "they" that you're referring to? The "they" that you refer to are the US attorneys (prosecutors) who called him before the grand jury. The "good men" you refer to are the US attorneys (prosecutors) who filed the indictment for perjury and obstruction.

Please show me where I called the prosecutors the good guys.

All I said was, "all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." That's a statement in general, not about this case. It is a general maxim that implores good people not to ignore evil because they think it doesn't affect their daily living, or they have an "i'm ok, you're ok" philosophy.

If you don't care that he commit perjury, that's up to you. Congress isn't involved except when they codified perjury as a crime. Remember, this isn't about steroids per se, it's about him lying under oath.

I like you to Wham. Sorry about the exclamation points. I enjoy a good dialogue (arguments, not to be confused with arguing).

One last point:
Agree totally, but even with that said, I know that good men can be bought or fooled or scared by a bigger force of evil in cahoots.

If they were truly good men, they couldn't be bought. If they could be bought, the'd be bad men. Alright. We interrupt this discussion to return back to ND Football.
 
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